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hello my name is Will Spencer and welcome to the will Spencer podcast this is a weekly Show featuring in-depth

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conversations with authors leaders and influencers who help us understand our changing World new episodes release

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every Friday okay everyone buckle up for the finale this is the third and final episode of my three-part series which I

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recorded at the 2024 cross politic fight laugh Feast conference in late October

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that conference was just over a month ago now right before the presidential election and following that kind of big

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deal it almost feels like we couldn't be living in a more different world from back then if you've been tracking this

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series the first episode featured Isaac Bodkin from T-Rex arms and Logan Riser

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from krux glass and the second episode featured a full hour with the legendary Dr James White plus Jim hunter from

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alp's precious group now we're about to go somewhere entirely unexpected this

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final episode features three fascinating men I encountered at the conference each with a story that will help you think in

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new ways about topics like evangelism cultural engagement and Christian leadership first up is Andrew bourman a

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missionary farmer without your typical missionary story imagine walking away from everything comfortable to live

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among a native tribe in a remote Mexican Village Andrew didn't just move there he became part of the community navigating

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a landscape of paganism violence and crushing poverty his tale of earning trust learning culture and ultimately

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preaching the gospel is going to open your eyes we're talking about real world spiritual warfare where every

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conversation could mean the difference between connection and rejection then and this is where it gets even more

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interesting I talk to his son Samuel picture this day two of the conference

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this young man walks up to me hands me his book entitled of wizards and warriors a tale of Enya and with total

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confidence he asks to be on the show not timidly not apologetically but with the

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kind of boldness that makes you take notice I'll be honest I was so impressed that I had to say yes and here's the

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description of Samuel's Book quote Stout had everything he could want parents a

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good home and a safe life then one day everything changed the armies of an evil

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wizard named culo destroyed Stout's home and killed his parents Stout joins the

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Forgotten order of the kns of light and trains to take on the quest of destroying culo end quote and my

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conversation with Samuel was easily one of the most memorable of my entire weekend Samuel represents something I'm

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passionate about a generation learning to speak up to ask for what they want with a mixture of humility and genuine

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confidence in their work now if those sound like contradictions believe me they're not this is the kind of young

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leadership our culture needs today and for the finale I sit down with Parker Brown a husband Father video producer

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and host of what might be the most Innovative podcast I've discovered this year the watch well podcast this isn't

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just another movie review show this is deep cultural analysis of film through a Christian lens Parker does something

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unique in modern Christian apologetics he takes our favorite movies and asks the dangerous question what are these

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storytellers actually teaching Us in the process he reveals how incoherent their worldviews are for example take my

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recent appearance on his show to talk about Guardians of the Galaxy 2 an episode which should be out the same day

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as this podcast you can check for a link in the show notes now on the surface Guardians 2 is just another Marvel movie

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but I think it's actually one of the most profound meditations on Father hunger in modern pop culture and these

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are the topics that I think really matter for men today the ones that make you see familiar things in completely

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new ways so I hope that by this time next year watch well makes onto your top

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five on Spotify and that will conclude this series I hope you've gotten a feel for the conference and a glimpse of the

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extraordinary caliber of the men gathered there as I said in episode one I was blown away by fight laugh feast in

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general and got way more than I bargained for in the best ways possible thanks to Gabe Toby Knox and the whole

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team for making something truly special needed and fun now friends we're not

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because this isn't about entertainment anymore this is economic Warfare in service of the kingdom and please

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welcome this week's guest on the podcast the missionary farmer Andrew bourman his son the author Samuel and from the

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watchwellcast which you need to be listening to Parker

Andrew Bornman

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Brown Andrew thanks for sitting down for the podcast we just had the chance to meet a moment ago and you getting into

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telling me some of your missionary work down in Mexico so maybe just introduce yourself and talk a little bit about

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about what you're doing and what brings you to fight La Feast yes um my name is Andrew bourman I have missionary

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farmer.com I'm a farm boy that grew up

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and God called me the mission field um when I heard about the Tada Indians in

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Mexico and the fact that there's a terrible problem with childhood malnutrition high high death rate in

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children currently somewhere in the neighborhood a 30% of children do not make it to age five oh wow um

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and less than 1% of the population are genuine Christian Believers okay and I

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said oh my God how could I mean I I turn around I look at my kids and I'm praying

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saying God how in the world could I live without one of my two children we now are blessed with four but at the time we

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had two so that was 2003 uh moved my family in Mexico in 2005 and quickly learned that knowing

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how to grow food and store food preserve food is not what was actually needed

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what was needed is to to solve the problem is transforming hearts and Minds

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through the gospel oh interesting so so talk a little bit about that how did how

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did you discover that that was the particular problem not the food itself it seem that malnutrition you give

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people food yeah but there's more to it there's a lot more to it uh I think the

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thing that really helped me understand what was going on was seeing the enormous quantities of food that are

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produced in the region and then shortly months after harvest

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people are hungry interesting and so the majority of the food produced does not

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end up being utilized to feed humans so you have entire Orchards that have been

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planted in the past and the fruit lays on the ground and rots okay as I was talking with one guy

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I said so it's kind of like you eat apples and peaches in season until

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you're sick to the stomach and a couple months later you do about anything to get an Apple yeah okay

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okay that's how it is and so that's and it's not like they don't have Tech low

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Tech solutions for preserving food anybody in a dry climate can easily dry food like with almost zero

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effort and so it's it's not about it's not primarily about ignorance

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ignorance is a factor but it's primarily about values and whether you believe

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that there will be a tomorrow do I have reason to be confident the Sun is going to come up do I have a reason to be

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confident that the rains will come when they usually come and if you have a pagan worldview

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and you believe as the taramar people do that their religious worship sustains

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God God is Not self- sustaining God is dependent on their sacrifices and their worships wow worship to continue to

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sustain the world so it's this circle this C circular thinking that they are

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dependent on a God who is dependent on

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them okay so I I I understand the worldview how do they believe their own

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sacrifices support God and what would happen if they stopped sacrif the world would cease they they believe that the

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whole world would stop if they stop Texas to know what they're sacrificing

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uh goats usually uh and corn beer cornmeal corn beer corn beer yes so like

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the central feature of the society is this Gathering it's like a a drinking

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Network it's the cohesive force in the in the society where you get together with your extended network of

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relationships and you pre you dance prayers they're danced Outdoors so that the Sun and Moon can see the dance okay

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because the Moon is Father God uh the Moon is Mother God and the Sun is Father God okay yeah very yeah okay so it's

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very typical paganism right um and their

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offerings uh nourish the gods that's really interesting because

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and so you sitting here in Texas owe your life to their acts of worship that

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is how they see it really and so but if they're starving to death

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because they don't preserve enough food are like is the whole world just going to

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stop well I didn't think that far ahead so this is well so you see how it's it's it's a worldview that has no future

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correct well no future without maybe it's maybe maybe God will hear maybe God

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will send the rain maybe we'll keep scraping by okay and so to come in saying I serve a good god yes yes who

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has pre promised rain and harvest until the end of time yes okay

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that is just a mindblowing difference yes that that

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God is abundant in himself and is not reliant on us to sustain him that's

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right that's so interesting because I've been thinking uh I can't remember the context I was thinking about but I was thinking about the human sacrifice of

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the of the Aztecs sure you know thousands and thousands and thousands right I had never considered that

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possibly one of the theological ideas behind it is that human blood is

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actually required to sustain the Gods Not merely to appease them but to sustain them no it's not it's it's about

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sustaining that's wild that's why so God is dependent on his

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creation what an ultimate what an ultimate idolatry of self yes right and

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and it's particularly disturbing that that thought ma have had over 400 years

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of contact with Christianity in the form of Catholicism okay yeah well um since

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the 1940s we've had Evangelical missionaries uh Protestant missionaries in the area okay and yet we still have a

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very very small percentage of the population is converted and we have a

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larger percentage of the population who have converted to heresies okay so you

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have Oneness Pentecost ISM like Jesus only yeah um a lot of uh Prosperity

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Gospel even more damaging yeah these are destructive things these do not build

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the kingdom of God they do not produce human flourishing yes um and the true

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gospel does produce human flourishing so if you've as you've taken these ideas down to them what has the

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response been among these communities that you're you're uh a missionary to so

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mostly indifference really yes mostly indifference

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um they are very suspicious of Outsiders so I've um

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like more so than any other people I've dealt with I've traveled quite a bit um

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I've never met people who are so close to Outsiders but praise God we've gotten

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past that through acts of service through being good good neighbors through saving lives physically that

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sort of thing and people start to say this is different and I had an

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opportunity we were at a funeral party for one of our neighbors wives and women their funerals take uh

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four years to complete their funerals take four years to complete yeah how long do men's funerals take three years

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this is interesting why so long and why the difference well women walk slower

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than men so it takes some long to reach their afterlife destination

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they have to walk there yes which way is it we don't know that's not a question I

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know how to answer exactly yes is the answer and I think if you asked that question people would just kind of look

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at you like are you dumb yes I might actually be so okay so

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I was at this party and so you get together and you drink uh the home brw

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Cordon beard corn beer okay and that is the key entry into the society is to be

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a drinking and joking friend with someone okay that makes sense um and if you reject that you have chopped off the

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possibility of relationship sure and so the T totaling missionaries who've

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preceded me cut themselves off from the culture by refusing to drink with the

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people oh because if if I offer you a bowl of a gourd full of corn beer and

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you say no it's like refusing to say shake in somebody's refusing to shake an

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American's hand and spitting in his face sure like you've just destroyed the possibility of

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relationship but they drink with the goal of becoming drunk and reaching communion with the spirit realm yes okay

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very common and so I maintain the

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biblical uh doctrine that drunkenness is sin right right and so when my friends

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offer me corn beer I say thank you and then I return a gourd full to

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them you're dipping out of a 5 gallon bucket okay and the flavor can range from something like water kefir like to

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unmentionably bad yes home brew um

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and about the third or fourth gourd that they forgive me I say thank you I've had

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enough and they might press again but people that know me no longer press yes

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and I and I and I say it would be shameful and Disobedience to my God if I

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become drunk okay I cannot do that um my God

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says that's wrong mhm and people have always accepted that

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yeah that makes sense yeah uh the mission other other missionaries say don't go to these events because it's

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dangerous well yeah it's dangerous you're hanging out with 40 people drunk

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out of their minds crazy stuff happens communing with Spirits uh yes yeah

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communing with Spirits a crazy stuff happens okay so have some situational

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awareness say the Ambiance of this Gathering is turning ugly hey guys I've

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got some work I got to go got to go yeah exactly it's it's really easy

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um well sort of does violence break out or uh murder is common murder is common

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okay rape is common uh incest is common okay I mean it's it's a ugly it's a ugly

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Pagan Gathering what do you expect sure okay I mean these are people without God

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yes and so I was at this a party um about a just over a year ago year and a

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half ago now I suppose with my neighbors uh the second funeral party it's you

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have a party on the the anniversary of the death mhm and my neighbor one of my

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neighbors he's a big guy leans over me I'm sitting down and he says tell me why

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are you really here okay and I had this fear come over

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me yeah like I am scared out of my wits sure you can feel it

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the guy's somewhat aggressive everybody's drunk what are you really here for you want land you want women oh

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okay what are you trying to get and I said no actually I'm here because I want

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you to know God I'm here to help you produce more food and the moment I was

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truthful about why I'm here the entire environment changed

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spiritually okay the host of the party they'd been playing a game where you

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toss a uh you toss a little metal piece at a a hole in the ground okay um

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they've been playing the game game ended the host goes and pulls out some

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chairs and we sit around the fire and we talk theology for two hours really we had the uh a a rising

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Shaman there as a Young Man brother-in-law to the man who asked me why are you really

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here and he opened up he shared his theology with me I shared my theology

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with him and it was such an incredible

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opportunity and it was it was powerful right and I gained insight into some of

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why they do the things they do and I've reached the conclusion that

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as you know one of them said something about how Christians often say hurtful things about them being pagans and

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hating God and yeah it's it's true and

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and at the same time they genuinely want

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to reach the Creator and they do not know how and the church has often placed obstacles in

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their path by refusing Fellowship Fair yeah and so by

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being willing to get sick as a dog drinking stuff that wasn't very good

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like I mean you don't have to get sick if it's bacterially contaminated you're yeah you get sick that's right you're

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not drunk but sick which is different that's right there's two things that are very different one's sin one's not yes

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they're both miserable that's right but and if but you have to be willing to

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hang out with people that have TB like TB is endemic tuberculosis sure

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so yes you risk your life violence disease but is it not worth it did

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Christ not lay down his life for you that's right

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so I as I tell my kids go conquer the world yes go conquer the world you know

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that's World Dominion is what Christ came for to bring it that everything would be placed in subjection to Christ

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MH um including forgotten little Villages up in the mountains of

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Mexico how long into your time there before that you were playing that

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game where they said how why are you really here how long had you been there when that happened so that happened I

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think that happened in 2023 2022 mhm and those people

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had known of me since 2009 I had been their neighbor since 200 14 so you'd

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been there for seven eight years yes wow it's like in the last year and a

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half the floodgates have burst open yes and I have so much opportunity I'm I'm

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doing a Bible study with in another Community where the missionaries were

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run out of that community in 2017 because of violence they've had multiple battles fought over that

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mountain and every single house has either been burned or rans sacked when

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you say battles fought over the mountains like for land rights no cartel conflict battles involving

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hundreds of men on the mountain side in the middle of nowhere so the two cartels are fighting each other on the mountain but not for the mountain no they're

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they're well they're fighting for control of the territory okay and it was it was the one guy's base where he'd go

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hide out he had a fairly large personal Army and like he had a couple cou

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hundred men there okay um and his enemies said enough's enough we're going to kill him and they did they played a

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game of soccer with his head um that'll kill you so I go into

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that environment in 2023 and they' had no Christian influence there since 2017 when some

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missionaries were forced out by the violence right um and I had the

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proper credential to be able to go in because I've been vetted everybody knows

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who I am and they know that I don't say things I shouldn't say m

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um and so I had access after a year of building

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relationships I asked one of the men there um would it be all right if we'd start

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doing a Bible study after a year okay yeah

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and his response was yeah that'd be really really good praise God yeah and so my Approach

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is always to go to the men like I'm polite to women and

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kids I pursue relationship with men sure um it's really I think it's the way that

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God prescribed right you address the authority structure that God created yes and you don't try to go around their

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back deal with it headon uh in a friendly manner right but um

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it's interesting that man rounded up his second wife's extended family he has two

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wives rounded up the extended family that was nearby and said hey come on

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outside we're going to sit down listen to Andrew give a a reading from the Bible so they had heard of the yeah they

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had encountered other missionaries there yeah yeah but not the right people that who had handled things the wrong way I

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won't I won't comment on that sure so yeah so so the Turning Point moment came

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seven nine years seven or so years in when they had seen you being there for a

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long time and like they couldn't figure it out from Material means like what is this guy doing here he says he says he

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wants to teach the Bible yeah like and now he's been here for seven years and we can't figure out what he's really

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about we've seen him we've watched all of his behavior until they finally had a couple drinks and they were to confront you what are you really here for like

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I'm really here for what I told you I was here for that's right and then they're ready to talk to you yeah praise

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God yeah praise God thank you so much for your service sir like where can people go to find out more about you and

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missionary farmer.com I I have a newsletter that you can sign up for um I

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send that about once a month okay well that's my goal reality is about 10 times

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a year won't tell anybody so well thank you so much for your missionary service on behalf of the kingdom and and the

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community in Mexico and thanks for the interview it's a pleasure to be

Samuel Bornman

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here all right Samuel welcome to the will Spencer podcast you came up and

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talked to me about your book yesterday yes I talked to your dad earlier today why don't you introduce yourself and and

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tell people more about you and what you do yeah so I am a missionary and author

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and distiller living and working in Mexico um mostly I'm here to talk today

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about my book um and uh and why it's important for people to have my book I

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wrote a kids book for people ages 12 to eight more or less um about uh

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transhumanism infanticide uh and evil at age appropriate levels in and it's all in

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the context of a fantasy fiction novel um so that your kids can enjoy a good

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story and uh uh start thinking about these issues so when they meet them in the real world they'll recognize from

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them for what they are so I got your book here it's called of wizards and warriors a tale of

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En ya' am I saying that right yes sir so um how did you come up with the idea for this book yeah so um it started during

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co uh finally enough I was uh angry about all the uh transhumanist stuff

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that was going on um and I was angry about abortion um and so that that that

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worked itself into the book I started out thinking hey I'm going to write a light-hearted kid novel and all the

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stuff I was reading all the uh stuff in the news that just worked its way naturally into my story and I said okay

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I guess this is a a kids book but I'm going to have to make it light-hearted enough that kids can actually enjoy it

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uh and not make it too heavy um but um you know it's interesting I think uh

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that children can enjoy certain things that they don't see the parallels to the real world because it's set in a fantasy

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setting uh and then uh then when they Rec when they actually encounter in the real world they're like oh that's like

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in that book I read when I was a little kid now I know what needs to be done you know someone who wants to uh chop babies

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up they deserve an ax in the head you know that kind of thing um so so that's the uh that's the uh they deserve to be

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fought um so that is that that's what I'm doing with that book How long did it take you to write it like when from when

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you had the idea and you flesh it out like how long did the entire process take uh that took me a little more than

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a year okay um so pretty fast for for for books um for first fiction had you

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been a fiction writer before no I had done some uh writing of short stories I had written some uh some larger pieces

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but uh never published them um uh probably never will cuz the ideas uh you

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know I was learning I was learning how to write um but uh no that's my first book well congratulations thank you so

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can you talk a little bit about the plot and the setting and the story like just kind of set the stage and some of the

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characters so the tale is uh About A Boy Named Stout he's uh uh living a normal

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life in his home Village uh and uh one day he and his friend Sally they break

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the rules of their community and go uh enter a enter a Woods that's forbidden

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um and while they're in there the the this other character theight uses uh the

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fact that they they SED to his glory uh by by using that sin uh in spite of

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their sin he he saves them uh well because uh while they're in the woods uh their Village gets attacked and

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destroyed um so then that sets the stage for Stout to go off and fight the evil

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wizard the uh the light sends him on a mission to go stop aval wizard who is

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doing transhumanism and animals together to have better Warriors better soldiers in

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his uh his army uh and and so uh that's that that's that's the plot of this

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story U so definitely a fantasy goblins you got dragons you got uh uh these

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creatures called the dark eternals um that uh if uh these uh demonic like

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creatures um so uh yeah you definitely want to check this book out that's great I mean that that I can see the parallels

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between like you've made it age appropriate for ages 8 to 12 where it's like an adult could look at that setup

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and like yeah recognize the pieces an 8 to 12-year-old if they've been properly catechized might as well but it kind of

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gives them a different spin on the same on the same world yes yes that's a like that's a I don't know like what were

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some of the things that you saw in the world that you like one one element maybe one character that you drew like

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someone out in the world that you drew inspiration from like I can look into the book I don't want you to spoil anything but like you know you maybe you

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read a headline somewhere like I got to put that into the book yeah so um I think that the uh the uh the evil

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wizard whose name is culo it's kind of just a character of uh modern science um

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especially science involving the uh use of fetal stem cells okay um from aborted

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children so he is um he's wanting to improve Humanity as he see fits but he's

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also kind of got this uh really dark uh sense of humor okay because uh I I'll

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just say this this one scene he takes a guy's arms off gives him crab claws then

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the guy can't open a door right right so he breaks people

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yeah to makes them stronger cuz the guy the guy told calculo hey I want I want

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strong hands I want to be able to crush a man's skull that kind of that kind of idea like I want I want to have I want

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to be the strongest man so he gives him these crab claws but now he can't open the door

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right his his his the way he was designed to work you know have hands

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that can open something as simple as a doorknob and now because he has wanted to be something else something that God

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didn't create him to be he can't do something as simple as open the door knob um and culo has this kind of sense

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of humor like hey now you're as strong as you can want it to be you're stronger than any man but now you can't open the

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door knob um and so so he gives me people what they want but not quite the way they they want that's actually a a

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pretty nice bit of inspiration right there right because there's something Darkly true about that about like okay

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I'll give you what you want in a way that uh you know be careful what you wish for you might get it uhhuh yeah

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that I mean I we see that with Satan right yes so uh so so he definitely you

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know that Satan and his his servants they they think alike um and so they they they do stuff like that so this is

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this the first book in a series intended to be so where do you where do you plan to go with the series obviously those

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books are in process but what's the overall vision for the series so yeah so this next book is going to be set like a

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couple Generations later um so following the same theme same War um but different

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characters um so uh the the overall general plot is um tell the story of how

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um uh sin corrupts um and how uh evil evil

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spreads its roots everywhere and pops up time and time again and has to be fought

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in pretty much every age um because if you if you just follow like one character you get a sense of evil but

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like over a short period of time and I kind of wanted to to do kind of like what uh uh CS Lewis did with his

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Chronicles of Narnia like spread it out over over years maybe even Generations thousand thousands of years because um

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it reminds us that if even if we defeat a certain evil in our time we still need

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to Be watchful uh because um due to some mistakes that if you read this book

33:42

there's there's some mistakes the characters make that result in evil reoccurring in the next book um so

33:48

you'll you'll you'll you'll see that there how old are you 24 24 okay that's

33:54

a lot of wisdom for 24 well I've been uh my par have been uh reading the Bible to

33:59

me since I was little every day pretty much um and we've read through the Bible

34:05

multiple times um so I I think I would I would say that God has given me wisdom

34:12

and that my parents have read the Bible to me and that I have a very very very active imagination yes and I have lived

34:20

in Mexico where I see violence firsthand yeah and so I would say that all those things together um

34:28

they uh they they bring a certain amount of wisdom now you're a missionary with your

34:34

parents out there in Meo I spoke to your dad about you know some of the processes of uh of getting to know those people

34:40

and and getting earning their trust and talking Theology and the way their theology Works what is that what has

34:46

that been like for you cuz you were like they were seven or so years ago so you were you maybe 17 something like that

34:52

and you've been there through the process what has that been like for you as you've been there with your parents well so we actually moved to Mexico

34:59

first when I was four oh okay and we we we we we've been there pretty much ever since but um in the in the small town

35:06

where we are now it's still the same community that we've been in since 2009

35:12

but uh um the the little town where we're living now um is called laa we're

35:19

we're we have a farm there and we bought the farm in 2014 so that's that's that's

35:24

um that's probably the time period my dad was talking about to you there but

35:29

um so what my role was primarily for many years was um helping my dad get to

35:37

know families right um I didn't even know it you know I was just playing with

35:42

kids but kids playing together uh tend to introduce parents to each other um

35:48

and so that it's a very natural way for parents to get to know each other say hey our kids are playing together why

35:54

don't you guys come over you know um come over for supper and hang out so um that was how I helped

36:01

my dad at first um and after that um you know as I got older I started telling

36:06

people what I understood about the gospel um As I understood it and as I

36:12

developed more and more you know my understanding of the Gospel was able to share more and more clearly um and now I

36:19

uh sometimes go to um community events on on my own um you know some of those

36:25

I'm sure my dad mentioned the drinking buddies that yeah the corn the corn beer yeah they uh they have these ritual

36:32

drinking parties and sometimes I go by myself and I go and I sit around and I

36:38

visit I drink with them tell them that drunkenness is a sin but that uh drinking in moderation is not um and

36:45

that uh yeah it's fine to dance a little while it's fine to dance but um if

36:50

you're married you should dance with your wife and if you're not married you should uh be careful how you dance and

36:56

what kind of messages you get come AC give across so um yeah so so that's

37:02

that's that's that's kind of been my role started out just introducing my dad to people you know being a kid and now

37:09

I'm all the way into uh preaching the gospel at at these uh drunken

37:16

parties and uh writing uh SciFi fantasy allegory on the side yeah yeah I I I

37:22

wouldn't actually call it allegory oh yeah yeah because I'm not a I'm not trying to um right yeah it's not

37:29

allegory it's fantasy yes but as a Christian writer my Christianity is just

37:35

woven into it it's like okay it's it's I I think it's hard to separate uh if if

37:41

you're if you truly care about the gospel it's hard to separate uh your your Christian beliefs from from your

37:48

work I think it it'll show there it should be yes so you're your your beliefs I mean that's what we're doing

37:53

here at fight laugh Feast as we're learning how to infuse all of Christ for all of life all means all yes including

38:01

your work including your creativity including including your labors yeah yeah so um so just sort of the just sort

38:08

of the last question then like um had you you've been writing your whole life

38:13

and sort of would walk me into the moment where you had the inspiration to write the book was there like a moment

38:19

where it's like oh wait and it kind of Clicks in your mind or was it something that had kind of Taken shape and layers

38:25

over time yeah so like I said I I started out wanting to write a lighthearted kids novel like yeah I'm

38:33

going to have some fun write a novel I wrote it I just have some fun write a novel no big deal yeah yeah yeah yeah

38:38

cuz I mean it's it's my hobby that's I I I just enjoy I've always enjoyed telling

38:43

stories um ever since I was a little little kid as soon as I started talking I started making up stories telling oh

38:49

great okay just part of who you are yeah which I mean if you like to tell stories a lot sometimes you start to get into

38:55

telling lies uh sure so uh but uh but uh

39:00

yeah so I started out uh just like hey writing fun kids novel and

39:07

um then you know in 2020 I'm trying to write a lighthearted kids novel reading

39:12

all the news about all the evil stuff that's going on with Co and uh the development of the covid vaccine and and

39:20

also uh just just violence in our local area you know and all this stuff just kind of wo its way in and then I'm like

39:28

okay I wrote something a little heavier I wonder if this can even be a kid's novel yeah and I handed it to my dad cuz

39:35

he he wants to read what I you know I'm writing you know he's like he reads it

39:40

and he he looks at me and he says this good and your dad's the sort of man who

39:46

would be honest with you about that yeah yeah yeah yeah my dad's been telling me for years write something else write

39:52

something else this is not good enough write something else don't publish this and I'm like okay so so so then he says

39:58

this good I'm like uh what do you mean it's good what do you mean like what do

40:03

you mean it's good he's like uh I think you could publish this if you do some publishing you could publish this I like

40:10

okay my dad's never encouraged me to publish it it must be good it must be good that means something it means

40:16

something and so uh that is when the moment clict they like okay now I have

40:22

to publish a book how in the world do I publish a book right so I'm like like

40:27

okay start researching this on online and um um started like talking to some

40:36

people but I like I wasn't really super serious about it I was like yeah I want to but I don't even know where to begin

40:44

because and I was looking at the publishing world and like listening to authors talk about how hard it is to get

40:50

published I'm like man this is crazy I'm not already uh established I'm not some

40:57

famous politician wanting to write a book about their terrible life in their

41:03

20s or whatever like so how in the world do I get published um plus also I don't

41:10

want to be I don't want to be supporting a uh a company that is a woke or or

41:17

tyrannical um and I and and as I'm thinking about it I ended up meeting uh

41:22

a guy online a guy named Alan steo who uh he wrote a he wrote a book on how

41:28

face masks hurt kids um and uh I met him online and I was you know my dad signed

41:35

me up for his uh business class he had a business class he was doing and he says so what business are you going to do I

41:40

said well I've written a book I've been thinking about publishing it he says all right you got like 3 months or something

41:47

to get it published I'm like what do you mean he says just self-publish on Amazon I'm like I don't really like Amazon he

41:52

said me neither he said but uh you need to get it published cuz if you don't publish it you're never going to publish

41:58

fair so I said okay I guess I'll do it and then I had a deadline and I had a

42:05

guy who was keeping me accountable because uh the the way his business Workshop worked was uh each week we had

42:12

a call and I had to tell him what I'd done to get towards my call my goal you

42:17

know on a call straight up coaching 10 20 other people like okay in front of all these people what have you done this

42:24

week like did you do what you said you were going to do no okay no why like what's going on and so that really that

42:32

really uh motivated it and uh that's that's that's why that book exists

42:37

because they they uh they held me accountable uh that and and my and my

42:42

siblings they were like you really have to publish this we we love this book we want other people to enjoy it um they've

42:49

been telling me for years I should publish something but uh uh I always I always took it with a grain of salt

42:54

because uh my dad was saying it was bad but when my dad my siblings and my mom all agree that it's

43:01

good I'm going to go for it congratulations yeah well thank that's a beautiful story well thank that's

43:08

because when you walked up to talk to me yesterday you walked up very confidently it was such it was such an inspiration

43:14

like this is a young man who just walks up to me hands me his book and says he wants to talk to me on the podcast I'm like I got instant respect for that you

43:20

know what I mean well thank you yeah but you have your your parents your siblings you have this accountability coach

43:26

behind you and you you ship the thing you put it out there and so when we were talking yesterday you you seemed quite

43:33

confident about continuing the series and that I understand now why because it's like you got the first one out

43:39

there it's going to make the second one so much easier yes yes it is well congratulations well thank you where

43:45

would you like to send people to uh to buy the book or learn more about you and what you do yeah so uh you can go to

43:51

Samuel born.com that's s a m e l b o r n m.com

43:58

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44:41

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Parker Brown

44:51

you Parker man what's up thanks for coming on the podcast dude anytime brother anything for you so I'm a big

44:58

fan of your podcast uh watch well yep which is all about not just this I don't

45:04

think but all about breaking down movies from within a Christian worldview that's right and I just think that's such a

45:09

incredibly cool idea because that's what I do when I watch movies now which is why I don't watch many movies so the

45:16

opportunity to talk about it with Brothers is a really cool idea so how did you come up with us with a podcast

45:21

so the story of the podcast actually starts with my co-host who's my cousin uh Nick who you you've met met yeah

45:29

um 20 years ago 15 years ago something like that he uh he kind of he was in

45:35

college and he was going to movies and ultimately when you would leave the movie theater he would talk to his buddies about the movie that's kind of

45:42

that's what you do that's what you do right and he kind of uh this trend just kind of emerged and he found that more

45:48

often than not it would end up in a conversation about worldview oh that's interesting and he was like yeah every

45:54

time we talk about a movie it ends up to like good and E Vil and subjective objective morality all these different

46:01

things and he said you know I should write a blog I should do a Blog on this stuff and then he never did

46:08

it story's over well cool podcast and he never did it I'd love to tell you that you know sailed off into the future and

46:13

it was it was happy ever after but no he never wrote the blog uh and then years later he uh was put in charge of the

46:19

youth group at his church and he was like remembered back and he was like oh this is this idea and he applied it to

46:24

the youth group kids where they would come over to their house they would watch a movie and then they would talk about it and engage it biblically uh

46:32

with worldview uh presuppositional apologetics and all those different things and he found really really good

46:37

success with it um and uh and then he did that for a few years and uh then

46:45

later uh I don't know maybe 10 years later again uh he was talking to me and I was like yeah I'm trying to get into

46:50

podcast but I can't really think of an idea and uh he remembered back and he

46:56

said well I had this idea I call it watch well and we just do re reviews of movies with

47:03

Biblical worldview and I said that's it so then we recorded our first episode that week on fences with Denzel

47:09

Washington and it was all seen that one it's really good man yeah really good what other episodes what other movies

47:14

have you done oh man Back to the Future we've done the uh Back to the Future yeah Dark Knight trilogy we've done

47:20

Forest Gump we've done the new the Batman with Robert patson um Forest Gump

47:25

I would Shred in a Christian worldview I would rip that to Pieces it's so fun so

47:31

fun we probably need to redo it we probably need to have you back on and talk about Forest gum oh please let's go

47:36

that would be so fun oh man we've done so many fences is good we've done 13 hours secret soldiers of

47:42

Benghazi um yeah we oh that's two different titles that's one title 13 hours yeah 13 hours uh it's all about

47:49

the uh the the military guys that uh got left in Benghazi with no they got H off

47:54

the guy from the office right yeah there's actually uh I think there's three or four characters from The Office

48:00

uh the guy that plays Roy in the office is in it and then do you remember the um

48:05

who's the guy that come the the the the guy that comes in and does all the checks uh he's he's in the movie as well

48:12

I can't remember I'm really bad at TV so it's okay it's okay so uh so yeah those are we've done I think we've done like

48:18

40 some movies or something like that really done 40 episodes yeah that's fantastic yeah so like okay so what were

48:25

some of what were some of your favorites like what's the that really stands out in your memory is like yes um we did one

48:30

with Dead Poet Society uh yeah we had a guest on Williams is the bad guy yeah

48:35

yeah we did one with Dead Poet Society Taran came on and we talked that one was a good one um sorry Taran so Taran boy

48:42

yet she has a podcast um and uh she came on I don't I don't you want me to say

48:48

with I don't uh it's I believe it's called um Chasing Rainbows is her podcast okay um and she came on we

48:55

talked about uh um discipleship and you know there's there's a lot of different things in that movie that we that we talk about

49:02

it's hard to remember them all to be honest with you oh sure they all run together yeah but uh yeah The Dark

49:08

Knight trilogy was fun and uh the you did the whole trilogy yeah we did him like sequential oh one one episode for

49:15

each film what did you say about the the The Dark Knight the second film what did you say about that one if you can recall

49:21

so I have to be careful because it's Nick's all-time favorite movie no your your cousin my cousin yeah

49:28

it's his all faor movie it's his like the he he is a Batman like die hard Dark

49:34

Knight fan really yeah why um it's not a bad movie he he uh he would I don't know

49:40

he would he would talk about it better than I would okay we need to get you guys in a room together and talk about the Dark Knight we about it yeah uh so

49:48

uh so yeah I mean you can't really argue with someone's favorite but you can argue whether a movie is good or not

49:53

that's that's true he's not a fan of the dark Night Rises no cuz that's a horrible movie it's a it's a horrible

50:00

movie yeah it's the ideas just didn't come together it's it's like they they messed it up with wokeness there could

50:06

have been a good story in there somewhere but they had to make it woke like Blade Runner 2049 yeah which I haven't seen that one oh that what's

50:13

that one about Blade Runner 20419 takes place after the original Blade Runner film with Harrison Ford it's in the

50:19

future where they're they replicants still but they're more controlled after they went crazy the first time and the

50:25

whole plot revolves around a replicant his name I think is K discovering that

50:31

replicants can now reproduce via like childbirth replicants had to be

50:36

manufactured and so they find out that it's possible the replicants can reproduce like sexually reproduce like

50:41

can they can be their own species and so the it's like one replicant has been produced that can allegedly do that is

50:48

it him Etc so it's it's that whole journey Harrison Ford shows up and I have a lot that I could say about a lot

50:54

of guys are huge fans of that movie and I'm just there's a lot of good things about it it's Den elu who did uh the

51:01

Dune series Y and uh the arrival so he's a very talented filmmaker visually um

51:08

but this the story there were some problems with the story what do you think about Dune um I I felt differently about the

51:16

the both movies both movies were significantly impacted in very small

51:21

Ways by wokeness okay so in the first dune there's a character leet KES leet K

51:29

in the books the first of all the Dune book is like incredible it's like top five yeah I've never I haven't read the

51:36

books yet oh okay well you know I I don't know that you have to read the book's plural but the first dune book is

51:42

of the entire science fiction genre going back to HG Wells and before top five if not top three might even be the

51:49

best sci-fi novel of all time it's it's back when science fiction you so that's what I did in high school is I read

51:55

science fiction novels all of them not all of them but many many many of them and so it's just an Incredible Book

52:02

like really really worth reading the language and all of that so in that book there's a character leet K who's a man

52:09

who is kind of like in charge of the planet Dune in a way um knows a lot

52:15

about it in the movie leet KES was replaced with a black woman right so it was it's it's a minor character the way

52:22

that they portrayed it in the book it's a much bigger character but the wokeness was so evident and the thing is in movies like for a

52:30

character to be given esteem cuz you're okay so a character comes on screen why

52:35

should I listen to whatever this person has to say you have the development yeah yeah so the cinematography you know various things

52:41

Exposition about the character the costume all this communicates this is a person you should be listening to

52:47

subconsciously so that someone doesn't come on screen is like we need to listen to what this guy has to say so so the

52:53

thing is like for most characters credibility established you know in all these ways for this character she comes

53:00

on screen and she behaves as if you should pay attention to what I have to say and the only way her credibility is

53:05

established is because she's a black woman yeah right which is a very common thing in films that they're like oh the magical black woman and it's an old

53:11

thing for men as well the magical black man is like a well-known movie Trope and

53:16

like I think um there's a golf movie something like that you know where it's like a oh is it a Bagger Vance that's it

53:24

yeah it's a it's a wellestablished it's a well film you look up so that's kind of that and there was something about that scene

53:31

that was just it just left a really bad taste in my mouth a really small change but it's like this is a significant

53:36

character that they did nothing with and and kind of discarded and so that affected that affected the movie in that

53:42

small way but it was in the second Dune that they had a real problem because um

53:48

the character of Chie played by Zenia yep the function of that character is to

53:56

be the conscience of the story right so she's the one who's supposed to be looking at Paul atri's rise and being

54:03

like hey I'm not so sure about this everyone's totally bought in go go go and she's supposed to be like hey like

54:09

pump the brakes a little bit maybe this isn't a good idea yeah totally valid role in the story The problem is is Zia

54:15

is not a really good actress so she couldn't pull off the nuances of performance to suggest disapproval

54:23

without scowling so she was she was telling instead of showing I'm upset with what's happening frowny face yeah

54:29

as opposed to suggesting like a more skilled actor would be able to communicate that in a way that would be

54:35

more impactful and less obvious so that was bad but what was really bad is at

54:40

the end of the second film Chie is supposed to recognize that the right thing for pades to do is actually to

54:47

marry the emperor's daughter that that's the only way to preserve peace in the galaxy and like she's supposed to be

54:53

bought in the conscience is supposed to equit so he can take this step instead

54:59

they had to play it off as the jilted girlfriend and suddenly she turns into the woke boss bab who's been discarded

55:04

for the girl and she goes riding off on her worm motorcycle and it's just like that is completely getting the character

55:10

wrong and so like these are small things you could look at them that way but it's

55:16

also Mars what would be an otherwise good movie it's not zenia's fault it's not her fault that she's not a good

55:21

performer she's simply not right and I don't even mind people are getting down on her for her looks like she's not like

55:28

as pretty as others look she she plays a desert a desert girl she doesn't necessarily have to be as attractive

55:33

like cuz that would be authent authentic to the character it's that she didn't have the chops she did not have the acting chops and I thought everyone was

55:39

very unfair to her but then again we didn't cast her so she was she was underqualified for the role and it

55:46

showed up in the story yeah I'm I'm often uh or I'm immediately uh going through scenes of movies where you said

55:53

that she didn't have the chops for those uh those scenes where she had to show disgust or disapproval uh you know like

55:59

Forest Gump when Tom at the very end when Tom Hanks finally realizes that the kid is his son yeah and just that scene

56:05

of that emotion he he he looks at Jenny and he you know and he does the the the

56:12

the physical expression of like is he like me but he doesn't say anything that's right and

56:17

and it just gives a whole different dimension to the story and the scene and and it brings you into it to actually

56:25

feel like you're in the room with them that's right and and I think you know I

56:30

I I I don't know if I would have you're making me think about Dune now and I I don't know if I would have

56:36

pulled that out uh specifically that scene with zenai but I think you're absolutely correct yeah I mean like

56:42

that's this is the art of acting that we don't have a lot of information about we know when it's awesome like like Marlon

56:48

Brando is I think it's he's generally considered the best male actor of all time and he just has this gravitas like

56:54

in The Godfather in the Godfather he's literally just sitting there presence presence that's right it's a it's light

57:02

P it's it's photons bouncing off a screen you know what I mean in the movie theater and yet you're there with him

57:08

cuz he has this presence there's no sound how does that work I don't know how that works but it does but it's a

57:14

skill it's a skill and it takes very it takes a really long time and I think anymore and I'd love to get your

57:19

thoughts on this too where you have these um almost these kids that just come up and they're just famous

57:25

immediately boom and it's like there was no uh like uh trial or um vetting

57:33

process almost it's like you're just going to act in this movie correct you know and and there was no um tried and

57:38

true uh I say vetting I'm I'm I don't know a better word but I think you can kind of get what I'm trying to say where

57:44

someone like Marlon Brando the craft was a big deal craft yes and and you know I mean I would even say like Tom Hanks and

57:51

some of these great actors and uh I mean even actresses uh they just kind of stood the

57:57

test of time which is why when you go back and um I'm I'm kind of a big fan of

58:02

Titanic I don't know what you think about Titanic Rose is one of History's great villains yeah that's right that's right

58:09

right that's right but evil but the acting in the movie I think is pretty decent yeah and I and I think that it's

58:15

kind of a Timeless movie because you can go back in a way surprisingly so you can kind of go back and you can watch

58:20

Titanic and still enjoy the movie but if you go back and watch Dune yeah it's

58:25

probably not going to last a generation no the visuals are incredible it's art on screen man it's C they do that well

58:32

but you got to get to the story and then you have to get the right people on the bus in order to carry the story along

58:38

you can't have really good story and bad people to carry the story that's right and oh they try yeah they they do and I

58:45

don't you know I don't know if budgeting goes into all of that or anything like that that no one wants to spend money on

58:51

writers the things that makes a that make a movie succeed is good writing

58:56

right and good acting if you have those two things you can do a ton with a very lowbudget film right but like now people

59:03

would rather spend money on spectacle and spectacle just the way that I Define it is like it's action scenes that do

59:10

nothing to advance the plot but just look amazing to look at like the like the Transformers movies are pure

59:16

spectacle you know what I mean but it doesn't this explosion that I'm looking at right now doesn't do anything to advance the plot or whatever it's just

59:23

something to look at now there are action scenes that do Advance the plot right and that's not spectacle and you

59:29

want to invest money into those but a lot of it is just like this needs to be you know 50% longer for the for the lwi

59:36

information voters yeah that's right that's right that's right the screen that's right yeah man that's it's just

59:43

so much fun to talk about movies right it's so fun and and they're such a big part of our Lives you know uh I was just

59:48

actually having a conversation over here with uh with Dusty ders and uh we were talking about Christian engagement and

59:55

entertainment and uh so so much of entertainment today is exactly what we just talked about it's just it's just

1:00:01

brain Roth yeah there's no point to it it's it's you get on Tik Tok and scroll death scroll yes and and and that's kind

1:00:08

of what we aim to do is is take take back the the um the Reigns of

1:00:14

entertainment and you know we got t-shirts here at fight left Beast you know bringing death to the passive consumption of entertainment and uh and

1:00:21

that's that's literally what we want to do BR death to the passive consumption of entertainment yeah five bro thanks

1:00:26

man thanks man so like what are some what are some techniques so there

1:00:33

there's two questions what are some really good films that Christians can watch good films that Christians can

1:00:38

watch not films that Christians just there lot of those and and like what are some ways that Christians can watch like

1:00:44

mainstream movies and insulate themselves from some of the toxic ideas

1:00:50

because you don't want to P like you said you don't want to passively consume entertainment but like it can get really

1:00:56

tiring to constantly be on guard against messaging in films a good example is I

1:01:01

went to the second I went to see the second Top Gun with my dad and I think I got I was like I could feel myself kind

1:01:08

of white knuckling where's the wokeness Wake where's the wokeness and then it didn't come didn't come and I could just

1:01:13

sit there and enjoy the film and it's such a freeing feeling like it's like oh my gosh they're not trying to force

1:01:18

anything down my throat that's right and how often does that happen almost never nowadays so like so there's a there's a

1:01:24

clenched watching and but like there's a way to do that smartly in a way to just do that like I'm not watching right yeah

1:01:31

so but if I don't want to do that what are some films that I can watch that you would recommend instead that might be a little bit easier less clenching so kind

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of both yeah so I guess to give you an idea of what we do I would I would point to the movie Tombstone um and I hope

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this is answering your question but uh you know one of the things that we took away from uh Tombstone was Curly Bill

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and uh and and I'll say cly bill is the bad guy Curly Bill is the bad guy that's the um Michael

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Bean yes yes um what's interesting about watching a

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movie is when we go and watch the movie we automatically presuppose that we are like the good guys yeah that's yeah it's

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and and how often do we ever uh you know correlate to the bad guys in the

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interesting we're not supposed to but there is some of that right so like we're not supposed to but how if if we

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if I guess the technique that we use is you know you to obviously you have to start with preparing read the Bible you have to know your theology know your

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worldview but then when you when you watch a movie like Tombstone and you you you watch how how much uh time and

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effort went into getting the viewer to hate Curly Bill because of how terrible he is that's right right and you

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absolutely want him to get what he deserves you want him you want the worst things to happen to that guy that's

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right films good films spend a long time setting up the emotional payoff of the

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death of the villain right cuz you have to like yes and when it comes it's satisfying right it's oh my gosh Justice

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and and that appeal to justice is written on our hearts you know Romans chapter 1 Romans Chapter 2 Romans

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chapter 3 right no one righteous uh no one no one good no one seeks for God uh we exchange the truth for the lie we

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have what you know God's law written on our heart so we have that appeal to Justice MH but how often do we look at

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Curly Bill and see ourselves because standing before a holy and righteous God or Curly Bill oh man

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yes you know what I'm saying yes the perspective this is the difference between total depravity and absolute depravity like yeah we're not all

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criminals you know and so far as any of you know we're not all criminals right now like that however before holy God

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yes yeah there's not a meaningful amount of difference between us yeah and I think I think that's a really good way

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to um present the gospel to people that you go to the theater with or you know how often you're just sitting around

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you're like hey we need something to do let's watch a movie hey let's throw a tombstone hey what do you you know you're non-believing friend what do you

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think about Curly Bill yeah you don't you you don't necessarily believe in objective morality because we're friends and I kind of know your world you a

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little bit why do you why do you want Curly Bill to get what he deserves MH what do you

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deserve how do you justify calling that immoral like him killing and slaughtering all these people I mean he

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Slaughters people at a church in the opening scene that's right you know couple that just gets married he just

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shows up and just kills them all yeah why is that wrong yeah so that that kind

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of that's kind of the idea of what we want to do that's great and and that's you you point out something really important is to understand that feeling

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of Justice that's something that I've observed in the movies that I watch is that the movie has to establish within

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the premises of the movie why the villain is bad and get you to have a negative feeling against him it can't

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just be the way that he looks you have to see the villain do something that triggers this feeling that advances the

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plot so I think of the movie Kill Bill yeah right and so like you see the bride you know get you know and that's like

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such a brutal and Savage and truly satanic scene let's be honest like it's it's really like the only reason that

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the only reason in fact that reminds me I should send you an article that I wrote on my substack about uh why there

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why there are no convincing female action heroes um and one of them is because no one wants to see actual

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violence done to a woman that's right right and the only reason that scene and Kill Bill where she gets shot is even

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passible is because you already know she's going to survive that's well established she's alive and it's in black and white right her face is

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bloodied and beaten and but you can't see any of that cuz it's black and white and you know that she survived so it can't be that bad no one would ever

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tolerate a scene like that nor should we but we would we wouldn't like it from a

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man but like when you see John Wick being tied up and tortured you know what I mean it's like he's the hero and Men

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we expect that from men you don't torture women right and you mean you you you didn't connect to the scene where

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she's buried alive and she's three inches away and she's punching out stupid it's so stupid but it's that kind

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of like chop socki com like it's like I can willingly like yeah willingly of

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disb exactly that that that she kicks the door open you blasts her in the chest and she goes flying backwards from

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Salt like what know so dumb right but that that character um what's his name the guy the Billy Bud who lives in the

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trailer um but I think that's the character yeah he's one of the Fox Force

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fire uh he's the one who pulls the trigger and so you see him get doesn't

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he get bitten in the face by the snake snake that's right that's right so the the violence and the and the shock

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horror I guess of that is the payoff for the terrible acts that he's committed

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and so being sensitive to that pattern in films but then applying that to understand the sins that you've

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committed in your life and the justice that you deserve this is these principles are woven into us as beings

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and we project them in large like literally project them in large format on a screen that you're watching you've

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sinned against the holy God what do you deserve from him right but you don't necessarily have to receive that you

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don't think that way when you're sitting in the movie theater you know I've I've never thought that way until now right

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but and that that's that's real we're seeing reflected it's in a sense it's like taken from us because these these

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the biblical stories by D David Reese is like giving a fullon sermon right now I don't know if you've been listening to

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what you been saying policies to avoid while out of power proverbs 30 22 32

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through 30 I mean he's like talking about sovereignty and all this stuff anyway so it's like in a sense like the

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awareness of these things has been taken from us because we should be learning this out of the Bible but we're not

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learning it out of the Bible anymore we're learning it in a twisted and demented form from Hollywood that's

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right yeah and if you're not Tethered to the Bible you'll believe any you can believe anything that's true yeah that's

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true that's and people and then movies will train you to think however the the the directors and you'll essentially be

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indoctrinated to believe whatever the the the the story writers believe yes

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because every movie has a message that's right and the and the the question is what is what is the message and how does

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it stack up to actual truth which can only come from the Bible that's right that's right and and that's not to say

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that well so many films borrow from the Bible like Braveheart what is Braveheart

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but a Christ story yeah that's literally what it is it's not I mean it's only marginally close to history you know but

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it's like a young chosen boy goes and trains and comes back and you know gets his disciples together and gives it like

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that's ex there's a reason why Jesus told Parables there's a reason why God I mean the narrative in the Canon of

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scripture is a giant story and I don't mean that in like a mythological sense but but there like God is a Storyteller

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that's right he is and and so there is significance there and one of our other taglines is you you must know Christ to

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understand story because without good and evil without a

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narrative there can't be a story right so that's you know yeah but there's a there's a whole

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pattern happening now in films where you do have the anti-hero you have

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the movie like Joker right or the guy from have you seen Drive with Ryan Gosling uh or the or or Christian Bale

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from Amer psycho like the the I think it's either Millennial or zmen have this whole collection of uh lone nut you know

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Sigma males you know what I mean but I think that that the whole anti-hero is a Corruption of the actual order in which

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uh um it it's it's a it's a chaotic um it's just a chaotic narrative

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right and I think that if we're going to if we're going to lean more into virt you as opposed to Vice then you were

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going to have a more you know God is a god of order right you know we we have we have we have order and structure and

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when you when you start to see those types of Corruptions there's Foul Play sure and you know and and when you get

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into chaos and different things you know who the father of chaos is right so of course so yeah I I I I totally agree I

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um I I it's tough because I think the the flesh likes the anti-hero a little bit

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though yes you know the the flesh kind of likes it you know and there's there's something raw and and relatable but I

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think that's the LIE right I think that's the LIE yeah who so who SWS who

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SWS chaos right in the that would seem virtuous within the the bounds of story

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but that isn't that's a really good point actually CU a lot of these Sigma male guys they do focus on the anti-hero

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you know the The Joker Is the is a great example but again Christian Bale or even Deadpool Deadpool oh you know like like

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it's it's tough because if I'm being honest I really am drawn to those movies Marvel movies no not the Marvel movies

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just Deadpool's character and uh but I I'm not convinced I should be no I I

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watch clips on YouTube from the recent Deadpool versus Wolverine and it's so

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vulgar it is it's very so vulgar and it's so violent and it's so graphic and

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I'm so I don't know that I could actually sit through the entire film but it's like but I would like to yeah you

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know what I mean I mean I did and it it's everything you said just said it is and and I watch clips of the Gambit you

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know what I mean it's like what a fun character but what is he saying yeah and

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you just you know and I know I didn't see this one but the what's the new it's Doctor Strange I stopped watching Marvel

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after endgame but there course like everyone did yeah and uh there there's a new doctor strange movie and and just

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the sorcery and the it's like you're the you kind of the new age you know you know a lot about the new age stuff and

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I'm sure there's tons of that in that you know and the I remember there being a few things in the first one like um

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it's uh it's uh Doctor Strange going into the dark dimension to confront

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doramu yeah right it's a loop it's a loop but there's a scene where uh the

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the enlightened one or whatever character like punches his soul out of his body open your eye so open your eye

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is you know chakra third eye kind of thing but then that entire sequence is like it's just that's what an iasa trip

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looks like so very clearly the designers or something had done drugs to create those those Graphics that's what that is

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right and so you know I wanted to comment on that in fact I want to start doing more reaction videos to some of the stuff that's out there and point out

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that's what this is cuz people don't recognize I see it CU you know but these

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values are being put through story and with Hyper powerful Graphics yeah yeah

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what are what are your so obviously we we have to follow our convictions you know if we don't if we don't follow our convictions we're in

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yeah so how what is your opinion on engaging with with that kind of content can you

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can you say just never watch it and maybe border like Christian retreatism

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or from from entertainment obviously I'm I'm trying to be clear here um follow

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your convictions right sure and I know that that line is going to be very different for everybody but in order to

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react to something you have to see it and be knowledgeable of it and to be up to date so what what do you think how

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best can we do that in your opinion well I mean I would just say like as a

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content creator it's it's a little uh it's different than than an everyday

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consumer passively passively yeah for me like I don't watch movies I don't watch Netflix I don't watch TV like I listen

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like and I'm not I'm not advocating this for others I just mean for myself I've always been hyper sensitive to media and

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so like I've never been able to watch a horror movie CU I'm way too sensitive to it right so so I don't engage with that

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stuff and I just don't I can't you know I will watch commentary there's a great guy Rob AER Co collative learning on

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YouTube you'd really like his stuff actually all he does is is in-depth analysis of film um and and sometimes

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video games and TV but he's brilliant I'll watch that it takes a lot to get me

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to watch a film nowadays as a content creator though my thought is that I can

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spot things that are that are in these that are intention it's not just a coincidence I can spot things that I

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think people need to see I'll give a good example I don't know what it is but I downloaded it from the internet it was

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a cartoon that tells the story of Satan and Lilith right and it's it's sort of

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talking it talks a little bit about God it's pure gnosticism it's it's all of this and it's like it's it's done in a

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kid style of Animation maybe it might be adult swim like for adults but like it's still kind of it's It's a it is very

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much a cartoon and I watch that it's like like I don't know how long it is maybe it's 5 minutes animated sequence

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it looks like the introduction to a series um I'm can I'm sure I can find out what it is and I'm looking at this

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and I'm like I know what every single one of those comments means it's

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terrifying it's and none of it is any good from the from the very second sentence of the script it takes you know

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a Bible story and then slides it and tries to position it as good and it's like I look at that and I know what all

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that means someone else will be like what does all that mean like I can tell you exactly what that means and that's what they're showing to your kids and so

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I think for that yes but like I wouldn't just put it out there just like I'm just

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going to create a piece of contents like you need to see what's going on here Avatar movie Avatar is another great

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example nature worship you know yeah hat hatred of hatred of men and masculinity

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and the father hatred of capitalism worship of the planet you know all this different stuff all we have Avatar and

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Avatar 2 on our podcast oh you've done them already I haven't seen Avatar 2 was that um I think it was I think it was

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better than the first one in terms of our values from our world viw there was there was a really actual uh really good

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thread of the father figure I heard that um but you still have the you know the

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the um the worship of Nature and you know we're all one you know in one way

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spiritually one or another we feed off each other and um and yeah that's that's

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tough it is it is well that's why I'm grateful that your podcast exist because I think like there's there's a there's

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both a prophylactic as in like maybe you can watch a little bit of you know maybe you can do like spoiler-free versions

1:16:35

like hey if you're going into this keep these things in mind who someone won a drawing I guess keep these things in

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mind and then there's like when you're done watching it then you can unpack it from there so you can send people there to prepare people for what they're going

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to watch is better than not at all but then also like someone could be really troubled like I saw this film I didn't

1:16:52

know much about it I watched the whole thing and I was really troubled by but I can't put my finger on what oh the watch

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well guys they T that's what was bothering me I love that yeah well I really appreciate you man you've been a

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blessing to me than um we're just looking up to you as a content creator and we're trying to learn uh the best we

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can you know and this is not just flattery this this is genuine man thank you no and I'm very blessed by that

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because you know that I'm I'm such an enthusiastic supporter of what you do so it's like it's a fantastic idea and I'm

1:17:21

grateful that uh Nick put that into a Blog and didn't know what to do didn't put I don't know what to do with

1:17:27

it like cuz this is he planted a seed and and this is a real this is what should be done with it and it's really

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needed God is s man the idea was so far long ago and now it's it's here and we're we're doing the best we can and

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and again you've been gracious to us so we appreci please keep it up because I I see a big success for this and and I

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want it to be successful so I'm grateful to talk with you and Sh thanks cheers buddy y

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