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so yes talk about 911 and we were going to get canceled oh well see but I wasn't

0:06

in town that day I was supposed to be I was supposed to be in town that day working in lower Manhattan on Lafayette

0:12

Street but actually very close friend of mine and his family his wife and his two daughters were actually on the ground

0:19

and then the first Tower came down and you know you saw all the dust and stuff and they got separated nobody could see

0:25

anything it was like opaque somebody came out of nowhere and grabbed my friend wife and his daughter and lifted

0:31

them up and the stroller and carried them away from World Trade Center to she

0:37

never saw who it was my guest this week is Christopher

0:44

nolles but you may know him better on Twitter as secret Suns speaks he runs a Blog of the same name where he discusses

0:50

what he calls synchr mysticism his thesis is that the major events that shape our reality are not random they're

0:57

orchestrated because their enactments of ancient religious rituals that have nothing to do with Christianity and in

1:04

fact they're deeply opposed to the faith all the world's a stage as Shakespeare said in his famous play as you like it

1:10

but Christopher might say all the world's an altar and what's being sacrificed on that altar metaphorically

1:16

speaking is the Christian worldview rituals in opposition to the Triune God are being practiced all the time in the

1:24

streets on TV in the headlines and even in the architecture of buildings as well

1:29

as popular books and movies the people who are doing this aren't secretive about it it's just we don't know what

1:35

we're looking at but when some of us start pointing these things out we're called crazy conspiracy theorists but

1:41

I'll tell you what I'd rather be a conspiracy theorist than an incompetence theorist or a coincidence theorist

1:47

because if we're Behind Enemy Lines as CS Lewis said in Mere Christianity then is it really wise to imagine that Satan

1:54

is incompetent similarly Is it wise to imagine that he gets by on coincidence

1:59

in a universe where Proverbs 16:33 says the lot is cast into the lap but its

2:05

every decision is from the Lord I thought not so maybe it's time for those of us with ears to hear to begin

2:11

listening to some of the researchers out there and if you're looking for somebody allow me to recommend Christopher from

2:17

Secret sun because what I discovered in this interview is that Christopher grew up devoutly Christian as a child he was

2:24

part of a faithful church with an inspiring Pastor during a formative stage of his life all that Christopher

2:29

tell the story and what happened after it's a theme that's woven throughout this interview and it's important

2:35

because in a world of conspiracy researchers like David Ike Graham Hancock and Joe Rogan finding one who

2:41

believes in the one true and living God and his son Jesus Christ was inspiring and refreshing indeed in our

2:47

conversation Christopher and I discussed his background in the church the Pagan

2:52

symbolism all around us Lucifer mithis and Perseus the meaning of a church

2:58

sanctuary why strong men are a threat to Empire Watcher worship and the ruling

3:04

Elites human misery and the collapse of civilization and finally the happy

3:10

ending of The Book of Revelation if you enjoy the Renaissance of men podcast thank you please like

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3:23

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3:36

this week's guest on the podcast the author of our godswar Spandex and the secret Sun blog Christopher

3:43

nolles Chris thanks so much for joining me on the podcast today oh great pleasure looking forward to it I've

3:50

really enjoyed uh following your tweets on Twitter or X I guess as as as they call it now I refuse to call it X I know

3:57

I just I can't bring myself to do it it's just not that uh and and but seeing the way that you tease out various

4:04

themes from uh the news cycle from things going on to say are you guys kind of paying attention to this so I I

4:09

always find that really informative to pick up on details and news stories um that I don't think a lot of other people

4:15

see well you know the devil's in the details right amen you gota you got to

4:22

pay attention to the details you know that's how they get you you know if you're not if you're not awake and aware

4:28

of the things that are kind of being slipped into your Consciousness um you know bad things can

4:35

arise you've have always got to be kind of vigilant as what you're being fed so

4:41

to speak so that's kind of you know a large impetus behind the work I

Christopher's Background in the Church

4:46

do and I want to talk about that um because I think it's really important a lot of people miss it but first I want

4:52

to talk a little bit about your background I got a little bit of a sense as we as we were kind of pregaming but maybe you can talk a little bit about

4:58

your history and how you came to doing the things that you're doing now oh that's you know 58 this year it's

5:05

like got to be a little more specific all right let's let's go with recent past like your your time in the comic

5:12

book industry and and uh and then how you got into this field of we'll call it Synchro mysticism um as well well not so

5:20

much the com I mean I did do some comic book work back in the 90s but for the P you know for most of my career 25 years

5:27

ending in 2020 I was uh freelancing for Marvel Studios

5:33

working on all the the stuff for the movies and everything oh the movie stuff okay yeah yeah um licensing and

5:40

Merchandising based on the movies so I did a lot of artwork um based on

5:47

Avengers Captain America all these things you know all these things that

5:52

I'd kind of cut my teeth on growing up and um you know I pursued my dream dreams

5:59

they always say pursue your dreams it's like I don't know if that's I think I probably would have been better off if I was like a carpenter or something yeah

6:07

right but you know I mean I I raised my family you know I raised three kids I've got three adult children now and uh one

6:15

grandchild and another one on the way so uh I I can't complain um it did a number

6:23

on me one thing they don't tell you in our school is that uh doing this work is strangely punishing on the body and a

6:31

lot of people who do illustration or cartooning or whatever get sick a lot

6:37

Die Young I can't explain it I don't understand the physiology behind it but

6:44

yeah I mean it was rough it was rough it was very stressful you know um but it it I

6:53

really think that doing the work that I had done which is very technical and very detail oriented really helped me in

7:00

the work that I do now because it it I had to pay attention to details I had to spend like hours and hours and hours

7:07

just looking at a single image you know and like trying to find the faults and the imperfections and all these kind of

7:14

things so it it really helped me train my eye you know it's like I have a very

7:19

highly trained eye for for detail but also for meaning and also for symbolism

Pagan Symbolism All Around Us

7:25

you know and one of the things that um I try to make people aware of and I I

7:31

think the Christians should be aware of is that we're constantly being bombarded with religious imagery it's just that

7:37

it's not a religion that people are necessarily aware of you know um it's

7:44

it's it's a range of for lack of a better term because I don't think the word is descriptive but a range of pagan

7:50

religions um yep that the symbols and and even in superheroes I mean that's

7:57

one of the reasons I wrote Our gods were spandex um but I was really made aware

8:02

of this funly Enough by working for Marvel so Marvel when I first started out they were um they're actually a

8:09

licens s called toy Biz okay and they were on like 2 Avenue in 38 Street so I had

8:16

to walk all the way from like Grand Central Station or whatever all the way down there and I really got to know this

8:24

that whole area around that you know gr which is just a huge Pagan Temple if you're familiar with that building

8:30

um I've been there but I don't know that I knew it's got Hermes and the whole Pantheon on the on the front of it and

8:35

so on but you know if you just walk through those neighborhoods you're going to see this you go into these lobbies of

8:41

these buildings I mean they they are like Pagan temples and that was re that was

8:46

really that experience you know being on the ground walking through New York City

8:52

every day um and just seeing all this symbolism that I I recognized from my

8:59

interest in mythology and stuff and seeing it you not being used as just sort of decorative but devotional and

9:07

and it really got me to to realize that people in positions of power do not

9:13

believe the same things that people outside of those corridors of

9:19

power believe that's right and they're very serious about it they don't spend all this money and time and effort

9:27

putting all the symbolism into their their buildings and their other other expressions of their work you know their

9:34

their corporate logos and so on you know for for giggles and grins they do it

9:39

because they believe it and the best example of this and if you're ever in New York just go to Rockefeller Center

9:46

because it's just an open air Pagan Temple okay oh yes you know what I mean

9:51

and you know you have that big quote unquote promethus uh statue near the uh the ice

9:56

skating rink that's actually a very classical depiction of mithis mithis rising from the rock

10:02

holding the flame escaping the bonds of time which is the the Zodiac that's wrapped around that has nothing to do

10:08

with prometh the only thing it has to do with Prometheus is that in late Antiquity some Romans started to

10:14

associate mithis with Prometheus but mithis is everywhere I mean mithis the

10:21

cap of mithis is on the official seal of the United States Senate this is the frian cap right yeah the frian cap um

10:28

the Statue of Liberty take a good look at the Statue of Liberty that's not a woman that is a man drag a woman for

10:35

sure that that is that is a depiction of the second degree of the mithraic rights

10:40

which was called nymus meaning the brides of Venus so these initiates would

10:47

dress up as women and you know this is a Christian podcast so I won't go into the

10:52

rest of it but this is still going on there's actually a um fairly powerful

10:59

Fraternity in New York called uh what it Beta Kappa fi you know fi Beta Kappa in

11:07

reverse and it's all these guys on Wall Street and corporate Giants and stuff

11:12

and it's the same ex it's very meic and and all the initiates have to dress and drag people like Mike Bloomberg are part

11:18

of it but Mike Bloomberg moved to mithraic Temple into his London

11:24

headquarters he went yeah yeah yeah he moved to methra Temple

11:30

into into into into his into his his his headquarters at his office the

11:35

headquarters uh Bloomberg headquarters in London the the basement is a m Temple

11:42

Bloomberg News well Bloomberg intern I mean it's a whole it's a whole

11:48

Consortium but um but mithis is you know

Lucifer, Mithras, and Perseus

11:54

people talk a lot about Lucifer and it's funny because I start to get like very annoyed because people start to throw these terms around but lucif Lucifer to

12:00

them is mythis because Lucifer was the God of Light like you know he brought you know literally brings the light in

12:06

the form of the um the fennel seeds that contain the fire and so on and so forth

12:12

so um it just seeing the stuff every day

12:19

in buildings where like the average rents per month were $10,000 or up and

12:27

so on and so forth I just Ed to realize that we're just living in a different

12:32

world and it's kind of like uh if you're familiar with the science fiction author Philip K dick he's you know he said the

12:39

Empire never ended and if you really want to see that in person just go into

12:44

Midtown New York and you'll just see it you'll just see it for yourself and it's not abstraction it's not like you have

12:50

to get out your little decoder ring or your you know your slide rule or whatever it's it's all right there it's

12:56

all in your face and people walk by it every day and they don't even realize it so that was a big part of um of our Gods

13:04

spanic which was also like how theosophy played a huge role in this that

13:09

theosophy was you know not only sort of the the birth of the New Age movement

13:15

but so all the stuff Star Wars Star Trek uh The Matrix

13:22

um Dune I mean all these these science fiction things that we're familiar with

13:28

they all can be be traced back to in some form or another to theosophy mhm

13:34

and so I was sort of researching that and it just goes on and on and on from

13:40

there and it just you start to realize that the masks change but beneath the

13:47

surface things don't change and you know the issue is that a lot of people people

13:53

have this sort of like adolescent act attitude like oh well hey man it's freedom and you know the church is

14:00

oppression and all this kind of stuff and it's like well yeah there are a lot of oppressive churches and there are

14:05

periods in time where the church has been you know highly oppressive but nothing compared to ancient Rome nothing

14:12

compared to the Pagan World which is just like you you are nothing you know

14:17

uh you you were just I mean in in Rome itself I mean at least a third of the population

14:25

were just slav that had no rights whatsoever mhm and you know you were

14:30

just completely disposable even if you weren't a slave even if you were a citizen I mean people just and it was

14:36

actually it's very interesting because the I had always been aware of this but the full appreciation of this was

14:41

reading a book by elain pagels called Adam and Eve and The Serpent and she really goes into how the early church

14:47

was I mean I hate to use this term but it was really a social justice movement because the ancient you know the ancient

14:53

Roman world was just so incredibly unjust and you had uh all the

14:59

this hereditary uh privilege and so on and just immense poverty um immense

15:07

hoarding of resources and so on and so forth so the the Christian church people really overlooked this was was really a

15:16

Liberation movement you know and in its own way yeah you know what I'm saying and it was very much about like taking

15:23

care of the poor feeding the poor setting up hospitals you know medicine and so on caring in for the sick caring

15:30

for the elderly because the Roman mind was just like you

15:35

know sink a swim you know social Darwinism which you know is is still

15:43

very much with us in the same strata let's just say the same strata where

15:49

it's just like they're trying to recreate a world where most of the labor

15:56

is done by noncitizens I.E slaves um so long and short of this I'm

16:03

sorry for just going on and on going on and on but the long and short of this is just like things just don't change at

16:10

their core the the externals change but they just don't change and interestingly

16:18

enough I mean I would say that the the one real change in

16:24

history was the Christian Movement and the the rise of the Christian Movement because for all the injustices of like

16:31

say of the Christian Roman era it was it again it was night and day compared to

16:36

the Pagan Roman era that's right so the rise of you know the rise of of

16:41

Christianity in the west has no parallel and it really was a

16:48

a game-changing moment and I I think that people sort of take that for granted I mean I think the problem is

16:55

that just it's like you become victims of your own success and something that J Tolkien said he said that you know you

17:02

can create a a perfect and just world and people become bored with it and that is a that is a you know that is a

17:09

human weakness that is just a fact of life is is boredom people just become bored with the

17:15

good unfortunately so anyhow no I mean that's the um that's the by the way

17:22

there's a ton there and I want to take that all apart because that was fantastic that really set the stage brilliantly um but I I want to

17:29

pull on that the tolken thread a bit because I remember that line in in The Matrix where agent Smith is saying to

17:35

Morpheus like the first Matrix was a perfect world right but your primitive programming or whatever kept rejecting

17:41

it and I've I've thought about this a lot like okay let's let's let's take the uh the Christian nationalist Vision not

17:47

that I want to get into the subject and let run it out let's go back to a really conservative traditional even patriarchal kind of world there's still

17:55

this impulse that would be within humans to like tear it down like it won't just be Utopia like there's there's always

18:02

going to be something within us I think that's going to generate this amount of like even if it's perfect like look at

18:07

Solomon look at Solomon in uh you know in his story you read you read the Old

18:12

Testament and you see the prosperity that that follows his entire Reign there's so much gold they don't even know what to do with it and then he goes

18:19

and he messes it all up and his son definitely messes it all up and that just seems to be the cycles of things

18:25

that maybe you're going to have some brief window brief Windows of time where you can establish peace and prosperity

18:31

but entropy will will take hold if only within within ourselves um and what you

18:37

frame with the Christian uh the Christian story is yes I think that there has been a a period of time where

18:43

Christianity was in the ascendancy and a relative amount of peace and prosperity was achieved but what you're also saying

18:49

when you said the Empire never ended that there's a counterforce to Christianity that a lot that is real

18:56

that's coordinated that's conscious that's all around us all the time in our movies and our TV shows in our our

19:03

public parks that is that is working at Crossways with Christianity is that what

19:09

I heared yeah yeah exactly no pun yeah no pun intended at all but yeah it's great it's it's human fallibility now

19:17

what really what it boils down to is I always try to boil it down to the basic psychology and it's it's ego and

19:24

narcissism because there are certain people you know you know it's who don't

19:29

if they don't have everything they feel like they have nothing okay they need to they need to

19:36

it's I don't know what it is is it spiritual is it psychological I mean

19:41

what does it even matter the difference you know or is there even really a difference right I deal with that

19:47

question all the time right so it's just a question of like people you know need

19:52

to be the top dog you know people need to feel like they're at at the top of the Heap and like I said if if somebody

19:59

else has something they feel threatened by that now we live in a world of of tremendous abundance you

20:06

know creation right I mean it is filled with abundance there is enough for everyone there's enough land there's

20:13

enough water there's enough food for everyone on the planet okay but the

20:18

problem is is that all of a sudden it just gets to be like well you know if everybody else is is is got a little bit

20:27

you know I feel threatened by that cuz you know I need to have it all you know

20:32

which I think I mean I can't really think of a Biblical parallel for that um but to me

20:40

it always sort of boils down to you know Christ in the wilderness you know all these kingdoms shall be yours right and

20:47

it's just that is the Temptation that's the temptation of of of Satan and Satan

20:52

to me you know and this is again another thing that I think about like you know I said that Lucifer is is act you know to

20:58

the people people who we call luciferians Lucifer's methis okay uh and

21:03

this also brings in the metric system so I I don't want to get that wait a minute

21:09

don't I'm not letting that one go this one I have to hear lufer mythis and the metric system well you know Metra Metra

21:18

M no but it sounds crazy right but like so metric mithraic but so this is just

21:25

like a little joke I was telling myself for years and then I went go well let me go back and look at their symbolis because the symbolism always tells you

21:31

the story and then you look at the the official seal of you know the group or

21:37

the convention or the body that created and and instituted the metric system and

21:42

there's miths and drag with the Fran cap plain as day right there front and center so yeah and the drag part is

21:51

really important too and I think that really plays into a lot of the stuff that we're seeing in society these days

21:56

it's not it is a relig mhm people need to realize that and I don't think they do people just think oh

22:03

it's just some weird perversion or some weird no you know I don't know people

22:11

are just need need for novelty or something it's not it's it's an very

22:16

very ancient religion that is in the Bible all over the place that what they call the kesim okay the kesim and

22:24

actually Paul had a word for them as well uh what is it arenoi I think that's the word in

22:31

Greek also it's homosexual that's what that's the word for homosexual that's it's that's that's an incorrect trans or

22:39

not incorrect translation but it's an incomplete translation it's crossdressing Pro Temple

22:45

prostitutes that we see throughout the ancient world we see you know ashir um

22:51

asteroth Ishtar adag guardis I me it's all the

22:57

same goddess it's all the same figure I mean all these different name you know so it would go to Syria it would go to

23:03

you know Lebanon it would go to North Africa whatever and would pick up these different names but it's all basically

23:09

the same figure and it's it's a goddess that is associated with um well they say

23:15

love but it's really lust okay lust and War but also and it's funny because

23:22

people get really mad at when me when I say this and it's just like read your history you know never mind the Bible

23:28

just go back and read your history it's it's all right there mhm people just are so in Curious these days because

23:34

everything is about the tribe everything is about tribalism everything is about

23:39

go ahead but say more about tribe just to unpack the idea well the idea is

23:46

that with the with the fall of Christendom let's just say okay and the

23:52

fall of the idea of the nation state where now it's Imperial Empire ERS are

24:00

always uh incubators for tribalism because you've got a bunch of people shoved together who have nothing in

24:07

common who are all competing for the same jobs same resources and so on so it really boils down to you know who is

24:14

like me who's going to watch my back the people who are going to watch my back are the people who are most like

24:20

me and this is what when you read in the Bible the whole idea of the Ecclesia you

24:27

know the people who come out out of the Nations and form this new you know this

24:32

new I don't want to say tribe but you know the church the body of Christ they come out they come out of and this is

24:38

what you know why Paul preached to the Gentiles right because he UND Paul un

24:44

Paul was a genius just an absolute genius right and he UND but he was also

24:50

living He also came from Tarsus which was a hub of mithraism which is interesting but he also um he also

24:58

understood the psychology of the Empire because he had to he lived within it and

25:05

he was you know he also was was he a Pharisee or sadducee he was a Pharisee and a Roman citizen okay exactly so um

25:13

you know so he had a deep understanding of these things and like I said since Paul was a

25:21

reformer a social reformer he understood that in this this world that in which he

25:27

lived in where everybody was just shoved together and it was just this this mess this roing cauldron of of people and

25:35

beliefs and attitudes and customs and so on he understood that there needed to be

25:41

something to to bind people together but it needed to be something new okay he

25:47

needed it needed to be something new and this is where the idea of the Ecclesia comes in and there's there I mean

25:54

there's a lot of controversy among Scholars that you know this isn't what what Christ taught so on and so forth

26:00

but you know Paul's my guy I just think he was just an amazing order and even when I

26:07

was feeling like kind of hostile towards the church and we can get into why that was but um I I I've always just had a

26:14

tremendous uh appreciation for for for his genius

26:20

because we are still living in the in the vestages of the world that Paul made

26:26

because Paul understood that you know things needed to be new they

26:31

needed to be a new covenant do you understand what I'm saying so there you go well there's so you had mentioned

26:39

before we started talking that um that uh that you could keep up talking Bible with the best of them and you're definitely you're definitely right about

26:45

that so so that you and that you grew up with a very religious background and so I think that's uh I think that's I think

26:52

that's that's that's coming out right now in a way that that is helpful for me I'm familiar with a lot of of the the

26:59

symbolism because before I came to Christ in 2020 I spent 20 years in the new age and I had gotten into Western

27:05

occultism starting in it must have been 2013 and so that was a you know after

27:10

after years of like Eastern mysticism and then psychology then I got into Western occultism and started studying

27:16

all the symbols and looking around and seeing them everywhere as part of like a mystery school you know and actually

27:21

taking formal training and so I know that there's reality behind everything that you're talking about I know about

27:27

Helena blat I know about the theosophical society I know about Crowley and like people look at this and

27:33

I think I think the person who probably did the best job with it was a uh in and not in the best way is Anton L like he

27:39

puts on this this corny kind of like McDonald's costume and everyone just Associates this with like oh this is

27:45

just cheesy you know what I mean just it's an icon but there's reality to all

27:51

this people believe this stuff they practice the stuff it is their life it is their faith and it is all about power

27:57

and I and I can tell you that it's very very real and and I I find that Christians don't understand that and

28:03

when you try to let them know they just like ah that can't be true right but you've seen it's it's the lack of the

28:09

supernatural worldview yes okay let's let's talk let's talk about that too and then maybe also your background in the

28:14

church also if you want to want to get into that and then we can start getting into some some other fun topics that have come up well where do you want to

28:20

start I mean should we start beginning let's start at the beginning let's go all the way back okay uh let's see uh

28:29

not to one like when I was an embryo right no no back to genes Genesis one

28:34

yeah Genesis one okay no um so I I had

28:39

uh I I consider it a blessing and a privilege that um I

28:48

had Fairly not only uh serious but also

28:54

conservative in the in the good way where it was like focused on the the

28:59

traditions and the teachings of the church and not on you know um hangliding and and rock bands and you know all that

29:08

kind of stuff laser light show baptism yeah exactly so but the thing is is that

29:13

we had um so it was a church called Parkway United Methodist Church Milton

29:20

Massachusetts and we had uh this preacher Nam uh Reverend Riley Shirley

29:26

and I think he was from I think he was from Kentucky maybe from Kentucky but um

29:33

he was like you talk about like the return of of masculinity I mean forget

29:39

it this dude was like he was a captain in the Army when he was 21 bronze star two purple hearts uh and then he got his

29:46

PhD but he was also like a good man like a good like a real like you know a good

29:52

man who doesn't feel the need to puff puff himself up you know like um

29:58

confident but not arrogant you know um just

30:04

uh I just you know it's just amazing to me and but the problem is that it kind of spoiled me too I mean one of my

30:10

problems a lot in life is just being spoiled by like having these incredible

30:15

experiences when I was young and and you know having you know pastor Shirley in

30:21

my life because my mother was the you know the church organist and the um the choir director so

30:28

like we we got there at like 7 o'clock in the morning and it would be like you know sitting around waiting for Sunday

30:35

school to start Sunday school and then like uh you know church service would be like two hours and then we'd have

30:42

like fellowship and then we'd go to my grandmother's house for dinner and then we'd have Youth fellowships and that

30:48

would be so basically like all day all day kind of experience but it was great

30:54

it was amazing it was a beautiful Church very Gothic traditional uh we had this

30:59

incredible strong capable confident super intelligent

31:05

Pastor um it was very much a family feeling you know it was very it wasn't

31:12

it was a it was fairly large church but it wasn't so large like a mega church where you just feel like you're in a in

31:18

a shopping mall or something MH it was small enough to give you a sense of like

31:24

everybody knew each other and everybody kind of looked out for each other's kids and stuff so it was great it was um and

31:31

then we had a basketball team and then my my uncle you know talk about masculine my uncle is like the dudes

31:37

dude of all dudes I mean just like big bronny muscular guy um started

31:44

working on cars when he was in junior high school you know opened his own body shop when he was you know well actually

31:51

no he started working doing bodyw work in Boston this big uh place called nepon

31:57

at Lincoln Mercury when he was 14 this guy's like banging out chassis and stuff when he's 14 years old I mean just like

32:04

CR you know but also like very devout too so it's like these incredible uh

32:10

incredible influences on me like I said like it was great but it also kind of spoiled me um but you know and we also

32:19

like so Sunday school and you learn the Bible you didn't go like coloring pictures of Noah you know what I'm

32:25

saying right it was like even from like a young age it's like I remember when I

32:31

was I think what grade I was in I think I was in like sixth or seventh grade but um you know we would have debates you

32:38

know like the the uh the Sunday school teacher would split us up into two groups and we had to like I don't know

32:45

focus on a particular passage of scripture or something and we had to like debate it like we had to like

32:51

defend it like you know you know what I'm saying it was it was really an amazing experience and um but

32:58

unfortunately pastor Shirley um got swept you know he got he got got

33:04

plucked out from a little little Haven some big there like some Metropolitan

33:11

Church in Boston you know this it was sort of like a Proto um mega church I guess he was too good

33:19

not too good I mean he was like I said he was a humble man but it's just like he he had a greater calling let's just

33:25

say but um and then we got the typical milk

33:32

toast you know semi agnostic nothing Minister and like the

33:39

church just died yeah just died but the here's another interesting thing talking

33:44

about about that um we were very closely associated with Eastern nazarine College

33:49

are you familiar with the nazarin no okay so Nazarene was actually a split off in the Methodist Church like much

33:55

you know it was like they kind of felt like the Methodist were getting a little too cozy with the mainstream and they you know so we were like much more sort

34:02

of on that Nazarene kind of spectrum like more I don't want to say to the left or the

34:08

right but more like more Orthodox more conservative and so on and um and that's

34:13

where our youth pastors came from and they were all great and then we had these um you I just it's just like such a

34:22

privilege you know it really was it was it was so amazing but like I said at the end of the sav then it just dies and and

34:29

you're all just sort of sitting around like going well what do we do now you know what I mean like what what next and

34:36

I think this is this is I think this is a major problem and I think it always has been a major problem for the

34:42

church and it kind of ties into what you were talking about before you know um

34:48

our time in Eden let's just say and um so then I became you know I

34:54

got involved in like the the hardcore punk scene in Boston and so on became you know I was always kind of semif

35:01

feral latchy kid and church was like literally like the only structure I had in my life for real

35:10

for real it was like literally the only structure I had in my life so when I had kids and like shortly after my second

35:16

son was born I was like well I got to find a church I got to raise these kids in

35:23

church and when we get into the synchronistic stuff it there's a very heavy synchronistic in influence here

35:30

but I I didn't realize how much the church had changed yeah in those 20

35:35

years or whatever how how many years like say well actually only 13 years you know

35:42

decade plus the church had just completely changed so I was checking out the in I

35:48

was checking out these churches and then like a lot of the woke stuff started coming in like really

35:53

early like particularly like the Episcopal Churches I mean

36:00

oh face pal serious face palom but so I was talking to I forget who I was

36:05

talking to about just recently but so what had happened is that you know so I really wanted to get into church but I was really in in in a situation where

36:12

like I'm I'm working in New York in the Arts where everybody is universally and

36:19

inextricably hostile to the church to to Christ to to Christianity to everything

36:24

so I'm kind of like in the between the devil and the deep blue sea because I had absolutely no support system and

36:30

and but there was like a really good pastor at the local church here just a saint of a man Prince um and he was kind

36:40

of like he was kind of holding down the fort like trying to keep the the you know the church on on on a keel there

36:49

but nobody nobody like the I would go there and like nobody would say hello

36:55

nobody would say oh you're new here you know what's you know what what you know where are you from like just the normal

37:02

things that you do in normal human society and I remember like I thought well maybe I'll volunteer so I'd

37:07

volunteer to like you know help paint the basement and stuff nobody said anything to me I I might as well just

37:13

been a ghost and I was just so um I felt

37:21

betrayed you know because I was putting myself out there I was like putting myself out on a limb for this and

37:28

aside from the pastor who was great like I said

37:34

I just very cold like it's like their Spirits had gone cold and they didn't

37:39

understand like here's this young guy full of energy you know got a young family uh you

37:45

know somebody who could really help grow this congregation you know I mean

37:51

just I don't want to sound I'm saying humbly and modestly but somebody who is

37:57

willing to put in the work to help grow this Con to do what it took to help grow this congregation yep and it's like

38:02

nobody would even talk to me mhm I'm not exaggerating no one would the only

38:08

person who did talk to me besides the pastor was this woman who I was in discipleship class with she was the only

38:14

literally the only person in this entire Congregation of I don't know two or 300

38:21

people something like that who would even who would even say hello to me mhm

38:27

like what what is that what is that will like what is that is that is that's it's

38:32

a social club do you see what I'm saying that's

38:37

I've had I've had similar experiences and I I unfortunately that was like the best of the

38:44

lot for real you know because I I I you know tried a bunch of different churches

38:50

and it was even worse so it I it put me into this real kind of crisis mode

38:56

because I'm thinking like okay so I'm going to be facing ostracism from my peers yeah you

39:04

know at the same time that I'm getting zero

39:11

support from the church zero you know well like I I said aside from the pastor

39:16

so it's like well you know I didn't want to let go so I started like reading like you know Gnostic fanfic which that's all

39:22

it is Gnostic Gospels are just fanfic yeah absolutely you know it's just like

39:27

it's just fanfic and you know and then I don't know it just kind

39:33

of It kind of like put me into a little bit of a tail spin but I I'm by I'm sure

The Meaning of a Church Sanctuary

39:38

I'm by no means alone right no means alone and uh you

39:44

know like so there was like a pretty pretty active and still is like a big Baptist

39:50

Church here right but like so I I checked that out but it was just like it one of these things were like just too

39:58

many people it's just too overwhelming but it was also the kind of thing with like the video screens and the rock

40:04

music and the you know and it's like I'm sort of like well that's that's fine for the

40:11

secular world but it's just like this is supposed to be literally a sanctuary I mean that's why they call it a sanctuary

40:17

because this is where you're supposed to go come out of the world and you know study the gospel and sort

40:25

of Shield yourself from from all those outside influences for a little while MH

40:30

and my problem you know I don't again I don't want to put out any of these churches or whatever but I I just felt

40:36

like that was not they were there to entertain

40:41

people and you know maybe it's better that they're entertained well certainly better that be entertained in that

40:46

context than in the secular context right but um yeah so that kind of um but

40:54

I don't know like sometimes I feel like um I don't want to say the Wandering Jew but just s like you know what I'm like

41:00

I'm an exile like that was my mission to be be put in Exile I mean maybe that's that's what it is I don't know I I you

41:06

know I'm not going to try to guess the mind of God but it was

41:12

um but I did a lot of studying I mean even you know because I I got into like the nonic stuff and I was just like this

41:19

doesn't make any sense no it really doesn't it really doesn't you know so

41:25

but so I I was still doing a lot of study and I was really really interested in the early church you know so I did a lot of study on the early church like

41:31

origin and Clement and people like that uh tulan and everything like that I was

41:37

really interested in like the early church fathers uh what is it John

41:42

cam people like that I was I was really interested I was really interested in like how did this movement so this is

41:49

like well after I sort of felt like I'd just been rejected that's that's what it felt

41:56

that's exactly what I'm just realizing this now I felt rejected MH and how many people today is

42:05

the church losing because people just won't take the time to just go up and

42:10

say hello to somebody say hello to a stranger comes into their congregation right you with me a thousand per

42:19

yeah so um but but there was one other one other

42:25

thing that and this is sort of like the the 800 PB gorilla in the room is that so my solution this is that I I around

42:33

the same time so this is like mid 1993 or so I got online and I I and I was

42:40

like I got on AOL and I was like oh my this like they because they like oh there's all these like Christian message

42:46

groups or or you know message boards and and chat rooms and all the stuff and it's like this this will be my new

42:53

church right and I went in there and it was just like nothing but anger and

42:58

vitriol and hatred and like no you're a heretic no you're a heretic and like you

43:04

know here's 50 Bible verses that say that you know if you're um you know well let's just say I don't

43:10

know if you're a Pentecostal you know instead of a Baptist you know you're you're actually doing Satan's work or

43:17

whatever and I was just like I couldn't believe it I couldn't

43:22

believe my eyes because I had no experience with this stuff because like I said we had a pastor who kind of like

43:27

really was a strong man who shielded us from this this chaos that was starting

43:33

to build up in the 70s right and uh I was just absolutely horrified will

43:40

absolutely horrified I I cannot begin to like my my stomach muscles are kind of

43:45

like like my abdomen is starting to like tense up right now just by the memory of this like just how and again it's that

43:52

sense of betrayal mhm do you understand what I'm saying so so here's the thing so it's like no support in my in my

44:00

daily life total hostility to the church complete indifference from the physical

44:06

church and then the online church and online of course is the the operative word here because that it encourages the

44:13

worst behavior in people just an absolute bedum absolute bedum and you

44:20

know it's funny because I saved a lot of those old like message boards and stuff CU that stuff is all flushed on the

44:26

digital toilet now all that MH and it's just like I was looking at

44:31

this stuff a few few months ago and I was just like oh that's what happened just rage and un Christlike Behavior to

44:40

the extreme you with me yeah I I get all of

44:45

this so you know unfortunately all of these things that were discuss you know those

44:52

three those three mortal blows that I suffer mhm you know um are really all part and

45:02

parcel endemic to postmodern America yes okay

45:10

and then you know but so later on I discovered people like uh you know um You probably don't know any of these

45:16

names because this is like back in the early 2000s like this guy named visigoth who I became friendly with a Christian

45:21

conspiracy uh podcaster and then Derek and Sharon Gilbert you know who later

45:27

went to work for Tom Horn and so on and um but I just kind of felt like um even

45:34

though I just was always pulled like a magnet like you know I'm like this little iron filing being pulled to

45:40

towards the magnet of Christ right but there that you know you're being blocked

45:45

there are all these obstacles in your way and I would say that if anybody truly cares about the church and truly

45:52

cares about Christ and the future of the church these problems need to be addressed they need to be addressed they

45:59

have to be because there are so many people that the church is losing I mean

46:05

and like these online Bubbles and like the you know the ortho Bros and whatever you know Bible Bros and everything like

46:11

that it's just like they live in these little tiny bubbles and they just don't understand how tiny these bubbles are

46:18

and how hostile and inhospitable the world outside is like you were saying

46:23

that there are all these forces arrayed against them that have they hold all the cards well all of

46:29

them okay at least in in the the temporal sphere right you know as far as

46:36

temporal power influence money you name it the the the force is hostile to the

46:41

church control of the deck and you know I just see this whole

46:48

process happening again I see it and I'm not kidding well my my my throat starts

46:54

to close up you know with just the anxiety this it's just

47:00

like is it people you know Christians is or or nominal Christians

47:07

or whatever I don't you know I don't want to say what's in people's hearts but people who claim to be

47:13

Christian you know forget about the whole be a light unto the

47:19

Nations be an Exemplar see and that's the whole thing with both Christ and

47:24

Paul it's like set the example Le walk the talk you with me you know

47:31

what I'm saying like walk the talk live it live it live it and it's like and it's

47:37

like and you know all throughout this there's a there's a uh there's a

47:42

theology Professor who has a bunch of Talks on YouTube you know going through

47:48

all the gospels and so on and and he really goes into like the history and like what is the context of what is the

47:54

social social conditions in which these books are WR written how did people live how did people think what did these words actually mean so on and so forth

48:01

because that's another problem is that people think that you can sit down with the Bible and translate into vernacular

48:09

English without any of the historical context of how these people thought how they lived how they they they used these

48:16

words do you understand what I'm saying yeah so I'm sorry I'm sorry to just keep

48:22

babbling on but it's like you can tell I'm passionate about it so um but it's like I I I really do have to say because

48:30

it's like I and it's very personal to me because it's like I had really really messed up childhood

48:38

and like like I said the church and my grandmother my grand my grandmother who was lived to be over a 100 and was just

48:47

very devout and like I said Walk The Talk um I you know I wanted that back in

48:52

my life and I just didn't realize how much the world had changed and then sort of like well why is the world changed MH

48:59

and that's sort of maybe that's the secret impetus behind my work you know who who who is pulling the strings and

49:06

what what are they saying and and what are they doing to make us you know Fall

49:13

Away how did we get here how did I get here get how do we get here well well

49:18

that's go ahead go ahead you you do all the talking now no no I mean like the question is not the question of how did

49:25

we get here that a lot of people are asking is also the question how did I get here because I think we all

49:32

recognize that we are responding or and reacting to certain uh

49:38

historical social economic conditions that are on the ground right like and

49:43

and so we're we're processing the world around us with the with the framework and information that we have the relationships we have whatever these

49:50

conditions are like okay how do I make the best possible decision I I think that's a a lot of people are trying to

49:55

do they're not great at it and then they and then they do that throughout a lifetime maybe without necessarily a

50:00

concrete plan because you know it was basically Our Generation where the the traditional path was all but demolished

50:07

or certainly after us like we're both like Generation X right so like the Millennials they they didn't get that so

50:13

we had the last vestages of the old world like I I sent you that video um that my my buddy Sean sent me about like

50:20

what life was like before smartphones and you just yeah well you just talked you just talked about how you get on the

50:26

internet in 1993 I got on at around the same time I think it was 91 '92 when I got a modem 2400 bod modem you know yes

50:35

yeah yeah you get a 9600 B modem and it's like oh man this is really fast you

50:40

know what I mean rocket ship yeah yeah and so someone's got a 144 whoa you know

50:46

so so I remember all this I remember bbs's I remember America online I remember all that and it was it was a

50:52

different world and that world was demolished right and it was demol it's been demolished in our life times and we

50:58

have had to respond to it the the the baby baby boomer generation has not had to respond too much their trajectory was

51:04

already set you know when when things first started the control demolition began in 2001 right they had already had

51:10

a number of a number of decades and they were on cruise control by that point we can talk about that too but the rest of us have had to figure out well okay how

51:18

did I get here how did we get here what's going on and put the pieces together in the ways that we know how

51:23

and I believe a lot of people are doing that I I don't know I know how else we can answer the question because it can't

51:29

be entirely because of our own our own incompetence or our own blindness or our own ignorance I I really don't believe

51:35

that of course we're all Sinners and we all have our blind spots right and we all have we all have our flaws that is

51:40

true but there are too many good-hearted good intentioned you know you know what I mean like they mean well or at least

51:47

they're trying to do the best they can that have found themselves caught up in the blender of you know the past 15

51:52

years it's like well how do how did Society become a blender when did we go from living in a in a society living in

51:58

a blender and so we take these apart these things apart with our own interests and

52:03

perspectives well a lot of it is like I said the Empire yeah the so there had

Strong Men Are A Threat To the Empire

52:10

always been this push and pull between America as an Empire and America as a nation and

52:15

I think after 911 there was I mean this was pretty much explicit no we are an Empire now

52:23

and we're going to behave like an Empire and you know Empires do certain things the empires don't like unified populaces

52:31

they don't like strong men strong men are a threat to the to the Empire they they do whatever they can to weaken men

52:38

strong men there you go they don't like um people to be healthy and happy because healthy and

52:46

happy people don't buy junk that's right okay and you know I

52:52

guess the only difference between the pre- 911 world the post1 world is that all these sort of things that maybe more

53:00

Fringe and mostly on the left ironically enough people on the left are kind of like pointing out that you know

53:05

consumerism uh materialism you know American Empire violence and so on and so forth um you know it they came to be

53:15

embraced it's like this is yeah this is what we're doing now we're doing Empire

53:21

now yeah and I think that's actually a direct quote from somebody we're doing Empire now and uh it's G it's the

53:29

problem is the problem is is that

53:35

technology you know I I've always said that like the stronger our tools become the weaker our bodies become and the

53:42

stronger our computers become become you know our thinking machines become the weaker our minds become because we

53:49

become dependent on this and this is no more clear

53:57

or apparent than in the elites because the elites have been you know all the

54:03

earlyer adopters right I mean they've been living on all this stuff their entire lives now and nobody it it really

54:12

does remind you know does that whole meme like you know are you thinking about Rome every day it's like I think

54:18

about Rome all the time man I have for like decades okay and a lot but

54:24

interestingly enough I mean my my interest in in ancient Rome came out of my interest in the early church mhm you

54:30

know it really was cuz I I wanted to understand like why these these Church fathers thought the way that they did

54:37

why they saw the world as they did why they saw you know metaphysical ideas of

54:43

good and evil as they did they were all very compelling reasons for that you know these people were not Fanatics you

54:49

know that's the other thing too it's like oh they were all just like Fanatics like no they weren't these were guys

54:54

these were philosophers these were very intelligent men who you know who you know really relied on reason as as you

55:02

know the the top you know tool in their kit bag it was it was all about reasoning know come let us reason

55:08

together right so um so I I do think about rot because you know but this is

55:14

really where I started to see that everything is cyclical and I think it's it's human

55:20

nature nature is cyclical or more accurate you know I I like to use the

55:25

term creation now uh you know for for some esoteric reasons but I I do prefer the term

55:32

creation now but like nature is part of creation is is cyclical you know and I

55:37

think that the ideas and again I'm I'm sorry I'm I'm sure I'm going to found somebody

55:43

but the ideas of dispensationalism where it's just this this straight line going in this linear

55:50

fashion I I you know that is that's men's idea because we we are born we

55:56

live and we die I don't think that's God's idea I think that God you know it's the seasons you know for everything

56:04

there's a season what is that Ecclesiastes right so I think that

56:09

um in order to really understand where we are we have to be very clear-minded

56:15

about like you said how we got there and it's like the first chapter of the Endless American in mind is is where we

56:21

are and how we got here MH because I was talking about a lot that book is like me

56:27

me talking about um the new atheist movement remember that oh yeah and all

56:33

of a sudden Richard Dawkins is like no I'm a cultural Christian oh really are we now are we now Richard convenient oh

56:42

you know a little buyer's remorse huh buddy yeah oh yeah but you know and then more even after I wrote that book I did

56:49

some more digging and I oh who was funding this guys oh it was the Jeffrey Epstein Network oh oh what are the odds

56:57

oh no way what are the odds who who was paying for all these people you know who was paying for all these symposia and

57:02

all these uh meetings and all these big parties and all these things that were these people were being basically read

57:08

their marching orders oh was Jeffrey Epstein and his buddies you know all his little friends there and uh and

57:15

interestingly enough a lot of it you know as nefarious as as it sounds and it should sound so a lot of it was this

57:22

whole it was delusion because there was this guy named John Brockman who had this whole idea of like the third the

57:28

third culture and that we would build a culture now on Science and

57:35

Technology okay and that's you really see that starting in the early 90s with

57:41

the whole explosion of the internet and computers and so on and then you

57:47

know the worldwide web and all these kind of things so this was all deliberate and then you did you just

57:53

start to realize that that things are not you know things like of this nature are not organic you know things things

58:00

happen like that because people make them happen like that and they make them happen like that because they have

58:05

ulterior motives for those things to happen like that and so we while we do have this this Epstein layer and this

58:11

whole you know Singularity and transhumanism just all this utter

58:16

nonsense just absolute anti-scientific Ridiculousness we also have these

58:23

Cults who who I would argue are at the um at the uh at the top of the Heap like

58:32

I said Mike Bloomberg with his mithraic Temple why does he have a who who does

58:38

that why would you do that because not only does he have a Mythic temple in the basement it's it's historical by the way

58:45

but he had it moved from its original location into his building why would you do that you know

58:52

what I'm saying and this to me this is the this is the luciferianism M this you know what people call luciferianism it

58:59

is you know if you really want to nail it down what it actually is it's it's

59:05

methra and it all has to do with salvation through technology okay yeah um but it's also

59:13

about escaping the bonds of time and that's what Mi mithis Rising above the Zodiac

59:20

that's what that symbolizes is is escaping

59:26

you know the way they saw the archons which were actually the plan you know you hear that term from gnosticism but

59:32

it really originally meant the planets you know because there was this whole idea through astrology that the planets

59:37

you know were manifestations of the Gods and they controlled our Destinies and so on and here's another interesting thing

59:43

because you know if you've ever been around the conspiracy sphere you'll hear a lot about the stuff about Saturn y

59:49

okay now again I I I just would read this stuff and I'm just like what are they talking about like because really

59:56

what Saturn is to what Saturn was to the Ancients and what people don't realize is that it was the outermost Planet they

1:00:04

didn't know about uh uranos or or Neptune or PL I you know I still count

1:00:10

Pluto as a planet but um because I'm old uh they didn't know about Saturn was it

1:00:15

Saturn was the outermost so if you got past Saturn your soul was free and you could travel the cosmos

1:00:22

because that's how they that's how they viewed you know their their afterlife or their

1:00:29

desired afterlife is not to go to to the underworld hadti sticks you know shiel

1:00:34

whatever tardus but to escape past Saturn get past Saturn you know the Taskmaster the

1:00:41

timekeeper and your soul was free to travel Among the Stars and you you're probably familiar with this whole line

1:00:47

of thinking with the work that Graham Hancock and Robert balda in the 9s with the Great Pyramids the shafts being

1:00:53

aligned with Orion and Sirus and so on but this was this was pretty much Universal and um you know I mean even

1:01:02

the gnostics believe this you know it's like your soul needs to escape the planets and so on so it can

1:01:08

travel amongst the Stars so there are you know very um

1:01:14

powerful impulses behind this and it's old and a lot of it's tied up in drugs

1:01:21

particularly hallucinogenic drugs I mean the mythra the mithraic religions

1:01:26

if you read the mithraic Liturgy it's it's it's the whole thing starts off with a recipe for making hallucinogenic

1:01:32

drugs and then you then you're like literally abducted by flying saucer you

1:01:38

got to read that thing because it's just like just what what are you talk what is the mithraic initiation rights or

1:01:44

something like that the mithraic Liturgy it was found in the Paris codex right uh

1:01:49

what they call the PGM and um you read it and it's it's it's freaky

1:01:58

it's freaky because it all starts off with like you know mixing the herbs and spices and so on and I'm sure the the Greek translations for that were all

1:02:04

about like the specific things that you're using but then like you're drawn up into the air and this beam of light

1:02:10

and you there's this like ship that's a disc and it's got doors it's it's UFO Abduction oh my goodness 2,000 years ago

1:02:18

brother 2,000 years ago I I looked up by the way the mythra the the the mithum is

1:02:24

a thing in London it's like it's presented as a museum like this isn't some this isn't like so the UN has a

1:02:30

meditation room with a giant like hunk of iron you know what I mean and this kind of weird Stak it's a place for all

1:02:36

religions to meet you know that I've looked into that and so I but you had to go digging to kind of find the meditation room at the UN so I went

1:02:43

looking for the London you know Bloomberg mithis Temple it's like it's a whole museum like it's a whole big it's

1:02:49

a whole big thing they're celebrating it in your face yeah one of my patrons went you know was when we went to London and

1:02:55

he went down there and he took pictures of for me oh my goodness and it's freaky but there's there's another element I

1:03:01

want to bring in here and this again this is a lot of your listeners I'm sure they already think I'm just like this

1:03:06

Heathen black backslider and so on I'm just GNA have to live with that no no I would but I want to I what I think a lot

1:03:13

of listeners will say is they will see their own story reflected in you I have encountered many people men and women

1:03:19

like you who have talk talked about the church long before I came along and and how churches abandon bet tray treated

1:03:27

their treated their children the generations terribly so I think they'll don't don't feel that way cuz I've I've talked to a lot of people that share

1:03:33

similar versions of that story but please continue I appreciate that very much but there's another element that

Watcher Worship and the Ruling Elites

1:03:39

that needs to be brought into this and this is something that IAL you probably see me talk a lot of a lot and a lot of

1:03:45

people go like what are you talking about but that's the Watchers because I think that's see the

1:03:51

Watchers is something that arose in like sort of the post Old Testament pre- New

1:03:57

Testament period and and it's recounted in the book of First Enoch and actually there are sort of

1:04:04

references throughout the New Testament to the book of First Enoch right and this was a you know an

1:04:12

apocal um Jewish apocalyptic text yep

1:04:17

okay and I you have to be kind of careful with a lot of these terms because there wasn't like a universal

1:04:26

you know it wasn't like the Vatican you know there was the temple in Jerusalem but there was just you know you had like

1:04:31

all these different sects and so on I mean even within the you know you had the S Sadducees Pharisees so on and so forth but anyhow um the watch Angels so

1:04:40

this is B based on Genesis 6:4 the the sons of God and the daughters of men and

1:04:45

so on and so forth now the writers of Enoch just went to town with that and it

1:04:52

was the whole thing like this host of angels I think there was a hundred and they descend on Mount Hermon in

1:04:58

Lebanon and each each one of the the rulers of the host I think they were

1:05:04

like 13 or something they they you know they taught you know men weapons and

1:05:11

writing and meteorology and you know all these Technologies

1:05:16

basically but the problem is since this was being written in the context of the

1:05:21

Neo Assyrian Empire which was just like the most depraved and bloody and violent Empire

1:05:29

that we've probably seen you know the the writers of Enoch was saying you know this that the the gifts of the Watcher

1:05:37

Angels you know not only brought about the the rise of the Nephilim which I'm sure most of your listeners are familiar

1:05:43

with the Giants right um but also just constant Warfare that what men did with

1:05:49

the with these technologies that they got from the watch Angels was just

1:05:55

engage in incessant Warfare so but but but but so you talked

1:06:02

about the UN meditation room okay so you probably know the involvement of Alice

1:06:08

Bailey and the lucus trust I'm sure you came across them in your your pre-christian days right oh oh no I I

1:06:15

came across some afterwards but yeah Alice Bailey Andy bassant yeah yeah I know about all them well Alice so so

1:06:22

Alice Bailey is a little bit different so she splits off so what what you have in the early 20th century is that the

1:06:28

the theosophist are very involved in like Hindu nationalism and so on and then they find this boy named Christian

1:06:35

myty say yeah is the Lord mraa is the Christ child and so on and so forth and

1:06:40

that sort of like yeah that thing just sort of like falls on its face so in the

1:06:46

wake of that in the wake of that he resigned he quit he's like I'm not doing I'm not I'm not going to be the world

1:06:51

savior right yes yes yes yes um good for him but um so Alice Bailey starts the

1:06:58

Lucifer's publishing company and again that's mithis um but if you I actually

1:07:04

went back and I it's probably because I'm just deeply masochistic or something

1:07:09

but I actually read her writings because it's I mean you know all the stuff with

1:07:15

like um space brothers and fifth-dimensional Ascension like all the stuff that you

1:07:21

see in the new age that all comes from that period right and but but what she

1:07:26

does so she puts all that nonsense in there with like just all this Proto New Age um pseudo science and so on but

1:07:34

she's talking about the Watchers and she's saying the Watchers were the good guys and that you know the Bible and the

1:07:39

Book of Enoch got it wrong that they were sent by God you know that they fell

1:07:45

that they sacrificed themselves to fall to Earth to

1:07:50

bring you know this Consciousness to to Mankind and this technology to mankind

1:07:56

so they are actually the good guys and they're coming back okay so there's what

1:08:02

they call I forget what she I think she calls it like the first Watcher which you know would be Lucifer AKA mithis

1:08:09

whatever but I just started and it it came to me in a very roundabout way that

1:08:14

we don't have time to talk about but I it suddenly made sense to me that watch

1:08:20

your worship was really the unifying theme

1:08:26

that United all these different factions of the western ruling Elites who which sounds which sounds

1:08:33

kind of extreme and so on but because what there's there's a certain genius to it because in the in the Bible says you

1:08:39

know that the Nephilim were the the the men of renown the heroes of old right so

1:08:45

what that what that does is that that folds in all the ancient pantheons So

1:08:50

within the context of The Watcher Angels you can say well these you know these

1:08:56

it's basically like Lucifer times 100 right you know the the whole extra biblical story of lucif you know which

1:09:02

comes more from Milton but the whole idea of you know Lucifer falling from heaven and so on and so forth um it's

1:09:10

like I said it's that times 100 but it's like you can tie in sort of

1:09:16

your you know J Judy Judaism themes uh

1:09:21

Christian themes Pagan themes esoteric occult themes all these of different themes and are all can come under this

1:09:27

umbrella of the Watchers and Alice Bailey spells it out okay and believe

1:09:35

me I don't know who actually ever read those books because it's like I said it's it's torture to read them but she

1:09:43

was never lacking for money and is still not lacking for money today and actually the headquarters of Lucius trust is 120

1:09:49

Wall Street if you look at that building it's a recreation of anaki which was the tower Babel what

1:09:57

wait yeah so what luc's trust headquarters is what I should search for

1:10:03

one yeah I mean I I've I've I've tweeted about all this stuff over the years but um uh so yeah 120 Wall Street so there

1:10:11

is a certain genius behind this um goodness but you know the

1:10:16

British Royals I I believe are are totally on board with this

1:10:21

um I think the royal families in general oh yeah but like I said it's this great umbrella

1:10:27

because you can you know unite Jewish occultists Christian occultists Pagan a

1:10:34

cultists all together you know it's like all the different flavors of the ruling Elites can all follow you know they can

1:10:41

all sort of find common cause under this this this big tent of Watcher worship

1:10:46

now I've been talking about this for a while and I also talked about this in the context of 911 which is going to get

1:10:53

me into trouble so I I won't S talk about here let's get in trouble I'm going to try and share my screen and see

1:10:58

if I can um and see if I can pick a see if I can do this I've never done this

1:11:03

before here we go 120 Wall Street share can you see that there it is there it is

1:11:10

classic zigurat oh my goodness yeah sorry sorry for those of you who are just listening you'll just have to go to

1:11:16

YouTube and watch this that's wild okay yeah because you can kind of see a little bit of the Spiral like if someone

1:11:22

just told me if someone just told me like look at the building I wouldn't immediately call that Tower of Babel but

1:11:28

now looking at it I absolutely see it well it's based it's actually based on a zigurat and actually interestingly

1:11:36

enough the headquarters of British intelligence is also based on a zigurat wait a minute isn't this where they

1:11:42

isn't this isn't this where they filmed the the the scene from Ghostbusters no

1:11:47

that's not that can't be that building that would be way too obvious I don't know that would be way too obvious yeah that' be way too obvious okay yeah but I

1:11:52

mean that that this rooftop area like that's I don't know like I'm not into this but that seems like a good place to

1:11:59

sacrifice some people yeah but all those NOS all those

1:12:05

globalist organizations are all in that building right you know like all the big all the big

1:12:11

um and but that's that's the other idea too is that globalism is is really tied up with Watcher worship as well and it's

1:12:18

this whole idea of like Oneness you know every we're all one everything is one Oneness you know this from the new

1:12:25

I know all of this that's oh I spent so much time taking this part one book I got to give a shout out is game of gods

1:12:31

by Carl TYB this is a huge door stop length book where it's like he goes into all this transhumanism and everything

1:12:38

it's incredible book he's going to come on the show soon but anyway please continue oh where was I um so yes about

1:12:46

911 and we were going to get canceled oh well see but you know so your your

1:12:53

viewers will see the the constellations here and this you know um The Vault of

1:12:59

Heaven is described in the Book of Genesis uh and this but the stars were really what helped me to code a lot of

1:13:06

these things okay I mean you know it understanding the stars and and how they were just so

1:13:14

Central to the world the entire ancient world because this is how they told the time this is how they knew what year it

1:13:20

was and so on and so forth um was very important to me um in in cracking a lot

1:13:26

of these Mysteries and with 911 so like I said I had this experience of being on the

1:13:32

ground um I mean I wasn't I wasn't in town that day I was supposed to be I was

1:13:38

supposed to be in town that day working in lower Manhattan on Lafayette Street

1:13:44

and I had the day off and I don't like I just like talk about because I would have been in that World Trade

1:13:51

Center um PATH station

1:13:57

and but actually very close friend of mine and his family his wife and his two daughters were actually on the

1:14:02

ground and you know I'll tell you this story um your your your fans listeners viewers

1:14:12

will love this so they had gotten s they were taking their kids to uh nursery school and they would cut through World

1:14:18

Trade Center Plaza and then the first Tower came down and you know you saw all

1:14:23

the dust and stuff and they got separated and

1:14:29

somebody like nobody could see anything it was like opaque somebody came out of nowhere and grabbed his wife my friend's

1:14:36

wife and his daughter and lifted them up and the stroller and carried them

1:14:42

away from World Trade Center to she never saw who it was oh wow I mean you

1:14:48

know maybe understandably but you know I love that story because it's just like miracles do happen um

1:14:55

but anyway ah gosh you know it's something i' done a big live stream on this I done a live stream uh on a couple

1:15:03

different podcasts on this but you really have to understand the the constellations BEC because at the center

1:15:11

of watch or worship is as much as I understand it and I got a lot of this through decoding Freemasonry so

1:15:17

freemasonic symbolism which everybody's kind of puzzled over for years is all Stellar it's all Stellar symbolism

1:15:25

and um so I would be taking the PATH station back home every day and when the

1:15:32

towers came down when the World Trade Center towers came down and I was still going in out of New York for work and so

1:15:38

on I noticed that the um the rooftops of the World Financial Center basically

1:15:44

encoded the glyph of Sirus the star serus into their design and there's also

1:15:52

a a stair you know so this is the first degree Masonic tracing board is the steroid of serus the Blazing star what

1:15:59

they call the Blazing star they call the Blue Star so on they have a bunch of different names for it but Sirius and

1:16:04

the stairway to sirius is Orion's Belt it's following the three stairs of Orion's Belt to sirius okay they taught

1:16:12

you this when you were in a kid in school how to find Ser the star serus in the sky and that was and that 20 you

1:16:19

know in the wake of 911 so this would been early maybe early 2002 late 2001

1:16:25

and that's when I really started to notice it I'm like oh man and that and then I realized oh

1:16:32

wait Twin Towers Gemini Boaz and Jackin Freemasonry well why would you bring

1:16:37

them down well if you understand waser worship the Watchers

1:16:42

were banned basically from Heaven they came down and they made it with the daughters of men and they were banned

1:16:50

they couldn't get back into heaven because what stopped them the gate well there was actually two gates one on each

1:16:56

side of the sky because you have the the two uh sarim on on one side and then you have

1:17:03

BOS and jacken the the the um you know the the Twin Towers so you bring down

1:17:09

the Twin Towers so you can get back up into heaven and and what is

1:17:14

heaven it's you're following the Milky Way to the north okay and at the North you see

1:17:20

seppius the gardener the Garden of Eden and Draco the dragon the serpent

1:17:25

so goodness yeah there's this whole there's this whole

1:17:30

understanding and based and I'm basing this on the symbolism but also on reading the works of Alice

1:17:37

Bailey that not only will the um the Fallen let's just call them the Fallen

1:17:43

Angels just it's more familiar to people will the Fallen Angels be released from Tartarus the abyss but they will Ascend

1:17:51

back into heaven depose Michael and you know the arc the uh the archangels who

1:17:58

they see as usurpers and Alice Bailey talks about this explicitly um and regain control of

1:18:07

heaven and that's if you follow listen it I'll just hedge this a bit if you

1:18:13

just follow the symbolism and the the sequence of events and the symbolism um you'll see that because now

1:18:21

here's another thing that I benefited from being on the ground is that a block away from the World Trade Center was

1:18:26

Chambers Street Station Okay subway station and there are all these eyes all

1:18:32

these eyes all over the place just eyes it's the creepiest damn thing you've ever seen and then there's this big eye

1:18:37

in the middle of it in the big eye of the globe that's the Watchers and whenever you see this stuff all the time

1:18:44

Watchers that's the Watchers it's it's all the Watchers and I didn't understand

1:18:50

this until I you know I found the key to this with Alis Bailey so it's like why

1:18:55

do all these big corporations why does the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation keep this weird little cult

1:19:02

alive you know that's just filled with like little old ladies with you know knitting needles which cult the loosest

1:19:10

trust oh they're the bill and Bill and Melinda Gates are keeping the elus trust alive yeah yeah oh my goodness why does

1:19:17

that not surprise me because why would it right you why would it um so yeah so

1:19:24

the watch worship I just really understood that that this was at the the basis of everything and like I said

1:19:30

because it's like almost like a unified field principle MH unified field principle where all the different you

1:19:36

know all the different weird sects of the occult Elite could coales and you

1:19:43

know under this big tent and like I said just read uh two two books uh initiation

1:19:49

human and solar and externalization of the hierarchy yep okay yeah it's all

1:19:54

spelled out explicitly externalization of the hierarchy is her big book right not my big book no her big book

1:20:02

not yours no no no her yeah Alice by Alice Bailey yeah well she had all of her books dictated to her by Jal K this

1:20:09

tiet this ascended master from Tibet like that's that was she didn't well she didn't say that she wrote all the stuff

1:20:15

she was channeling them from this from this spirit that was her British intelligence Handler oh was it really oh

1:20:22

yeah oh yeah oh yeah it's all British intelligence um and like I said just go

1:20:28

look up GH what is it gchq gchq headquarters that they call Babylon on

1:20:35

TMS okay uh and you'll just you know it's everything see here's the thing

1:20:40

well it's all out in the open it is it's all like it's it's all hiding in plain

1:20:45

sight and people just don't see it because oh my goodness are you kidding me put it on screen oh my God okay

1:20:54

okay let me pull wait can we pull it up oh this can't be okay let me do the screen share

1:21:00

again and then let's see you have got to be kidding

1:21:07

me youve got oh no that's the Flying Saucer that's a different one the look up Babylon on TS is the the that's the

1:21:13

Flying Saucer so that's the other part of it because like I said the Flying Saucer in um

1:21:20

Babylon on Tims so oh are you

1:21:26

what what is happening I'm sorry for those of you who are listening I'll link at all this in

1:21:33

the show notes but like my word okay wait let's see let me just uh do this

1:21:41

okay what I just what all right let's see and I think

1:21:47

it's this one okay that there it is oh my oh my goodness

1:21:57

it's just so it's so like if you just if I were just cruising by on a boat looking at that I wouldn't think about I

1:22:03

wouldn't think anything of it I mean it's like it's kind of awkward looking but then you point out babelon on Tim's

1:22:08

like yeah that's exactly what that is that is exactly what that is well see but so getting back to the point I was

1:22:14

making about Empire see Empire is the only you know all the work and struggle

1:22:20

and and fighting that you have to do to Empire is only good if you become gods gods and why were the Christians why

1:22:27

were the Christians persecuted in Rome one reason because

1:22:33

they would not be you know they would not declare that the empire was

1:22:40

God when you and like I said I read I I went you know when I went back and I was

1:22:46

uh reading about the the church fathers and stuff that was the entire basis of

1:22:51

it is that they would not acknowledge the Empire as God MH or the emperor is God you Caesar whomever whatever and

1:22:59

that was why they were called atheists they were declared to be atheists

1:23:05

because God God on Earth so that's the whole idea behind Empire is to become

1:23:11

you shall become as Gods this goes back all the way to ancient Sumer in Babylon

1:23:16

with you know the God you know they and talk about the whole thing with the

1:23:21

Nephilim the ancient Sumerian Kings called Lugal and Lugal means Giants same word

1:23:30

as Nephilim Giants giants in the Bible okay it's the same exact principle some

1:23:38

some believe that they were giants I mean we don't have to get into the whole thing with Giants and so on but um I mean that can kind of get a little weird

1:23:44

but um yeah people get real into that yeah I I used to be into all that

1:23:50

alternative history and and so on and so forth and um I I just uh I kind of

1:23:57

snapped out of it one of the reasons I snapped out of a lot of that stuff you know there were a couple reasons one I

1:24:03

can't really go into but also um we had like a UFO show up over our house back

1:24:09

in 2017 classic Chevron UFO and I just and we watched it for like 20 minutes we got

1:24:15

photographs of it and everything like that like the Phoenix Lights yeah yeah exactly and I came away just feeling

1:24:22

like that's not a good thing no that's know yeah and and it was and it

1:24:28

wasn't like you know I wasn't processing anything it was just pure gun Instinct like I don't like that why is it there

1:24:35

what's it doing that's not good for all I know it could have been military I

1:24:40

mean you know Maguire Air Force Base is about an hour here you know flight time or whatever I mean I don't know but it

1:24:46

didn't look aerodynamic to me at all and I was really into euphology and

1:24:51

it just I like that over over like in a Flash I was just

1:24:59

like those are those things aren't good yeah you know I you know there's a whole thing you know like demons and so on and

1:25:07

I'm I'm I'll entertain all all theories and so on I don't think they're extraterrestrial I don't think they're

1:25:12

from other other star systems or whatever but I don't think they're good

1:25:18

I agree and it took it took me like it it really took for you know Close

1:25:25

Encounter of the first kind you know to really like Snap me out of it so I don't

1:25:32

know um but we haven't talked about synchrom mysticism at all which is okay

1:25:37

because we we kind of have you know yeah we have I mean that's that's I think a lot of really important context has been

1:25:44

given for the listeners to understand that this again this is coordinated

1:25:50

there are people that genuinely believe it it's not a lar this is their religion and they are wealthy and they are

1:25:56

powerful and they are we'll say ancient they're more than old they're ancient it's going back thousands of years

1:26:02

Millennia went underground it burst back onto the scene you know for many different reasons in the 17 and 1800s um

1:26:09

which I've documented before and now it is the religious context that we all live in like like that's the thing we

1:26:16

don't live in a a Christian Nation anymore right we live we live in we live in Empire we live in occupied territory

1:26:23

and I want to speak to your experience at the church like of course you're going to be rejected from the church

1:26:29

you're going to come in you're outspoken you have a young family you're clearly leading right and you have you're you're

1:26:36

a capable man churches do not want capable men anymore because capable men tend to step on toes and point out

1:26:42

problems and want to fix problems and a lot of people like problems right where they're at and so that's that and that

1:26:47

is still true today it's rare to find a church where an obviously capable man can walk in and be welcomed and pleased

1:26:54

please come sit down who are you tell us about yourself that's a real Church you experienced a social club like you

1:27:00

called it a Christian social club and that is most churches and it's it's it's very important for me to know how far

1:27:07

back it went because one of the projects that I've been you know working on is understanding as we talked about how did

1:27:13

we get here how did the church get here right I had a podcast with a man named Jeff Wright uh he spoke about about a

1:27:20

month ago I'm coming to understand some of the stuff about like the young Restless and reformed impurity culture

1:27:26

but you can roll it back to Billy Graham you know what got left out how did the the degeneration occur to the point

1:27:33

where it's like people laugh at the Christian church and now the Christian church is back embedded in the Roman

1:27:38

Empire there it is we're back in the middle of the Roman Empire so that's and that's what we're talking about well

1:27:45

I'll tell you what I what played a huge part of it was scientism

1:27:50

oh so what really

1:27:55

we had the wars of religion and you know the Reformation The Counter Reformation so on and so

1:28:02

forth and then you had the enlightenment which is just like okay we need to we

1:28:07

need to establish sort of a common parameter in on a secular basis where we can run our

1:28:16

governments and so on and so forth where we're not going to just get caught up in this again you know these religious

1:28:22

wars and then then following on the enlightenment you had this you know the

1:28:28

Industrial Revolution and we had um this huge

1:28:35

explosion of Science and Technology particularly throughout the 19th century

1:28:40

now concurrent with that was the um this

1:28:46

movement in particularly in Germany where you had liberal Protestant

1:28:52

theologians just basically constructing the the faith mhm yes liberalism yeah so

1:29:01

and you know just basically you know Miracles are out uh virgin birth is out

1:29:08

uh Resurrection is out up and down the line every you know everything was just and it just became like this this kind

1:29:13

of like Unitarian kind of deal where it's just fine you know it's ethics and fine

1:29:20

thoughts you know and fine feelings and in resp response to that was the

1:29:25

fundamentalist movement Y and the fundamental but the problem with the fundamentalist movement

1:29:32

is that that came that's really started to rise to prominence at the same time

1:29:37

communism Rose into prominance in Europe so all these like big corporations said

1:29:44

well we can use the fundamentalists as a bulwark against communism okay I mean later they switched their attention to

1:29:50

to the fascists and the Nazis and so on so you have had people just believed that science

1:29:59

was going to save us science was going to S all our problems all the longstanding problems of of humanity and

1:30:06

The Human Condition were eventually going to be solved through science they didn't anticipate that science was

1:30:12

actually going to bring a whole host Science and Technology were going to bring a whole host of new problems that

1:30:17

are much more intractable than the old ones in some ways right and so it just

1:30:22

became the sort of back and forth but it was really religion subordinate to the secular sphere okay and but the thing is

1:30:30

is that I keep pointing this out I've been pointing this out for 10 years now and it's like people I think are finally

1:30:37

starting to get the message that we are in What's called the Great stagnation now the great stagnation is where all

1:30:43

the lwh hanging fruit of Science and Technology have been plucked and there's

1:30:48

no New Frontiers to explore okay and as a

1:30:55

matter of fact it's worse than that because since there's so much money and so much power invested in this this

1:31:01

scientific project that we have what's also called the um reproducibility crisis where hacking we

1:31:10

you know all these scientific studies I I read like at least 10,000 last year we

1:31:16

just thrown out 10,000 I mean that's just astonishing yeah now the thing is when you bring this up to like nerds and

1:31:23

seculars and so on they think well they said the same thing 100 years ago yeah they said the same thing 100 years ago

1:31:28

before you had thousands of people working in thousands you know millions of people working in thousands of labs

1:31:33

and billions or if not trillions of dollars being spent on science you know it's like it it's been done okay we've

1:31:41

reached we've reached the the end of the line we're at the end of the line with science and technology and I think I

1:31:47

mean I've been saying this for a long time but I think a lot of things that we kind of conditioned not only by Hollywood but also ironic enough I see

1:31:55

this all the time through conspiracy people oh you don't understand they've got you know hidden UFOs and all this

1:32:00

kind of stuff it's like well where didd you get that idea if if you really break it down they got from Hollywood and and

1:32:06

Hollywood is beholden to the military-industrial complex okay but we're really at the end so we're we're

1:32:12

there's a lot of problems that going to arise from this because so much of our prosperity over the past 100 years was

1:32:18

driven by science and technology and now it's going to start to contract okay

1:32:24

but we're going to see like I did we talk about this live or before you know

1:32:29

the second religiosity that that Oswald Spangler talked about just we talked about it before okay so you have this

1:32:36

period of religiosity followed by this I think he said A Century of you know deep

1:32:43

religious skepticism atheism agnosticism so on and at the end of that period you

1:32:50

have the second religiosity or the second religious revival and it's it's almost like a return you know I think

1:32:56

the term you use like the springtime of a of a civilization's

1:33:02

development okay so it's already happening people you know people don't

1:33:09

understand that like the new atheist movement is dead it's done the the skeptic movement which is sort of like

1:33:16

an an ancillary of the new atheist movement that's been dead for almost 10 years now that fell apart you know these

1:33:23

movements all fall apart and but you know what's replaced

1:33:29

them is witchcraft occultism yep you know new age yep

1:33:37

essentially chaos that's what's replaced scientism

1:33:43

is just chaos okay but also this religious movement that people

1:33:48

think is the transgender movement which is deeply religious deeply ancient well

1:33:54

attested well recorded well known it's just that we all have to pretend that

1:33:59

it's not a religious movement even though if you if you go on Twitter and you see people with all the the trans

1:34:05

flags and their their bios oh we are sacred beings they use that term we are

1:34:10

sacred beings oh my goodness right well what is what is the definition of sacred beings kesim it's in the Bible it's in

1:34:17

the old testment right the the the temple prostitutes my go and so at the same time the same people who put

1:34:23

pushing this whole thing you know with the Trans mve trying to get all these kids to to transition they're all saying

1:34:29

hey you know sex work is is real work do you see where this is all leading yeah do you see where this is

1:34:35

all leading and it's all it's all religious but everything you know having the benefit

1:34:42

of like you know this Eden you know like I said this Eden that I had um this

1:34:50

Refuge this sanctuary as a child that just so spoiled me for the first 13 years of my

1:34:56

life it really got me to understand the psychology of religion and that religion doesn't need to

1:35:03

be spiritual or the theological you have scientism is a religion in every it's

1:35:11

got Dogma it's got holy texts it's got Saints and Sinners it is straight up

1:35:16

religion okay now the people who really you know first exploited this were the Communists right you know the sacred

1:35:23

text Communist Manifesto Little Red Book whatever you know the Saints you know

1:35:28

Mao uh Lenin angles marks whomever right

1:35:33

you know and and like this whole cosmology uh that we're going to lead

1:35:39

this this paradise on Earth you know a lot of people say this is Gnostic and it's just like oh come on man that's you

1:35:46

know gnostics were just hippies who wrote fanfic it's they that's not that's not Gnostic right it's it's Pagan mhm

1:35:54

it's Pagan it's a pagan it's a pagan cult you know communism is Pagan cult and it has a salvational Mythos doesn't

1:36:01

it it has a salvational Mythos yes it does so we don't understand that with

1:36:07

the fall of Christendom which I think was temp temp like again temporarily dis

1:36:12

displaced by scientism starting in the in the 19th century and really you know

1:36:19

the final I think the final Triumph of scientism took place in the maybe the 20s or so on certainly the 30s right

1:36:27

um that's we're at the end of that period mhm and now we're in this you

1:36:33

know it's like ancient Alexandria right where it's just like all these sexs and gurus and and teachers and and you know

1:36:42

movements and so on it's just it's just absolute bedum in some ways but that

1:36:50

that is also going to change now here is the point that I want to make because

1:36:55

you think oh well just sit back and let it happen well there's a there's a big problem the same people who are so

1:37:00

invested in the scientism salvational paganism are now equally invested in

1:37:08

what you know this Fallen Angel worship the salvational Mythos of the Fallen

1:37:14

Angels rising from Tartarus and bringing us you know

1:37:19

bringing us to Paradise in Utopia MH for the at least for them MH and it's you

1:37:27

know it's taken me a lot like I said people are starting to wake up to this people are starting to realize this but

1:37:34

I would say you know 99.9% of of the world is still oblivious to it yes and that I think is the danger

1:37:41

because here's you know it's like Jung said you can only replace religion with religion right well should know yeah

1:37:49

right they want to replace this this fading scientism you

1:37:56

know this whole Bal Living Through Chemistry and all that kind of stuff with this Watcher worship because it Al

1:38:02

not only does it fold in all you know you can you can just throw everything into this tent but you can also throw in science because the Watcher worship The

1:38:09

Watcher Angels the Fallen Angels brought all this technology to mankind but see but this is also the thing with mithis

1:38:15

is that mithis is actually a disguise it's a disguise for the ancient hero demig God

1:38:25

pereus okay and if you read the myths about perthus Perseus the gods brought

1:38:31

him technology the helmet the sandals the sword The Shield it was all Olympian

1:38:40

technology and it's the same exact principle it just takes it but they can all fold it in and like I said just read

1:38:46

the Alice Bailey stuff you I'm sure a lot of people be like what is this man ranting about this is all Insanity it's

1:38:53

all spelled out in black and white in those books so there you go no you're

1:38:59

you're absolutely right you're I don't think if they think you're ranting then they would probably think that I'm ranting too if I started talk about the

1:39:05

things that I know but I can I can validate I have not read that Alice Bailey book but I did an extensive

1:39:11

amount of research weeks wor of worth of research for a presentation I did a year ago called exiting the new age it ended

1:39:18

up being around 2 and 1/ half hours long as I sort of set out to prove that the new age is its own form of religion and

1:39:24

so I just started pulling on the strings that I knew and I just kept pulling and kept pulling and pulling and it's like

1:39:30

the whole thing just started unraveling and I discovered many of the same things that you've been that you've been

1:39:35

talking about and and so all these things are very very real and they all stand directly in opposition to the

1:39:41

Christian faith it is it is demon worship it is false religion and the

1:39:47

thing that I'm struck with is that Christianity emerged well it it it

1:39:52

didn't emerge out of the Roman Empire I mean I guess in a way it really did it merged out of the Roman Empire in that era and so then you had all this uh

1:40:00

history where you we had a Christian West and a Christian America and it seems like under Christians noses over

1:40:06

the past 50 or 60 years the Roman Empire has sort of sprung up again around us

1:40:12

you know we're seeing it's we're living in Rome people are talking about the fall of Rome everywhere it's like yeah

1:40:17

you know why Rome is going to fall around us cuz we're living in Rome cuz we stopped we stopped living in a Christian we're talking about the prec

1:40:23

Constantine Rome and that's what I hear you describing is so Watcher worship I've seen you post about this by the way

1:40:30

my buddy Tim is listening to this shout out Tim he's probably loving all of this stuff because he talks about Watcher

1:40:35

worship as well and so when you say you've talked about Watcher worship on um on your Twitter account and it there

1:40:42

was a thing last year and maybe it's still happening because we're getting into concert season where there were all

1:40:47

these big LED screens behind all the pop stars with all these big you know like Android robots with wings and stuff like

1:40:55

that and you still happening okay so let's talk about that because you talked about when you were talk what is Watcher worship you're I

1:41:02

mean I had a sense of the word Watcher in the image so let's talk about that because it's it seems like you're

1:41:07

worship you're not worshiping they linking them to worship of false angel of Fallen Angels is that essentially

1:41:12

what that is well it's it's right there like I said everything is hiding in

1:41:17

plain sight when you look at all these big displays right they're all the they all have like Ang Wings they're all

1:41:24

these like weird cyber demons with angel wings they're the Watchers I don't know

1:41:29

who's behind this I don't know if this is you know a spiritual influence or this is deliberate and intentional or

1:41:37

it's just through osmosis I'm not exactly sure but it's it's all there it's all there and and all these like

1:41:42

giant statues that we're seeing everywhere yeah I mean the whole big thing last year you know the um that

1:41:50

weird demon that they put and the roof of the New York courthouse right with

1:41:56

the oh that one the braids like Rams horns well what was that thing called it

1:42:02

was called witness witness Watcher no it wasn't oh oh it was oh it was oh it it's

1:42:09

it's it's you you would be stunned by how obvious and how open it all is okay

1:42:17

so I've just I've just I pull up I pulled up another one we'll do a screen share so people can see what I'm talking about again sorry listeners um uh okay

1:42:26

so so this right so you've got oh yeah yeah so you've got like you can see the

1:42:32

people with the phones down here and you've got I guess it's a DJ and then but like this there's been a lot of these videos going around of these giant

1:42:40

a lot of them it was like a whole thing last year giant towering you know cji figures that are pretty demonic when you

1:42:48

look at them like these are not no they're explicitly demonic I mean they're demonic you don't have to you

1:42:54

don't have to qualify it right yeah yeah I mean like just blacked out eyes and

1:43:00

kind of a weird thing going on and I remember these videos were going around a lot last year and some people were like wow cool and I'm like there's

1:43:07

there's even the even the ones that were pleasing to look at were were very troubling thematically I guess they

1:43:13

horrify me a lot of them look like nightmares that I had when I was a kid to be honest with you sure yeah or or

1:43:19

you know another thing that I didn't really talk about is you know I used to get very sick and I used to have really

1:43:24

bad fevers like extremely high fevers like 105 106 all the time wow and um

1:43:31

you're you're a dad right I'm not no oh okay well if you know if you if you got kids I mean we used to take my kids to

1:43:38

the hospital when they had 102 103 um it's it's frightening um but I

1:43:44

would have these hallucinations uh very real hallucinations but a lot of

1:43:51

them look like those those figures and I I can't help but Wonder like is this some sort of demonic Tor torment you

1:43:58

know um one thing that a lot of my especially my um older fans Not older

1:44:05

but people who've been following me for a long time as I talked about this this this leprechaun that kind of just manifested

1:44:11

in my my living room and it was it was absolutely horrifying but when I see a lot when I see a lot of those animations

1:44:18

it it really does remind me of that and it kind of makes me wonder you know it kind of makes me wonder if like I they

1:44:24

they obviously do look demonic but a lot of the movements and the morphing and stuff was something that

1:44:29

um I used to experience a lot because of these these really terrible fevers which

1:44:35

I later found out triggers the DMT production in your brain in the pineal gland so um yeah I

1:44:44

that all that Ray stuff just horrifies me to be honest with you it does now what it's quite scary now it's yeah

1:44:52

you because it back in the 90s it used to be like happy faces and rainbows and stuff and now it's it's all demonic but

1:44:59

the other thing too another thing that I I wrote a few posts on was that um that Travis Scott uh oh yeah that whole thing

1:45:08

now but that was all Watchers man it's like it was like Watchers coming out of the mountains I mean they had the

1:45:14

t-shirts were literally that like coming through these portals MH I you know once you once you crack that code you just

1:45:21

start to see it everywhere and it's like it really is like they live oh yeah here's another here's another um here's

1:45:29

another image from like that Travis Scott concert I'll put that up on the screen I gotta get one of like Joe

1:45:36

Rogan's guys like there you go you know where he's like this tunnel coming it's

1:45:41

just so scary but that's M Herman those are the Rings this you see that in a lot

1:45:47

of medieval artwork the Rings you know like the the rings of hell yeah just coming and came out of that yeah and and

1:45:56

he's done a lot of I I always get confused what's it's not Minecraft it's the other one fort fortnite fortnite for

1:46:03

he did a video where it's it's like explicitly Watchers and it's got this like weird Giant

1:46:10

Eye UFO behind him and he's depicting himself as a giant and so on and so

1:46:16

forth I you just can't believe how how blatant and obvious this stuff is yeah

1:46:23

and it's like people well people oh well what about when you were a kid and it was like Alice Cooper and kiss and stuff

1:46:29

it's like that stuff was just that was just Vaudeville comparatively yeah oh

1:46:34

here's here's the fortnite concert let me pull that up real quick just I want everyone to see this so like we know

1:46:40

that you're not making this stuff up right like like what's going on here

1:46:45

yeah another another giant oh yeah bowing down to a giant 12 million people

1:46:51

the headline said watch this fortnite concert well another thing that people

1:46:56

should look up and I blogged about this as soon as I saw this I was absolutely horrified um the actually on so it's on

1:47:06

the Washington mall now and it's this giant hideous hideous hideous

1:47:14

demon uh and it's the ugliest thing you've ever seene it's called we come in peace and it's it was this art

1:47:21

installation that is this giant hideous demon right like a hermaphroditic demon

1:47:27

with like three faces and part of you so it was just it was the demon but it was also like this giant robed figure bowing

1:47:34

down from it now this was on the roof of the Metropolitan Museum of Art when they

1:47:40

had that weird crazy met Galla where it was all like mocking Catholicism and and

1:47:47

Christianity and stuff what uh you got you get that on screen now yeah

1:47:53

hold on put it put it up oh my goodness oh my go okay this is just there's

1:48:00

nothing good about any of this no it's all bad flying so yeah so

1:48:06

whatever is going on here you've got the thing bowing down to whatever this is oh

1:48:11

it's got It's got faces in the back too yeah so it's got faces all around it oh my goodness and they got the Bowing

1:48:18

down what the and it's got like a what does that I want to know what that is

1:48:24

humab Baba pypy based artist okay so there's the front of it yeah this isn't

1:48:29

troubling this is this is exactly what should be you know this is exactly what

1:48:34

should be in the National Mall what what is happening

1:48:41

help oh my goodness is that what is the oh my goodness how disturbing is that

1:48:48

there's a lot of stuff just like this man a lot of it I've been I've been trying to um you know document it as

1:48:55

best I can people just like but you know here's the interesting thing so you had

1:49:02

a lot of what I would call agent provocators and and the one we can all agree on is West West Bar Baptist right

1:49:09

sure like just total agent provocator operation but I think there are others who are more subtle but you know the the

1:49:19

bad reputation that Christianity has in the culture Now isn't isn't just because

1:49:25

of the failures of the church it's been through intentional manipulation by these people who have what they want to

1:49:33

be the next religion yes the next Global religion which is basically demon worship so I want to show you something

1:49:39

actually so I've I looked up the artist H Huma Baba right so you see this mask

1:49:47

there's down the street from where I live there's a there's a there's an art gallery

1:49:53

with like a coffee shop next to it the photo of this mask is in is is in the

1:49:58

window of that art gallery I walk past it I don't go to that coffee shop anymore specifically so I don't have to

1:50:04

look at this mask so this is this is like in this is oh my goodness okay

1:50:10

sorry I just wanted to share that I just wanted to share that like this is the woman who designed I'm sure all of her

1:50:16

stuff looks you know very very humanistic very uh you know the kind of thing that you would want to show your

1:50:21

kids it does not look like that at all um yes very very loving of the human race this is not the product of a

1:50:28

disturbed mind at all surely so it's psych you know yeah on a secular level

1:50:34

it's psychotic yes it's very typical of the kind of artwork that psychotics produce yes you know what I mean so um

1:50:43

you were talking about interesting you were talking about agent provoc tourist you think that there have been other ones yeah well but the whole Pro the

1:50:51

whole program let to say you know has been to get people to when when they're

1:50:58

faced with all this outright demonism in their face and if somebody wakes up and

1:51:04

recognizes it you know all their peers will say oh you know what are you one of those Christians you know what are you

1:51:10

fundamentalist intolerant bigoted you know against free expression

1:51:17

you know all this kind of I mean you've heard it all before MH um but the thing

1:51:22

is I mean you don't have to be a Christian to be offended by this stuff you just have to be have basic human

1:51:28

morals you because it's all hideous and it's outwardly hideous and

1:51:34

it's and it's just become more and more ubiquitous and listen so we're in the

1:51:39

midst of what I call mkl to 3.0 okay oh all these when people go to these um

1:51:46

these big festivals are they just sitting there just you know boogieing and shimmying maybe have a you know a

1:51:51

couple beers or something no they're all taking heavy psychedelics they're all taking ketamine and and uh you know I don't

1:51:58

even know what else LS LSD mushrooms yeah yeah yeah I'm not exactly sure what's popular in in the

1:52:05

club scene these days but they're all taking like heavy duty purified

1:52:10

hallucinogens and they look up on this you know they hear this music which is just I mean it's all it's doing is just

1:52:18

playing on the the you know the the base reptilian mind you know boom duom duom duom du you know repetitive you know the

1:52:25

same riff over and over again for a half an hour or something or longer and then they look up and what do they see they

1:52:31

see these morphing techno [Music]

1:52:37

demons if if you put this in like a Left Behind movie back in the 90s people would think like oh you you just push it

1:52:44

a little too far now yeah dial it back guys come on no one's going to believe that yeah that's this is this is not

1:52:51

credible I mean some some of the stuff that's going on you probably saw on Twitter today this whole thing about the

1:52:57

furries in the high school now I knew about the furries 30 years ago you know being in the whole Comics world and it's

1:53:05

not like they've gotten worse I mean the whole first of all the whole thing started as you know came out of porn right uh came out of um this this comic

1:53:13

from the 80s called Omaha the cat dancer and just sort of went down from there but the whole thing is like the furries

1:53:19

are like in some even in the the weird dodgy

1:53:25

morally debased environment of comics fandom even they're like just too much

1:53:32

you know I I you know I said on Twitter today it's like anybody who buys a furry costume it should come with an ankle

1:53:38

monitor I mean that's how bad it is and like I've heard stories I I won't

1:53:44

recount them here I heard stories about furry conventions that would just make you like literally throw up and just

1:53:51

absolutely revolting and it's like and now it's like the in Utah of all places

1:53:56

right it's like oh yeah this is acceptable what what what is happening

1:54:01

like what Have We Become and we're not even we're not even Rome and this is this is like this is just pure Babylon

1:54:08

now it's you know it's like we aspire to Rome know I mean even in the worst days

1:54:13

of the Republic we aspire to this this level of degeneracy and like literal so

1:54:18

that's a loaded term but it you know literally means to just fall apart yeah that's that's how I mean it so there you

1:54:26

go no I mean it's it's important it's important to acknowledge the stuff especially because uh you were talking

1:54:32

about uh scientism and uh so the story that I've been reading about how do we get to

1:54:38

postmodernism that modernism and and scientism and materialism didn't want to do with away with religion we will build

1:54:44

our own right and so then you have the PO then postmodernism is a distrust of all authority it's essentially

1:54:51

relativism right so modernism said we will we will Elevate Science and Technology that's how you get

1:54:56

technocracy and now you have postmodernism which is we don't even trust the authority of science there is

1:55:01

no Authority it's all it's all relative well what does that lead to that leads to that leads to this Universal mystical

1:55:09

longing right for to understand the Mysteries right uh divorced off totally

1:55:14

from from uh Cold Steel bare science it's like this split in the in the

1:55:19

psyche and so that's kind of what you see right and that that mysticism that's what that's what transhumanism is is

1:55:26

merging these two things kind of back together Transcendence through technology so like modernism shattered I

1:55:32

mean World War I to be fair World War I was a globally we'll call it traumatic event like I I don't think Humanity was

1:55:38

ready for industrialized Slaughter on a scale unimaginable in human history like that was really and it was so stupid too

1:55:46

the whole thing was just ridiculous I the whole way it came about was just I I mean I think it's ultimately

1:55:52

spiritual oh yeah oh yeah I mean like and World War II came along to finish the job like whatever was left of our of

1:55:58

our of our poor traumatized you know Western psyche was finished off setting the stage for the degeneration of the

1:56:05

1950s that's where you have kiny and that's where you have uh Elvis and it's been a long slow process of just kind of

1:56:11

ripping apart the psyche of men and sort of now here we are and so now we find ourselves explicitly an occupied

1:56:18

territory that grew up all around us like we were we were colonized

1:56:23

I say we I mean Christians or I mean decent civilized Christian Society has been colonized essentially by pre a

1:56:31

pre-roman civilization have you ever looked up into like esoteric fascism have you seen that oh yeah yeah okay

1:56:38

yeah and that's that's the thing that a lot people a lot of people don't pick up on is a lot of this talk of Greece and

1:56:43

Rome and Egypt of these great civilizations it's essentially what they're trying to say without really saying it is they want to hearken back

1:56:50

to a pre-christian civilization right that's that's that's their explicit that's their explicit goal as a

1:56:55

form of rejection of Christ and now this is the context that Christians find themselves in with infiltrators in uh in

1:57:02

the westbo Baptist Church Megan Basham has a book coming out called Shepherds for sale that documents how many Pastors

1:57:09

in America totally sold out you know to to globalism Prosperity Gospel yeah

1:57:15

absolutely yeah very much so um and then you maybe you saw the whole thing with like the sword swallower swallower on

1:57:22

stage with that Men's Conference yeah yeah was that man I watched that I just

1:57:28

couldn't believe it yeah yeah that's where and that's where we're at what was the context for that I I I don't know

1:57:35

man I I gotta tell you something I mean even like um I don't even know what

1:57:40

brand he is now but Kenneth Copeland oh yeah yeah and Benny Hinn and Joel Austin

1:57:48

and everything it's just I have a friend who um you know very devout Christian uh

1:57:54

but he's sort of like kind of into that whole Messianic Judaism kind of vibe but he said you

1:58:00

know I I was talking about him like this is back back a long time ago and I said well what do you think of this whole

1:58:05

Prosperity Gospel thing and he said Prosperity Gospel is from the deepest pits of hell he said it makes God into a

1:58:11

genie and I just thought that was so pithy and suct it was so perfect you

1:58:17

know it's it's and it's so true but listen I mean it's for a lot of people people I mean you've got to understand

1:58:24

that Prosperity Gospel is huge throughout the world you know particularly in you know in the

1:58:30

developing or third world or Global South whatever it's called now um you know because Prosperity is very alluring

1:58:38

to people who aren't prosperous so um you know these are very interesting

1:58:43

times um I don't know you know I I meant to ask you so you you had this whole

1:58:49

experience with like new age and and occultism and and esotericism and stuff

1:58:55

I mean how did you what were you what did you grow up in I grew up liberal atheist Jewish oh okay I mean like I was we did

1:59:03

we went to the high holiday services and I was Bar Mitzvah and we did Passover and all this different stuff so I guess

1:59:08

you would say I grew up religiously Jewish but there was never any like theological grounding like it was never

1:59:14

like we sat around and talked about God or talked about like what does this mean in our lives or anything like that like

1:59:20

we do these things because this is what we do but not you know what Supernatural reality is it pointing to let's say well

1:59:26

it's funny you should mention that because I told you my mother was uh the the organist at my church she was also

1:59:33

on Friday she would uh play the organ at Temple Beth David and yeah Canton Massachusetts so I would I would get

1:59:40

dragged there sometimes I'd actually sat sat in a bunch of seders and stuff like Passover saders and stuff and then on

1:59:46

Saturdays I'd go to mass with my Catholic friends and then on Sundays you know from Dusk and or from dawn until

1:59:53

dusk or dusk until dawn I don't know Dawn until dusk yeah I mean all day

2:00:00

you know what I used to call the Methodist marathons so I I was just

2:00:05

immersed in it I was just I was swimming in it my you know my entire um my entire

2:00:10

life but like I said it was the only structure that I had because you know my my childhood was EXT I mean Gen X latchy

2:00:19

kid yep uh total chaos total I mean I was basically semi-feral in some ways

2:00:25

and then falling into the hardcore scene in Boston and that whole scene so I you know I I

2:00:33

really wish that I I did I could could have found a place to raise my kids in the church yeah I really do I I I I

2:00:41

really regret that I I you know because even if they they turned away from it

2:00:46

they would have that grounding right you know that I had um

2:00:53

and we we we are an Empire now we have no culture we have no shared culture

2:00:59

because our shared culture used to be the Bible everybody that was like you know

2:01:04

everybody Jews Protestants Catholics could all sort of understand that language understand that context that is

2:01:12

gone that is gone and um if it's going to be rebuilt it's got

2:01:18

It's going to come from strange places I just want people to understand that uh it's not going to come you know we can't

2:01:24

you can't put Humpty Dumpty back together again it's going to come from people on the fringes

2:01:31

on the margins you know the way it did in Jesus's time you know the way it

2:01:38

did with Christ and the apostles um they were seen as extraordinarily marginal

2:01:45

weren they you know uh they were seen as troublemakers and and Outsiders and

2:01:51

everything like that so uh you know if that's to me but that's how it will come

2:01:58

again but in the interim like I said the ruling classes of the world have their

2:02:05

own religion that they are methodically

2:02:10

introducing to the world methodically methodically and and those images that

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you showed from those um Raves and stuff anybody who has any

2:02:23

context you know never mind if you're religious or whatever but has any context for just mind control should be

2:02:30

horrified by that it is because it is mind control yeah yeah straight up the

2:02:36

the music the music the the those those those graphics and then the drugs these

2:02:43

people are being completely mind controlled and they don't even realize it MH you know so so there you go MH

2:02:51

well do you want to talk a little bit about and by the way I agree I look at those videos and you see the flashing lights and they're all everyone in the

2:02:57

audience is intoxicated on something either legal or otherwise giant massive LED screens right pounding music and

2:03:06

you're all everyone's focused looking at it's usually a DJ show and the DJ's

2:03:12

standing in place so the attention is oriented towards you very well lit so

2:03:17

you can spot them and then you have this big display going on in the background guys in everyone's attention you know

2:03:23

and what is it uh Michael Hoffman talks about Twilight language about this subtle language that we're being

2:03:29

indoctrinated with through all these World these world events that is driven by this we'll call them occult or

2:03:36

mithraic or whatever proper term Elite that really believes this stuff that are using the levers of power to slowly you

2:03:42

know reshape break and reshape people's minds in the form of something that is

2:03:47

more um consensual to their to their desires this is happening it is

2:03:53

happening and you know it's funny something that I pointed out you know getting back to MK alra and stuff oh

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yeah um I have a I have an origin story for Mk alra that I think a lot of people

2:04:06

have found compelling and that's during the war when Yung and Alan Dulles would

2:04:14

get together for lunch every day because Yung was treating Ellen dulles's mistress and this was in Switzerland and

2:04:22

this was not too far from Sandos where LSD was first um

2:04:29

created around the same time um but so

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MK MK I believe since this is you know Yung

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is obviously sort of at least at the very least peripheral to this I think MK

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stands for mithis kyel and kyel is you know in the ancient world the um the

2:04:52

wives of Mists would worship kyel alternately called SI you know romanized

2:04:59

the C but in the original is kyel so MK mythis kyel um because like I said Jung

2:05:07

at that time was obsessed with the mraic Liturgy which is just a drug trip UFO

2:05:17

Abduction it you know it all fits together it all fits together and that's why you

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saw a lot of um UFO

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uh imagery being introduced during the whole countercultural era as a matter of

2:05:36

fact you know the real Roswell well Roswell a little early but um in the

2:05:41

late 60s where all the Psychedelic bands came out in England was the place was called the UFO

2:05:48

Club what and uh we saw um you know big big bands in the 70s ELO their whole

2:05:55

thing was the UF the giant UFO and the the band Boston you know um earthwind

2:06:02

and fire journey I mean so like UFOs are all being incorporated into all this imagery

2:06:09

as well here's a PO here's a poster of pink I can't read it but this is apparently what Wikipedia says Pink

2:06:16

Floyd at the UFO Club in London I guess it says yeah

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UFO oh my is that what that says yes oh my gosh flying

2:06:29

[Laughter] castle that's what that

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says oh man want me to send you this link I've

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no I've seen that image before seen yeah I probably have't saved on my hard drive but by the way I just want to share I

2:06:48

did find this letter from um Carl Young to Allan dullas he wrote him a letter in

2:06:54

1945 this is on Carlou depth psychology site. blog and CG young letters uh this

2:07:00

is 1945 to Alan W dullas dear my dear dullas my dear dullas I mean that's okay

2:07:07

since after my illness I get interested once more in the Affairs of the world the various ways of propaganda begin to

2:07:12

interest me German propaganda in tries inevitably to hollow out a moral hole with the hope

2:07:19

of eventual collapse better propaganda appeals to the moral strength and not to the feebleness of the

2:07:25

enemy as far as the psychological effectiveness of Allied propaganda is concerned it strikes me that the best

2:07:31

things that have appeared so far are General Eisenhower's proclamations to the German people yeah I mean young

2:07:37

young was an agent he had he he had a number like you know was7 yeah was it

2:07:43

488 so yeah agent well redit says oh my what this is a guardian article no Carl

2:07:51

a troubled relationship with I'll do it later well oh my gosh what does it say

2:07:57

this this is on the guardian I'm just going to scroll through it real quick apparently uh let me see if I can find

2:08:04

488 in the oh my gosh it is also come here I'll share this with the screen as

2:08:09

well I'm learning a whole ton this is great by the way um okay it has also

2:08:15

come to light that young operated as a spy for the oss the predecessor to the CIA he was called agent 488 and his

2:08:23

Handler Alan dos remarked no one nobody will probably ever know how much Professor young contributed to the

2:08:29

Allied cause during the war well I would say more after the war I you know I

2:08:34

really do believe since I I know I was really into Jung for a while yeah and I

2:08:40

I read a lot of a lot of his works and a lot of information about him you know I

2:08:45

know how he was how he was really attracted to this mithraic stuff I mean I think the stuff predates Yung I think

2:08:53

it started bubbling up in the mid mid 1800s mhm but um I think he he gave it

2:09:01

sort of a context um you know he young was crazy

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though yeah you know Freud said Yung was muga uh and I think that's probably

2:09:12

pretty pretty apt um but you know the thing with Yung where where I still find

2:09:19

Yung useful is the way he would organize a lot of this information you

2:09:24

the way he would categorize it you know it's a technology you know you don't have to go along with whatever he was in

2:09:32

and it's it's it's almost impossible to say what he was in because he was kind of all over the place but um he did

2:09:38

create uh I think a useful technology for organizing a lot

2:09:44

of this information MH you know for instance introvert and extrovert come from Young MH yep you know uh so there

2:09:51

was a lot of interesting and it you know so this has also been this thing like Freud was like this

2:09:57

hard-bitten SC scientistic guy not true at all you Freud was as every bit as

2:10:03

weird and mystical and occult oriented as Freud was he just kept it he kept it

2:10:09

under wraps MH you know and then maybe the problem was I mean because you know they were obviously very close um for a

2:10:16

number of years till they fell out yeah yeah but they were you know just totally

2:10:22

unethical they would have sex with their patients you know I mean all of it it's just uh it was like the wild west days

2:10:29

back then but you know the whole idea of the

2:10:35

talking cure has been discredited in some some

2:10:41

quarters because it's been replaced by Pharmaceuticals but I I mean I still think that there

2:10:47

is you know valid use for you know that that form of therapy

2:10:54

yeah um it's just it just it all depends a lot you know a lot of these things really boil down to like who is

2:11:00

controlling it who's who's got the hand at the wheel because people tend to throw the baby out with the bath water

2:11:07

you you talked about the new age I mean I've talked about this for a long time that the new age had all this nonsense

2:11:14

you know like this the pseudo science stuff and the space Brothers I mean just

2:11:19

a lot of really bad cosmologies but they're also you know

2:11:24

the whole idea of um taking better care of yourself Health you know the health thing um yeah I mean even the

2:11:31

masculinity stuff um that you know that was big with uh Robert blee in the 90s iron John and that kind of thing you

2:11:38

know the whole thing um about so there was a there was a lot of but I put these

2:11:44

all in the forms of of techniques and Technologies M because you know like I

2:11:50

said before a lot of the a lot of the the belief systems come from Alice Bailey MH and if

2:11:58

you read her books it's it's patently clear and before her botski where it's

2:12:03

just like everything is just thrown into a blender okay but as I said I think this was useful to the people running

2:12:12

you know I think that blad was being handled by Uh Russian intelligence and that Bailey was being handled by British

2:12:17

intelligence but I don't you know they were like cousins you know I mean was wasn't the romanov's cousins to to the

2:12:25

British royal family I mean all these royal families are are inter intertwined but I think they all had this idea of

2:12:30

the Watchers see but here's the the interesting thing too is that they could before it became known before it became

2:12:38

exposed if if they didn't wait so long they could have introduced Watcher worship under the rubric of Christianity

2:12:45

and I think probably been a lot more successful particularly with the degraded state that Christianity had be

2:12:50

or Christ had become let's more accurately in like the mid 20th century

2:12:55

I think they would have had you know great success sort of just sneaking this under the door you know what I mean but

2:13:01

maybe they found the New Age and neopaganism and occultism and Witchcraft

2:13:07

and all these other things more useful because because these things are just so

2:13:15

chaotic and you know there's no or Central organizing principle that people could get together to resist that's the

2:13:23

important thing divide a empera divide and conquer and that's I think behind a

2:13:30

lot of the sectarianism that you see in the new age it's just constantly throwing up some new cockamamy kind of

2:13:37

weird thing because people never coales and I think that's the problem

2:13:44

that they have um with with Christianity but certainly the the the

2:13:51

you know more traditional forms you know Lutheranism Catholicism Orthodoxy and so

2:13:56

on and so forth you know you don't want people to coales because coales could

2:14:02

become or Coalition could become a venue for resistance to your program and

2:14:08

that's that's the main bugaboo in their book yeah I would I I'm there are a

2:14:16

network of uh con confessional Protestant churches as well that hold to like the Westminster Confession of Faith

2:14:22

London Baptist and this confession of Faith you know these are hundreds of years old and these these standards are

2:14:28

what keep faithful Protestant churches on the rails but those have been thrown out you mentioned the liberalism project

2:14:34

there's a great book I mention I must mention every single podcast Christianity and liberalism by Jay

2:14:39

Gresham ma was written a hundred years ago and it's he's basically talking about it's almost like prophetic you can

2:14:46

read it and look back and say wow he's describing today churches that are thrown out Doctrine that have emphasized

2:14:52

relationship over law and just denatured the entire religion specifically to

2:14:57

break down the boundaries from I don't know whether whether it was all that coordinated it most likely was but to

2:15:03

make to make people softer to accept a lot of heretical ideas and so you look at a lot of the laser laser light show

2:15:10

churches you know some of the stuff going on with Hillsong and bethl you know and some of the more extreme

2:15:16

manifestations of charismatic churches and you just see the new age flooding in

2:15:22

flooding in you know like they didn't have to do Watcher worship per se they were able to demolish you know the the

2:15:29

American Evangelical Church from the inside with the sexual Revolution probably and so they Pro they saw that

2:15:35

once you had all these uh young uh kind of Boomers at the time really going apostate in the 1960s leaving the church

2:15:41

like oh it'll be so much more easy to Market to them because they've left the church in the dust and then you see what

2:15:47

happened to the Boomers and what they did to the church as well so like we don't have to do watch worship you know

2:15:52

it within the church we'll do it we'll do it for those who have left the church because we've got these other tentacles

2:15:57

into the church itself to bring it down from the inside that's my theory well the I would just counter that I mean I

2:16:04

don't want to say that the impetus behind you know the entertainment Church

2:16:10

let's just call it was entirely negative you know I think there was a real

2:16:15

concern that people were just going to leave Al together and and just fall in

2:16:20

into chaos and it was better to to have people in the room at least getting a

2:16:26

little taste of something rather than just being Hostage to the culture sure

2:16:32

but you know the interesting thing too is that being my age and paying attention to these things from a very

2:16:38

early age I remember when the New Age first came out and again I thought oh

2:16:44

well this is going to this is this is you know my Return to Eden it took you know it didn't take very long for me to

2:16:50

realize that was not going to happen I you know I I got wise to you know to

2:16:56

what a mess it was very very quickly but the thing that that continues to blow my

2:17:02

mind is just how successful the newage movement was in

2:17:08

into basically like you said just basically taking over the Evangelical churches which in the 80s were

2:17:14

completely diametrically opposed but were just completely taken over and again I don't I don't want to say that

2:17:21

this is all some nefarious conspiracy or whatever I mean a lot it was just like

2:17:26

you know we've got to survive we've got to you know we've got to carry on and

2:17:31

you know the problem with a lot of lurgical churches it just it didn't speak to

2:17:37

people anymore it's interesting that this sort of return to that you know particularly with the the return to

2:17:43

Orthodoxy you know I mean I I find the the Greek Orthodox Church to be you know incredibly beautiful beautiful liturgy

2:17:50

beautiful uh music I mean a lot of it but it's just completely alien to me

2:17:55

completely alien completely foreign to me it's like there is no tow hold for me in in that world because it's just it's

2:18:02

just another world it's three it's 1700 years old like or something like that it's like it fossilized in the east in

2:18:09

Turkey you know hundreds of years ago it rejected reform we're just going to we're going to hold on to this so it's

2:18:14

it's literally otherworldly it's from it's from another world that's the appeal that's the appeal yes but and I

2:18:22

understand that I I I totally understand that and I appreciate that and you know uh you know if conditions had been

2:18:28

different I would have found that to be very um appealing but I I think that

2:18:34

um you know I think there's a Lim to that and and unfortunately you know all the what I call the ortho Bros are kind

2:18:40

of going to be defeating them on purpose because the the leadership of the Orthodox Church are not happy about this

2:18:47

at all the orth they're not happy about the Bros no they shouldn't be they're

2:18:53

they're very unhappy with it um so there you know we're on the cusp of sort of a

2:19:00

conflict there I don't know how it's going to play out but it's none of my business see but this is the other thing

2:19:05

like when I was talking about all the sectarianism and and just verbal

2:19:10

violence that I encountered online that you can obviously still see to this day

2:19:16

on Twitter all the time I I I just had to say

2:19:21

I can't I can't I can't do this this this is not Christlike at all at all um

2:19:30

you know I understand the sectarianism as oh you know I mean it's sectarian in you know the book of Acts you know the

2:19:38

the conflicts between you know Peter and Paul right I this is as old as the church but it's just like it wasn't like

2:19:45

it is today and I can't I can't I can't do it I can't be part of it

2:19:51

you know um and like I said it breaks my heart because church was my Eden it was

2:19:57

the only place of sanity and structure in my my young life that was it

2:20:03

everything else was total and complete chaos it was only it was only the church

2:20:09

that that gave me any kind of structure or or sanity or security

2:20:16

mhm and why would I not want to return to that mhm right but it it really is like in in in

2:20:24

the in the Book of Genesis you know it really is like the two saraph are blocking my way

2:20:29

back I mean it's a lot more than two you know it's not it isn't just sofam right

2:20:35

but it's like I mean I I I really appreciate the the whole poetry of that that you know you can't go back you

2:20:42

can't go back to Eden you know you have to you have to move through the Wilderness mhm and get to the other side

2:20:50

and um again I mean most people are just going to say well you know who is this guy who cares about this guy I mean I'm

2:20:55

just I'm just calling it like I see it and it is very personal it's very personal to me it's extremely personal

2:21:01

to me um but um I just can't I can't I

2:21:06

can't play into it I can't I can't do it um I can't spend my

2:21:14

life fighting with other Christians online because I mean all these other these Christians that are fighting with

2:21:19

each other online should be turning their energies outward not Inward and it

2:21:25

always seems to me that this is um it's a sad symptom of of the real

2:21:32

decline of the power of of Christendom let's just say that so much of this anger is turned

2:21:41

inward you know again not that it always hasn't been you know like we talked about the wars of religion and so on but

2:21:47

at this point in time at this point in the timeline when the the the forces AR raid against

2:21:53

the church are so powerful and so numerous and so militant

2:21:59

and vengeful and nasty I mean there's just there's a level of anger that I've

2:22:04

never seen in my life I mean I'm I'm going to be 58 years old this year I've

2:22:09

never seen the kind of vehement against the church that exists today just the just

2:22:15

the spite you know and this is this is circle the wagon W

2:22:21

time this is not you know circular firing squad time this is circle the wagons time and it's like I saw this

2:22:29

happening 30 years ago and I just threw up my hands because I was powerless to

2:22:35

do anything about it powerless to do anything about it and to be honest with you I feel even more powerless you know

2:22:41

even though I ended up traing through the Wilderness I kind of feel like you

2:22:46

know I'm on the other side of that now but I I very much

2:22:52

feel I very much feel powerless in the face of this um and

2:22:59

it's a spiritual battle and there the only solution to the spiritual battle is

2:23:04

spiritual period period that that is the foundation of of any resistance against

2:23:10

this and if people can't even you know if they just if it's just like nominal

2:23:15

Christianity tribalism if they can't get past that

2:23:21

it's over forever it's just it's done you know and the second religiosity is

2:23:27

going to be this weird you know might have the it might wear the skin suit of the church but it's going to be this

2:23:32

sick evil bizarre Watcher worship Fallen Angel nonsense so there you go no I think I

2:23:40

think you're right that's it's why I don't engage with theological debates online I know a lot of people will you

2:23:47

know I take a lot of listen I I get DMS and messages from Catholics and Ortho

2:23:52

Bros you know who just feel the need to oh protestantism LED to all these terrible evil things like the world was

2:23:59

just fine under the Roman Catholic church or whatever it's like um I don't know you might want to look into the you know if you think if you think the

2:24:04

enlightenment you know or the Reformation was the end of all things like you might want to look into the Renaissance right the actual Renaissance

2:24:12

that's a whole other conversation like and understand what the role the church played and all that and all that stuff so but I don't engage in these debates

2:24:18

for that exact reason it's like you know on the like yes we do need to be unified

2:24:24

against this common enemy which will broadly label paganism like Christianity

2:24:29

is the answer in response to paganism and and yes people do argue you know

2:24:35

quite forcefully who's the one true church you need to come home to the one true church you're a heretic all that it's like would you shut up right like I

2:24:44

I'll gladly talk about you know Doctrine all day but I really think that there are more crucial threats that dealing

2:24:50

with and ultimately what I think it comes down to um maybe not necessarily you know in in uh in the Catholic

2:24:57

Protestant you know kind of denomination that kind of thing but I think that there's a lot of arguments that goes on

2:25:03

within the denominations themselves and I think it's easier to argue with your friends than it is to actually go out

2:25:08

there and confront an enemy right and I think that there's a I think oh yeah so

2:25:14

I mean that that should be like carved in stone yeah yeah and that's what I

Human Misery in the Collapse of Civilization

2:25:19

that's what I think the American Evangelical Church did for the past I'll probably say 30 or 40 years is they

2:25:25

decided that they would they would withdraw from fighting the culture and they would instead instead argue about

2:25:31

the Trinity and soteriology like and and I think the culture just said okay you guys can stay over there and generate

2:25:37

all of your books about various Christian doctrines that's fine just don't mess with what we've got going on

2:25:43

over here and the church is like okay cool and so American culture degenerates as as the church is focused inward on

2:25:49

its Naval and now when you have actual Christians that are trying to speak out against the culture they're fighting a

2:25:55

rear guard action right we fervently praying for National repentance well how

2:26:00

did it get here how did it get here it got here because the American Evangelical Church consciously or unconsciously probably mix of both took

2:26:07

its eye off a cultural ball and so now they find themselves living in Rome and the or Babylon and the big argument is

2:26:14

like well do we just do we just enjoy the decline right or do we actually

2:26:20

Institute a Christian form of government what's our relationship with power it's like what are you doing like do you see

2:26:27

what's going on and it it manifests in ways in this abortion debate around the election which I don't want to get into

2:26:33

but it's just it's just real question about what is a d natur Church do with a fallen culture and what does it also do

2:26:40

with confident fit capable Christian men who are biblically who are biblically

2:26:46

sound scripturally aware who aren't taking no for an answer and that that's the part you know that's where I sort of

2:26:52

find myself it's like hey guys that's messed up are we going to do anything about it no okay I'll go somewhere else

2:26:58

where the guys actually want to fight for something right and there's a lot of that right and and that's sort of the moment that we're in and so maybe

2:27:05

there's a little bit of Hope in there that there might be a church near you that has that fighting Spirit which I

2:27:10

don't think your church that you grew up in would have characterized itself as having a fighting Spirit but today the

2:27:15

same thing would be considered a fighting Spirit yeah it's funny how the conditions have changed like that but I

2:27:22

think for and first and foremost you know the arguments

2:27:28

made against paganism and I I again I don't

2:27:33

like the term and right at the top is this like I said this weird occult I

2:27:39

don't demonology or something yeah um is is just human Misery the human misery um

2:27:45

that has grown up in the wake of the apse of the structures of of an ordered

2:27:54

civilization so falling marriage rates falling birth rates skyrocketing suicide

2:27:59

rates skyrocketing obesity skyrocketing drug abuse skyrocketing

2:28:05

alcoholism uh I mean listen I'm I'm not a big fan of video games I I get in a

2:28:10

lot of trouble but you know men just sort of escaping into this

2:28:16

whole you know Escape pod of video games and porn and and and drugs and

2:28:22

everything like that I mean all these things um

2:28:27

create human misery that you know listen I I had a major

2:28:32

problem um that I I you know I I still have this chronic pain situation but

2:28:39

starting about 20 years ago you know these doctors just started pumping me full of all these drugs and at first I

2:28:45

felt better and then I felt insanely worse to the point that I spent more

2:28:51

days than I can count begging God to kill me I'm not I'm not even exaggerating I mean levels of pain that

2:28:56

I didn't even think were Possible Oh man um yeah it was it was I mean thank God i' you know been delivered from that but

2:29:03

um I I know all about how things that that seem to make you feel better even make make you feel great at first the

2:29:11

long-term effects are annihilating and again I mean as the

2:29:19

thing that is even worse is not only just like what adults are experiencing on an epidemic level but what we're

2:29:25

doing to our children you know what the you know never mind I mean this whole

2:29:31

religious program with you know the transitioning and so on um you know all the pharmacal that are being pumped with

2:29:38

uh you know all the sick weird uh when I call doctrines of demons

2:29:45

in that they're they're teaching in the schools that are just making kids crazy and Mis able and depressed I you know

2:29:54

everything is anti become anti-human MH and and destructive and am miserating

2:30:01

and that has to be at the FOC you know because people are going to say well you know I don't you know your religion I

2:30:07

don't know know whatever I don't you know Stu of me or whatever it's like oh you know you're bigoted and you're intolerant and all this other kind of

2:30:13

nonsense it's just like it always seems to me that that the things that are just insanely terrible now have to get even

2:30:20

more insanely terrible before people are going to wake up and start turning

2:30:25

things around and like I said I hope you know we don't end up in this whole

2:30:32

transhuman technocratic hellscape Fallen Angel worship world

2:30:38

before then I mean it's it's a real race um and there you go I we we are dealing

2:30:45

with challenges um but there's all you know outside of all

2:30:51

that I think that you know if you practice spiritual hygiene let's

2:30:57

just say uh there's just tremendous this I think there's still tremendous joy and

2:31:02

and happiness and fulfillment the the challenge is is to

2:31:08

not just sort of become Naval gazing but to bring it to other people and and maybe you're

2:31:15

going to have to do that on their terms um and and maybe that's the challenge um

2:31:22

you know I just look at the Apostle Paul I mean he was tireless and and he he would argue the pagans on their

2:31:31

own terms tirelessly and maybe that's what we need we need more you know we need more

2:31:37

Apostles like that I don't know um but like I said I can't I can't do it I

2:31:43

can't do it I I wish I could I really do wish I could I'm not I'm not kidding I really do wish I could but it's just

2:31:49

like I can't find you know I can't get lost in

2:31:55

that Brier patch again because it it caused I I think it it caused me so much pain that I think a

2:32:02

lot of my health problems were immensely exacerbated by it you know that just the

2:32:08

stress of it because what I thought was my Return to Eden was not and it it

2:32:14

created a a sense of just such deep disqui in me

2:32:20

that um you know I took it out on myself so anyway we didn't talk about secret

2:32:26

mysticism at all that's fine I I I this is much better I really this I'm GL you

2:32:33

know this is a lot more interesting to me and a lot more fun uh you know synchrom missis is a tool it's it non

2:32:40

sectarian uh you know Christians can can use it it's just basically a pattern

2:32:46

recognition tool um that I mean I I I've always argued that

2:32:53

you know JN of Patmos was the the first synchronistic um symbolism and so on and

2:32:59

so forth I mean we can we can talk about that more in depth at another time but

2:33:05

um it's it's a very useful tool and uh you know it it helped it it it kind

2:33:13

of helped me start to put things back together because the the real enemy is dissolution and fragmentation

2:33:20

what we want is wholeness you know I'm not talking about Oneness right that's a different thing I'm talking about

2:33:26

wholeness you know being whole being healthy

2:33:32

um in in a especially in a culture that wants to fragment you that is doing all

2:33:38

it can every day to fragment you to break you up to break you apart to set

2:33:43

you against yourself to set you against your brothers and sisters so on and so forth so that is really the challenge

2:33:49

the the the thing that synchr mysticism will be useful I think for Christians is that you can start to sort of put the

2:33:55

pieces back together and I would argue that you can start to see you know the hand of God at work in the world

2:34:03

today so can you say can you say just a little bit more about that but I just I

2:34:08

I just want to take a moment and say again that you know the loss of Eden the Heartbreak over that um the the the

2:34:15

frustration of of being rejected of uh feeling abandoned of wanting to find a

2:34:20

church home of of starting a young family and needing that structure and wanting that structure because it's what

2:34:26

you grew up with and it was part of your own family and spiritual formation it was your security it was your it was

2:34:31

your structure when everything was falling apart that's a real loss that's a that's a genuine that's a genuine

2:34:38

grief that I think um probably a lot of people feel right like for so for

2:34:44

example for me coming into the church I now have something that I've never had before there was never any Eden I found

2:34:51

it for the first time so throw the gates in go running in and throw myself on the lawn right amen hallelujah it's a very

2:34:58

different thing to have had the experience where you had been in Eden and you didn't know that that's what it

2:35:04

was you're too young to know what it was and so you have this memory of of this

2:35:09

of how church is supposed to be which is built into us as beings as Believers as Christians probably as humans in general

2:35:16

and then to absolutely yeah and then to lose that and to and again I remember

2:35:21

being a latch key kid kid and I haven't actually reflected on it until today like how alienating it is to to come

2:35:29

home to an empty house and let yourself in at the end of the day like how insane is that own supper yeah exactly and and

2:35:35

and in the face of that where you had a moment in your life a childhood where you had something so so different and so

2:35:43

better so much better and so I can understand the grief and the disillusionment and the frustration of

2:35:49

thinking that you would have found that at some point in time and you go back and you find entertainment church or you

2:35:54

find or you find arguments or you find division and it's like I'm just trying to find a thing that like I didn't

2:36:00

invent it it was already here where does exist and the massive disillusionment and grief and the real loss that you

2:36:06

would experience from that so I can I can relate to all that I can understand all of that at least so like not I can't

2:36:11

relate from my own experience but I can understand the feeling of like of how that must feel for a man and then

2:36:16

illness and all the stuff thrown in it's like where is the church church and and and that is that used to be a part of my

2:36:23

childhood you can we can lose parents we can lose relatives but the church is supposed to be there and then it just

2:36:31

wasn't and as that's happening as it's the church is falling away you watch around you during the course of your own

2:36:38

lifetime as an adult American society degrading degenerating crumbling collapsing step by step by step by step

2:36:45

and I can imagine that would add to the grief and the frustration and even a of outrage that this thing that you had has

2:36:52

has gone totally and when you try to show up to try and contribute they're like no we don't need it yeah I I be

2:36:58

pretty upset too well let let me get synchronistic for you yeah so I started getting interested in synchronicity like

2:37:06

just meaningful coincidences back in the early 90s and I had this dream I had

2:37:13

this really powerful dream that my wife and and a you know close friend of mine who was a Christian went into this

2:37:20

church and the um you know the pastor sort of held up this uh like this chalice like

2:37:27

the communion chalice and it it was like admitting the sort of white light right and it was just like you know the and

2:37:33

you'd see in like a Holy Grail movie or something and um and like the church sort of had like this circular uh

2:37:41

sanctuary and it was it was a specific church that I used to walk by all the time that I'd never actually been in so

2:37:47

one Sunday uh September M 5 1993 I went to a service there and I was like oh wow

2:37:55

the the church has got that sort of circular shape to it oh that's interesting and it was and it was

2:38:01

communion Sunday first Sunday methodists celebrate communion first Sunday of every month and U and then there was this um

2:38:09

this this pastor there this uh Jamaican gentleman I think it's Jamaican or

2:38:14

Barbadian um and and then I realized I I don't

2:38:20

know I don't remember how I realized but I realized he was the brother of the the the present pastor at

2:38:28

the church I grew up in okay do you see that do you see might

2:38:34

I I feel like I'm not selling this well so he you know so he was he was the brother of the you know the present

2:38:39

pastor of my old Eden yes so I was like oh my I found I refound Eden right I I

2:38:45

was just like it it just blew my mind I I couldn't believe it cuz I had this dream you know with this this communion

2:38:51

chice and everything like that um unfortunately the service was just typical liberal Protestant boredom

2:39:00

I mean just the boredom oh is just excruciating and um but the the real

2:39:06

killer for for me was is that I called the church because I I was like this is

2:39:12

amazing you know I wanted to tell them about this and I got the um the assistant pastor who was this total car

2:39:20

and and she was like actively hostile like actively hostile to me like

2:39:27

why are you calling me what are you talking about why you know this is a

2:39:32

pastor you know I mean the the part of their job is you know providing

2:39:38

spiritual counseling for people right I mean that's literally what they get paid for doing and she was like you know I

2:39:46

was like a crank caller like an obscene phone caller something that's that's how she treated me mhm it was a slap in the

2:39:53

face like I felt like it was I never went back to that church by the way but it it was a real slap in the face I I I

2:40:00

was like I was really wounded by this because I thought I had this like I remember talking to my aunt that night

2:40:06

and she's like see that's a sign you know that's a sign from God right and like what how did the uh you know the

2:40:13

assistant pastor of this church I you know I I don't even think I got to that point to bring that up I just you know I

2:40:20

don't I forget what I was even asking her but she made me feel like I was an obscene phone caller and it was just it

2:40:27

was just so what's even the term deflating um is dis I mean disappointment doesn't

2:40:36

quite do it justice it it was it was just

2:40:42

like like wound it's like I was wounded you know and this is a pastor I mean

2:40:48

even if she you know she maybe she was in a bad mood or something she's got to at least go through the motions well she

2:40:55

being a pastor is the first problem yeah but anyhow I mean anyhow I it's

2:41:01

just you know but that was interestingly enough that didn't get me back to my

2:41:07

Eden but that really started me in my synchronistic okay Journey you know

2:41:12

thinking about dreams signs symbols signs and wonders symbol AS

2:41:21

synchronicity all that kind of stuff um and and maybe that that was the

2:41:28

plan maybe that was the plan um you know like I said sometimes I feel like the

2:41:34

Exile you know uh exiled from

2:41:40

Eden um and and maybe that's just you know my lot in life I don't know but um

2:41:47

there you go yeah and so I mean I would say that along the road you picked up some pretty valuable information and

2:41:53

some valuable skills that's my that's my story so I I didn't come from Eden in

2:41:59

the same way or at all but I try to make sense of my road right it was you know

2:42:05

God plans his man was it man uh a heart of man plans his way but God plans his steps you know so that's what we started

2:42:12

talking about we're yeah we're all just kind of finding our way and responding to responding in reactions to and

2:42:19

reacting to situations on the ground with our own you know particular blind spots and virtues right and as I try to

2:42:26

make sense coming to Christ now and I look back at my experience traveling the world and engaging in all these new age

2:42:32

Pursuits well clearly I have to put that into service because I was an exile in my own way let's say and so now okay

2:42:40

well this is what I have this is what I can do is it useful and maybe with synchrom mysticism you know you found

2:42:47

something similar well you know I mean I've read a bit about I've seen you talk a bit about you

2:42:53

know your experiences and so on and um that seems to be like almost like um

2:43:00

like tempering yeah it was definitely that you know what I mean by that like yeah testing tempering yeah

2:43:08

strengthening you know and it and it's I I I'm not going to say it's

2:43:14

unusual to sort of come out the other side of that but um a a lot of people just get lost in that chaos world that's

2:43:22

right um and go down from there I mean the one thing that have really come to

2:43:29

appreciate you know obviously from the experiences that I talked about with the the drugs and so on is that

2:43:37

um you know the road to hell you know you never most people don't start off

2:43:42

with that destination in mind no no you kind of um you kind of you kind of end

2:43:50

up there uh you know with that old that old expression the road to hell is paved with good intentions and I mean it's

2:43:56

really true but I I think what I've discovered and I've seen what I've

2:44:01

observed in other people as well is that um you've got to get you've got to get

2:44:09

your idea of self-importance out of your head you've got to get the idea of like

2:44:15

I am the center that I am the focus that un that American consumerism

2:44:22

instills in us from birth right and has become in you know

2:44:28

become toxic in the extreme now because you will never be happy you will never

2:44:33

find true joy that way you know you find true Joy by stepping outside yourself by

2:44:41

getting outside your head by stepping aside from your ego and your narcissistic

2:44:49

fantasies those only bring you misery those only bring you to hell you know

2:44:56

humility uh and getting a getting outside of of that

2:45:04

self orientation again that is such an central part of

2:45:10

americanism that's where real happiness comes from and and there's

2:45:16

no you know and I'm just sort of leading aside faith and so on just just for now

2:45:22

but I'm just saying like because there are people who who do have faith but still have the

2:45:27

ego you you see what I'm saying and it's like that kind of leads you away too so

2:45:35

I'm trying to think of a good Bible verse to back me up here and I can't all I can think of is like he who humbles

2:45:41

himself shall be exalted and he who exalts himself should be humbled that's the only I can think of that's pretty

2:45:47

good one a good one I'll take that one yeah I I I I told you I've been thinking

2:45:53

about that for 35 years you because I remember how did I come out of the um

2:46:00

the new age thing is um I got a copy of the New Testament and I'd read it on the train every day but it the funny thing

2:46:08

was is that I'd go to this place called East West bookstores in in New York did you ever go there I've heard of it okay

2:46:15

big big new age bookstore but I always sort of you know there was all like you know whatever all the different varieties and stuff and I always they

2:46:22

had all the Christian books in the in the back corner you know it's like in the back of the bus and I always just

2:46:27

like like I said like being that little iron filing sort of drawn to the magnet right but um but that's when I found

2:46:36

myself in the situation where I'm that we talked about before like

2:46:42

just being completely alone completely

2:46:47

alone and it's nobody wants to be alone and I really believe I really believe

2:46:53

that you can't have you know a solid

2:47:00

uh well I'm just going to come out and say it I don't think you can have a solid faith on your own I think you need Community I think you need support

2:47:07

nobody can go It Alone you know maybe there are like these holy men and these Saints and these Mystics that could go

2:47:13

out into the Wilderness and so on like St Anthony or somebody you you need you need

2:47:21

backup I really I honestly really believe that and if if you're just

2:47:26

surrounded by hostility Andor indifference you can't do it you you

2:47:33

need you need people in your corner you know especially as we're going into this

2:47:38

world that is just so hostile on so many different levels you know not only to

2:47:44

Christians you know but you know as as you're doing your work to men you know

2:47:50

that wants to you know that this Empire that wants to emasculate all the men

2:47:56

living under its ages so if you forgive me I'm I'm kind

2:48:02

of like getting a little bit out of breath so I'm going have to stop talking no problem then if you don't mind I just

2:48:08

want to ask you just one more question then so for so for people who are encountering Synchro mysticism and work

2:48:14

in your work for the first time and these related subjects what can they do to prevent themselves from going off the

2:48:20

deep end cuz it can be the sort of thing that people can get into it and then they just go diving right off so what

2:48:25

advice would you provide to people who've never heard of any of this stuff that sounds interesting to them they're going in cold how do how do you keep

2:48:32

them on the rails glad you glad you asked me that question it's a very important question

2:48:39

because a lot of times maybe every time when people get into it they think oh

2:48:44

this is about me you know I'm the focus of this because they find themselves dealing

2:48:51

with this you know synchronicity

2:48:57

um and and they just start to think that you know it's some div divine power

2:49:03

uniquely bestowed upon them you know three simple

2:49:10

words I think there's more to it but three simple words I think will help it's not

2:49:16

about you it's oh four simple words four simple words it's not about

2:49:23

you it's not about you it's not about you and and if you're a a Christian I

2:49:30

would say uh you know I will I will use this you know to serve

2:49:39

Christ I I will use this tool this technique because there are Christian

2:49:44

synchronistic by the way I a lot of them aren't as active as they used to be but

2:49:49

you know 10 15 years ago there there were some and they were doing interesting work so

2:49:57

um it's it's not magic it's pattern recognition you know it's it's what all

2:50:04

you know all these computers that we uh we deal with every day run on you know

2:50:10

it's sign you know symbols pattern recognition codes all these kind of things um but

2:50:18

it's it's it's not about you and just if you find yourself interested in it just

2:50:24

use it for service you know make it make it make it a part of your

2:50:31

service that's I think are the two

2:50:37

best ways to avoid because it it will drive people

2:50:42

crazy I've seen it drive people crazy a lot and it's kind of difficult for me

2:50:49

because a lot of them o believe me over the years a lot of these people have come to me and they've lost their minds

2:50:55

yeah I think they're always kind of maybe moving that way to begin with and it's like you

2:51:03

know kind of have to say like I'm not your therapist you know I can't I'm not a

2:51:10

doctor you know um you need help from

2:51:16

somebody you know who's qual ified to to do that

2:51:21

um but it is real uh I I don't know what it is I mean I don't it's just I think

2:51:28

it's just a fundamental part of nature I mean Wolf Gang Paulie who was uh a quantum mechanics

2:51:36

physicist believed in it and he believed that it was just a fundamental part of

2:51:42

reality um you know I would argue that it's all over the Bible Book of Daniel Book of Revelation um

2:51:49

signs and wonders that's I think what's that's what they called it back then

2:51:55

um but you know if you believe that God is is is speaking to

2:52:01

us he's you know you should always worry if like you hear God talking to you like

2:52:07

audibly right God has a much broader pallet to work with you understand what

2:52:15

I'm saying and you know and that's that's that's how I first approached it

2:52:21

and and interestingly enough I'm coming back to that realization you know uh you'll you might

2:52:27

find yourself uh a drift you know um

2:52:34

unanchored but um I don't know just be faithful and and

2:52:40

and trust God to to bring you back I think all you can do amen sir love it

2:52:48

thank you yeah where would you like to find where would you like to send people to find out more about you and what you

2:52:56

do um you made it I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't want to scare

2:53:03

people because uh I'll send you a Twitter account you know it's it's kind of like I don't want to drop people like

2:53:08

in the middle of a of a movie you know like in the scary parts you know I mean I don't know I I um I blog at Secrets

2:53:15

sun. blogspot.com um I today I blog or I posted it last night early this morning

2:53:22

um I posted on Revelation 12 so that might be a good but this is where gonna

2:53:28

be airing next week so maybe I don't know uh Secrets under

2:53:34

blogspot.com um I I am working on a book

2:53:39

that I intend to come out in May called The synchrom Mystic handbook that is going to spell out my

2:53:46

methodology and uh uh you know my attitudes and my beliefs and so on but uh there you go great well I look

2:53:55

forward to that I'll send people to your Twitter account to you'll find us messing around on Twitter from time to time yeah I Twitter is the

2:54:04

Thunderdome you know what I'm saying yeah Twitter used to be like this place where people just like post jokes and so

2:54:11

on and then it got in invaded by the Tumblr EAS MH and then all the

2:54:16

mainstream media CIA a people you know it's it's it is the the the Thunderdome

2:54:22

it's like I put on my armor when I go in there it's like you have to you have to

2:54:27

uh it's I I try to keep as you know as much as my soul intact but you

2:54:36

know it's it's it's the ring you know you're stepping into the ring you know

2:54:41

uh it's more and more so these days and it's it's only going to become you you

2:54:48

know worse in the future but one thing I would just like to um you know part with

2:54:54

is you know one thing that I say you know because I'm fixated on the Book of Revelation because it's just this great

The Happy Ending of Revelation

2:55:01

puzzle that I'm solving um is that it has the happiest ending of of any book

2:55:07

ever right like that's if you go oh the book you know apocalypse Doom and Gloom

2:55:13

you know Armageddon and all this stuff it's like well you know that's the early chapters mhm you know read like chapter

2:55:19

20 2122 it's like it's that's the happiest ending of any book in history

2:55:26

so but I think that's very real because I think in order

2:55:31

to you know get back get back to the Garden you have to you have to struggle

2:55:37

in the wilderness and I I think that a

2:55:43

problem you know not only with like new age kind of people where everything's sort of fluffy and light but quite

2:55:48

frankly a lot of Christians is that they just they don't understand that you're

2:55:54

in a struggle you're in a battle you know the Supernatural is real it it is is very

2:56:01

real I mean a lot of people don't want to hear that you know I told about my friend Derek Gilbert from Skywatch and

2:56:08

and you know we've talked about this is that a lot of people in a lot of churches just

2:56:14

don't want to talk about the super Supernatural they just are not comfortable with it m mhm I mean personally I don't think I don't know

2:56:20

how you can talk about Christianity without talking about the supernatural right but maybe that is you know when

2:56:25

you talk about how did it all fall apart maybe that's one of the the ways it did fall apart is that because when you take

2:56:31

this this the supernatural spiritual battle aspect out of it what are you left with just like a

2:56:38

lot of like fine nice feelings and bromides and oh this is a nice man who you should all emulate you know that's

2:56:47

that's not even half the story mhm you know what I mean you know the story is this battle that we are all

2:56:55

in so whether whether you like it or not you know whether you acknowledge it or

2:57:01

not it doesn't matter whether you're a Christian or not whether you acknowledge it or not you're you're in this battle

2:57:06

you know and I what I've been trying to do with my work particularly for the past seven years is is show people that

2:57:12

the battle is really heating up okay so there you go

2:57:19

well thank you so much I really appreciate all your wisdom and and your generosity of sharing your story and and

2:57:24

I think it's going to resonate with a lot of people I really appreciate it oh it was great I I knew this was going to

2:57:30

be a good one I I don't know I I just I get I kind of like get a sense of people and I just have always gotten like a

2:57:36

really good sense from you like you just thank you you know you you got a a pure

2:57:41

heart thank you sir I'm honored by that very blessed thank you praise God

2:57:48

thank you sir