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hello my name is will spencer and you're listening to the renaissance of men podcast this is interview number 40 a

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near five-hour marathon with the bitcoin citizen and sovereign hopeful laser

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hoddle this is a time of transformation

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[Music] as old ways fall men are called to rise

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to heal our lives grow strong

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and transcend our limitations in tribes around the world

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drawing on the best of masculinity from all of time a new day is beginning

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this is the renaissance of men you

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are the renaissance underneath all of it all wars are

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bankers force um all wars are are the the manifest

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business of of uh monetary colonization

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um that that central banking is is is an imperial force that is uh uh draping

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itself over all of all of our families times in order to conduct planetary usury um

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and uh it's money you know it's the money changers and you know and and and sort of the view of the the christians

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it's the money changers um uh and so

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that's the the core thesis and and that um in doing so um

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the the the problem with the system that they've derived is it's very efficacious at

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usury in time theft and creating debt slaves of everyone um but it also it

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it it is destabilizing the the world quicker and quicker and it has

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a lot of uh downstream side effects that are undesirable um the population

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went parabolic after 1970 um and it could be for a lot of reasons about

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like sanitary you know better conditions with with sanitation and

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and antibiotics and and and broader uh food um access but uh

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disconnect you know basically creating a welfare state a nanny state allowed a

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population growth to explode and so you we went from like under a billion to eight billion in like 70 years

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and and and that's when the fiat era started and so in a weird way this system

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has created like um a massive underclass of of useless feeders of people who

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um they're net negative in terms of they consume more resources than they produce

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um and uh that's a quagmire um that money printing created and

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[Music] what the heck is going on

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if you're anything like me the past two years have had you asking that question perhaps multiple times per week

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not only does it seem like every institution has become corrupt and is crumbling

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but also that there's no one in the public sphere to trust and that nothing makes sense

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international governments and bureaucracies issue contradictory edicts about an illness that most resembles the

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flu while brands bankrupt themselves supporting social justice causes that only a handful of people care about

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the media lies to our face then gaslights us about the lying elections don't seem to matter nor

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freedom of speech really either men wear surgical masks while driving alone in cars

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cities burn in quote mostly peaceful protests children stare at computer screens all

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day on zoom rather than going to actual schools and drown in sexualized content

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on tick tock the rest of the day confusing them and their identities we're threatened with the need to put

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unknown substances into our bloodstream to drive across state lines or travel overseas by pale government bureaucrats

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and an alleged president who can't remember his name meanwhile for those of us who still have jobs on threatened by oppressive

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mandates we're finding that our full-time work weeks earn us purchasing power increasingly equivalent to a

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part-time job with no end to that trend in sight and as we look around in 2022 we see

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gradually emptying shelves fat accumulating on everyone's bodies men's testosterone and sperm counts

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dropping and the decaying moral and social fabric everywhere all seemingly overnight

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as i said what the heck is going on wasn't a party of endless growth the

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promise why the sudden powerful decay why does everything feel so heavy all

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the time what if i told you there's an answer a grand narrative in an age where grand

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narratives are forbidden only this one is hidden in plain sight behind a fog of chaos

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if i were to tell you that grand narrative i couldn't claim it as my own because i learned it from another man

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which brings me to my guest this week his name is laser hoddle and he's a husband former software engineer

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fantastically deep and broad thinker bitcoin citizen and sovereign hopeful

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the word hoddle in his name refers to that for those who don't know it's not a typo think of it as a way that such a

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man signals he's all in i have listened to many men and women in the past couple years attempt to explain

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what's going on in our world the best of them grasp one part more or less but none have seemed to me like

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they've got a hold of it all until i heard laser huddle a couple of short months ago and realized i think

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this man has got it his thesis is that what we're experiencing has nothing to do with viruses or systemic oppression staying

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safe or not killing grandma the answer is far more prosaic and at the same time bigger than everything

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because what's going on at root has to do with money how it's created and why that system is failing or perhaps has

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already failed and what might happen next and surprisingly knowing that isn't

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frightening but empowering because buried within that picture is the answer for what we as men can do about it

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i mean really do about it and the answer is bitcoin at this stage in my opening essays i

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usually say in our conversation we discussed and i list off five bullet points

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but in this conversation laser hotel and i discuss just one thing why bitcoin is immediately urgently

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relevant to you as a man that subject is so broad and far-reaching it took us almost five

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hours to cover it in total including all of lasers greatest hits and more we

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moved from malthusian fear spells to global finance geopolitics and get on

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xero our personal histories and far beyond into the christian religion our shared faith

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and bitcoin touches on it all for those of you unfamiliar with bitcoin

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what it is and how it works fear not shortly after this podcast is released

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i'll be doing a companion episode about the how and what of bitcoin with the man who gave me my orange pill carlos fenman

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the bitcoin coach in this episode with laser hoddle however we go deep into the why of

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bitcoin and set up lawn chairs and in that i encourage you to listen

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carefully to our discussion we go all the way out there don't be afraid to rewind and listen

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again or even a third time because it's vitally important that we all get this as men as we're building

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our bodies and families anew human society needs reconstruction too

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and there's nothing more fundamental to global human society than money if we succeed in transforming that as you'll

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see there's nothing we can't do a couple quick notes before we begin

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first we recorded this episode last thursday before the recent big dip and more importantly either laser hotel

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nor i are offering financial advice or selling any financial instruments we do not benefit in any way from your

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participation in bitcoin beyond how you benefit the wider network and potentially the world

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we are inviting you to participate in an experience with us that has changed our lives and many

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others this grand episode is sponsored by deepwell designs makers of fine silver

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and stone jewelry handmade in the western united states keep listening for more information or hit the link in the

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description and if you enjoy the renaissance of men podcast thank you please don't forget to

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leave us a rating in review and share it with your friends i think they'll want to enjoy the bounty of this conversation

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so it gives me great pleasure to introduce my 40th guest on the renaissance of men podcast a mind and a

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man that i admire greatly laser huddle [Music]

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laser huddle thanks so much for joining me on the podcast today well it's a pleasure i've been excited

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to come aboard and and talk masculinity talk bitcoin thanks for having me

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awesome well i've been looking forward to this conversation so much because i think that for the past couple years so

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many men have been trying to figure out what the heck is going on just to make sense of the world that seems to have

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gone mad overnight almost overnight and i've been during that time i've been listening to

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a lot of different takes about what might be happening and when i first heard your take i think it was on the

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tails for the [ __ ] podcast i was like this man has a grounded open perspective on what's going on that

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just makes sense on this really really deep level and synthesizes so many different topics that relate to as you

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said bitcoin money society politics culture and also masculinity so i'm like this is a perfect opportunity for us to

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connect and expand the conversation around masculinity yeah i agree totally

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you know i think we're surrounded with folks that are trying to make sense of the last two years um from 2020 yeah on

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covid and everything we're seeing around us and so there's an incredible amount of

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confusion um and a lot of grasping trying to to make sense of it

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and um you know what my basic principle is that

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you need to follow the money if you don't have a money-based thesis

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as to what we're seeing in the world you don't have much why and i agree with i agree with you

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but why why is that why money of all the different things because there are so many different ways to look at it and

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and i agree with you that money is so is so central but for a man listening to this who's exploring masculinity but

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doesn't understand how money applies to it where do you see the the vital overlap as being

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well you have to break down what money is so when people hear that term follow the

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money they they assume that it's a there's a like a strong greed element like

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someone is doing things to the world that just wants money and it's far deeper than that

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and what money is so money is is stored energy so

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you learn a skill and you produce value for the world and you store the returns of that the

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profit of that in money and that allows you to access other people's efforts

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other people's sacrifice other people's energy so it's it's it's how you trade energy

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within the human species now that is the fundamental bedrock of the

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entire world okay so when you understand that money is yours your time it's your stored time your

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sacrifice your effort um it's important because

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that's the fundamental incentive right and so

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everything that you see in terms of macro events geopolitical events

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things that affect the whole world at once has its roots in this prime

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uh this this dominant incentive um so every world war you need to be able

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to explain in terms of monetary phenomena it's not just conflict between nations

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um and and and so so the same thing i would submit is the case with kovid and

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when i started looking at the last two years from the point of view of a monetary phenomenon

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you know and i started studying history with that point of view it allowed me to create a narrative that described what

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we were experiencing more comprehensively than i think

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many people had had sort of managed to before [Music]

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and that's what really landed for me about about your perspective is that by rooting everything routing everything

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through the notion of money suddenly everything made sense but you routed it in such a in such a different way

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because like you said follow the follow the money right people hear that and they think they think greed like the

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accumulation of capital but it's actually it's actually quite a bit darker than that it's not just the

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accumulation of capital it's the deprivation of others from their capital and from the value of their capital like

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the the which is to say we work we give our time and our life force energy

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to the production of something of value and that comes back to us in the form of money but if you take if you take a

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dollar away from us that's as bad as turning a dollar into 50 cents through

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inflation and so both of these phenomena are happening at the same time and when you put those pieces pieces together

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then it all started making quite a bit more sense what we're seeing around us with covet and all that

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yeah if you can if you can take someone's money uh through money printing so you're taking

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it in in this invisible manner that's not obvious and then

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not only are you stealing their time from the past stealing their past sacrifice their past energy but you're

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forcing them to continue right so you actually can and command their time and

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when you build society on a system that allows this unchecked

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time theft through money printing that you know inflation um and people can't defend themselves

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from that inflation what you're doing is it's actually a type of usury it's a

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type of planetary um slavery because you can command uh

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the time of everyone on earth because they have no way to uh defend themselves from that um

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and and so that's so important to understand this this monetary system that we live in today this is is based

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on um uh paper notes that exist digitally but they're they're fiat

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notes that the the government has sort of imbued with authority and told us

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that this is how you'll exchange your time and effort in these notes and and they of course have the ability to

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create those at will and um that's a big problem

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because uh well you know in the last two years it's clear

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inflation when it gets really high you see your future disintegrating you see your retirement

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disappear and you see the chances that you'll have to work harder longer increase

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and um that's that's a absolute travesty

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um it's it's it's one of the the most severe injustices i can think of and it it honestly gives me a type of

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um like this this anger

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um it's just hard to fully it's hard to overstate

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the the cruelty that that that is casting out across

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the world so um it's important to it's really important to realize that

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um this fiat system that we live in you know up until now we really have not

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had a choice you've kind of had to work with the constraints and do your best to get ahead

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and when inflation came and pulled you back you just rolled with it but with something like a bitcoin

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more and more are waking up and realizing they actually don't have to play that game

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for the first time ever you can start building your life around this idea that your energy your savings your effort

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your sacrifice that you can protect it and there isn't a single government or money printer in the world that can

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steal that time that's so it's so important because i think there

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are so many men now that feel and you can't really miss it like if if you've missed the fact that something is really

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really wrong like you're probably not listening to this podcast in the first place but if you've missed i mean so

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many men feel that something is very deeply wrong and you can look around and you can see mandate excuse me mandates passports you know

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you can see masks and the craziness but then there's also this phenomenon of like the empty shells and then there's

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the feeling that money doesn't go so far and hey that's kind of been happening for a really long time so where do i put

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my money that i've worked hard for into uh we'll say a store of value that

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will protect it for the long term there's no place to put it i put it in my savings account and just interest rates are zero i put it in the stock

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market and the stock market blows up because of uh because of a bunch of mortgages mortgage-backed securities you

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know i put it in a 401k maybe you put in all these different places and there's this feeling that the money that you've

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worked hard your whole life for no matter where you put it is going to be taken or squandered or lost in some way

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and you have no recourse and that's the power because it's run by central banks it's run by governments it's run by this

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financial system from which there's no exit except for bitcoin and that's why

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bitcoin is so important and that's again another reason why i'm excited at this conversation because you connect these

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dots in a way that i've never really heard anyone do before as men we've been stripped bare of our

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defenses um and that yeah systematically society has has

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made us defenseless in the in the face of um processed food defenseless in the face

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of sort of woke feminine culture of defenseless in the faith of money

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printing that steals our time um you know so on and on there are these

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forces that that prevent a man from living his purpose living his role

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um having his proper uh sovereign authority as a man and

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bitcoin reverses the bedrock of that um suddenly you can

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you can learn something that that you're good at you can produce value for the world you can save that

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effort in bitcoin and you know that you're going to be able to retire you know that you're going to be able to

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build a life around that that you have that that rock to settle on

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um that no one can touch um it's it's just it can't be overstated how critical that

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is to to what it means to be a man and you know

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money printing has undermined every asset class so of course you can't store your money

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in the fiat that they're printing right if you um in the last 18 months over 80 percent

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of all the dollars uh that existed have came have been printed right so

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all that extra money is going to make its way into goods and services

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not evenly but it will cause inflation in terms of the things that you have to buy to live things that you want so you

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want a house you want to be able to pay for education you want groceries you

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want a vehicle all these things are going to be awash with this brand new money and that increased competition is

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going to cause the prices to to rise that's inflation right that's how you you ultimately feel it that way and so

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if 80 of all the dollars that have ever existed were created in the last 18 months what's the inflation rate and it

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just depends which bucket of goods and services that you take right if i just take um vegetable oil and soy food you

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know it's the inflation rate's going to be really low because those the marginal cost on those on those fiat

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products are extremely low so but if i take a a bucket of goods and

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services of things that we all desire the inflation rate's probably at 40 to 60 percent and has been for two years

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before that it's probably been between 10 to 20 and it has been four decades so think

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about that that means that that fiat money that you earn your salary in you need to

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immediately get rid of it immediately because every day that you hold that it's melting like an ice cube in your

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hand and and your time your effort is being stolen every day that you hold

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those dollars for example but now with with inflation this high

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um there isn't a single investment strategy that can survive it right so if you're doing um index funds

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right so you move your your wealth into index funds that try and track the

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broader equity market those aren't perform those do not have

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20 30 40 50 returns right so if you're you're losing your

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time you're losing your wealth you're losing your future if you're in index funds right so diversification is no

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longer enough just to protect you know you're protecting your wealth slightly better than dollars

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okay that that's no good right now right um and so that actually eliminates the

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whole financial independence retirement uh the fire that whole fire thesis gets

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destroyed by money printing um if you go into real estate in rental properties you get absolutely you know you're

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cutting yourself off with the shins with this level of money printing the inflation's so high

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that you're doing a huge amount of labor but you're not able to store your wealth

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it's still bleeding you um this explains why you see people going crazy in robin hood trying to pick the

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stock that will allow you know this fervor of stock picking um because there's a general um feeling that

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there's no way to save right now so money is sloshing between all these different strategies

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in this highly volatile environment because because money printing has undermined at

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every asset class um bonds you know right now you have sovereigns buying um more than half of

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the bonds no one's buying foreign debt mostly these countries are buying their own debt um including the u.s now we buy

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over half of our own debt so you wouldn't want to store your wealth in treasuries um in real returns those are

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negative um so it's it's you know that's not

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that's not a i i can't recommend that right so okay you can't store in dollars

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you can't store in equities you're only left gambling on individual stock picks

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that's no good you can't store in treasuries bonds um so you know

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the the the problem that we're seeing is when you undermine what money does it forces everything else to act like money

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everything else has to go on this price this price discovery and that's why you

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see goods and services and all other assets they they start searching for

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what they're worth you go in the grocery store things are searching for what they're worth and they're worth twice of

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what they were last year um how many times can people

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tolerate their bills doubling annually right [Music]

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if you look at the way that countries hyper inflate i can tell you that it's only a couple years before you get

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social unrest and riot right people just can't they can't tolerate their bills doubling

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twice three times and i don't think that that's the case in the us either i think um you know if eggs double again and

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your utility bill doubles again and all your bills across the board everyone's racing to pass the buck because they

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don't want to pay for inflation they pass it they pass the buck to the last person that's the consumer so how

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much can the consumer tolerate so you know in this environment where do

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you put your money and that's that's the ultimate thing you're out there working you want

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something to show for it you want to build a life for it build a family you can't trust these asset classes because

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you're being robbed blind everything around you that you need is going up in cost

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so this is a huge it's a huge quandary um and then you know that that

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explains the base appeal of bitcoin families are attracted to bit because they see that there's only 21 million of

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these things and they can defend themselves from this time theft now of course bitcoin within like you

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know i've i always said bitcoin is like a two plus year asset you know so just like as a man you

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wouldn't you wouldn't surround yourself with other guys who are you know short-term minded you you surround

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yourself with two plus year guys right it's the same thing bitcoin is a two plus year asset

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so within zero to two years bitcoin does all sorts of things you wouldn't you would you're you wouldn't attach your emotions

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to those things because uh it's it's a it's a an asset that's going through monetization so as it's going through

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this adoption curve it's erratic in the zero to two years but at any point in bitcoin's existence

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it's it's in the green on a two two-plus horizon so if you simply say

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okay my sacrifice my effort my energy i'm gonna store it in bitcoin

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hold it in this little hardware wallet and i'm gonna think about it as a two plus

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your asset and is it stealing for me or is it giving me my time back like two plus

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your horizon and you'll see that it gives you your time back if you start

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pricing out the things that you want in your life on a two two-plus year horizon house car school kids you'll see that

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they are becoming they're coming within your gravitational pull they're becoming more in reach so

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you can reverse that decay of inflation and that's that's hampering the world

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right now that's absolutely fundamental i mean that's everything um

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and and so what many do when they get to bitcoin is they kind of think of it as a savings account and i you know what that

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makes total sense you kind of say okay money printing broke every other asset class

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when i get my paycheck i'll pay my my uh liabilities right my rent or

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whatever and then i will use bitcoin as a savings account because i have stuff in the

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future i want because i man i'm i'm building a life i'm building a family

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so i want to know that i can have purchasing power in the future and it's not going to be evaporated

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by the this money printing economics that we're we're living through this peak kind of moment that doesn't look so

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different than like a weimar it doesn't look so different than like a venezuela

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or zimbabwe you know our politicians are completely addicted now to money

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printing they think it grows on trees more money is going to be the answer to

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um every problem and what they don't realize is you can print all the money you want but you

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can't print more goods and services you can't print more physical assets and you can't print more human time all you can

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do is steal all that those things by creating a bunch of money and handing it to insiders who go out and grab the real

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stuff and bid up the prices on the real things blackrock well there you go blackrock acting as an

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arm of the fed of a central bank is um

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nationalizing so many things you know it's almost like the japanification of the us they're

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nationalizing dogs they're nationalizing homes

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you know the the globalist thesis the great reset where they say you will own nothing and

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be happy if you were wondering as to how that would occur you know you could debase

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the money using money printing debase people's times and as they get financially

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desperate you can use money printing to relieve them of their hard assets

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[Music] so oh sorry go ahead well there's a um

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there's a uh a parallel in weimar germany prices starting going up when it started going up so fast that people

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became speculators everyone did because they thought they were getting rich that they actually sold their

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houses and sold all their hard goods for paper money they thought you know i'm a good jillionaire now

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but when it when the the confidence in government money had completely fell through the bottom they

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found that they were holding these notes and they no longer had home they no longer that physical asset right and so

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um you know i caution people kind of getting into the the dollar fervor you

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know as inflation on their houses is going up i've seen people get into the housing market because they're taking that as a signal of flourishing when

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it's not it's a signal of the money breaking and there's a very dangerous end game where you hold a bunch of money

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that doesn't buy anything and you no longer have hard assets

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so okay so i want to i want to talk about there's so many different directions i want to go right now but at

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the risk of being super remedial what i would like you to do is i would like you to take the things that you just said

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about storing your time no asset classes for investment and all that and i want you to tie it please directly to

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masculinity for the man listening to this who might be like what does this what does this have to do with me as a

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man i'm listening to the renaissance of men podcast what does all this mean to me you know about inflation etc and

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asset classes and reset what does it mean to me as a man can you tie that thread because i want to go super remedial with this so that guys who

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don't know anything about bitcoin or anything about the financial market or about fiat or anything like that understand why we are talking about you

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man who's listening so if you could tie that thread real quick the fundamental responsibility of the

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moon is to provide you provide a

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attractive and stable lifestyle for your needs for your

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women for your family if you cannot so you can hustle all you

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want you can have side gigs but if you have no way to take that effort and hold

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on to it in a way that it can't be taken from you you don't have anything your

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your entire purview is being illegitimized

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and that is numero uno that's the most important

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thing as men that we have to think about because if you can't provide

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you know what what is your value if your ability to provide is is being

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irreversibly undermined by money printing you know you can hustle

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you can build great health you can build a confident and inspirational lifestyle that attracts

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women but if you can't hold on to any of your value and and you don't know if

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you're going to be able to provide then the value proposition

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for men is completely underminded and instead what's left is this welfare

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state because people get attracted into the government because it appears to be the only thing that can provide

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stability well we need to take that back as men men need to be the things that provide

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stability heads of households and so i i contend that bitcoin is a bedrock

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for that that actually reverses that trend of the state absorbing the

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responsibility of head of household it it sends it back in the direction of men

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who can actually with confidence provide value for the world

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save it in an unstoppable way and then provide for women and children

33:44

bang bang i mean that's this is what's real to every man i think is listening to

33:50

this right now as they're feeling the world kind of getting away from them

33:55

and there's lots of reasons there's lots of reasons why but i think one of the most fundamental and primary that men of

34:01

kind of all ages maybe not economic classes maybe but all ages and most economic classes feel anyway is that

34:08

something is slipping away that they can't get they can't grab onto and it sounds like the answer to that

34:15

which which i would agree is money at least in part at least in part and and

34:20

the great thing about bitcoin that i've discovered is it actually and you nailed it it allows you to not only just hold

34:26

on hold on to your money hold on to the value that you've created it actually allows you to expand it in a positive

34:33

way against a world where the value of money is decreasing it's it's going the uh it's bitcoin is going the opposite

34:39

direction from the world and on top of that bedrock on top of that proper functioning of money you have the only

34:46

potential to build a life sovereign from what uh the corporate state the fascists

34:52

you know although that word is so overused the corporate state alliance seems to be trying to take and and so

34:57

i'm glad that you tied those threads because this makes it super relevant like bitcoin isn't just this nerdy

35:03

technology or whatever and it's like it's it's completely separate from what you might have heard of about crypto or

35:08

nfts that's just all noise in the in the actual bitcoin signal which is not just this thing that isn't relevant it's not

35:14

just this computer thing it's actually a way to save your time it's a way to save your family it's a way to build a future

35:20

for yourself away from the fiat system and so i'm really grateful that you were

35:26

able to thread that because men need to hear that like that's that's almost that's what that's what i like about all

35:32

the things that i've learned from you is it's it's almost the last piece like you've asked all the questions you've asked the questions about fitness and

35:39

you've asked questions about soy and sunlight and and and beef and all that stuff and yet there's still the question

35:45

of okay i'm spending 8 10 12 hours a day working why is everything getting so expensive

35:51

why am i working harder for less and the answer is the fiat system and the response to that is bitcoin

35:58

but i think a lot of men haven't gotten that place yet and so i'm excited to get to lead them there

36:04

one way to think about what we've been living through is

36:09

okay when the government so so this money printing economics it

36:15

creates cycle we all know of the short-term business cycle that the the

36:21

small business cycle um because we've all seen like occupy wall street where they're doing you know you have these

36:27

booms and butts these recessions where oh now you need to bail out the banks you need to bail out fred and manny and

36:34

people get really upset because the inherent unfairness of that the idea why are these big uh

36:40

multinational corporations getting bailed out um with our money right because what

36:46

they do is they print money they hand it to these comp these companies because they're too big to

36:52

fail right and then our expenses our kids college our retirement our groceries our

36:59

vehicles our homes all the things we want to buy become more expensive because they've diluted our purchasing

37:05

power just like when you own a stock everyone knows you know you own a stock uh when they announce that they're

37:10

diluting it ten to one people sell because they went what the heck you've essentially just stolen

37:16

um you've stolen my ownership stake by just creating more of these things there's nothing

37:22

finite about this you can make as many as you want so people sell to punish the company because because they're you know

37:28

they've been you know robbed and um same thing money printing um

37:35

is that same dynamic and and so you get these little bubbles where they

37:41

they use money printing to grow industry to grow insiders uh uh

37:47

companies and then you get a recession because of it but in the greater scale there's there's

37:52

a bigger debt cycle that they can't even manage in that way and and so you end up

37:57

with this this like sovereign default where your entire country is broke um

38:04

they cannot even service the debt um on their own balance sheets

38:10

and so that puts a country in a really uh crazy a really tough spot because they have to

38:17

either they have to either have like austerity which is you know they pull their belt in and reduce spending which

38:24

that's not politically possible there's no go on earth that says okay we're going to cut our spending by a factor of

38:30

100. right you can't do that um so the other option is and and that's

38:35

kind of like um they try and avoid default you know by saving and being fiscally responsible

38:42

and that's off the table you know history is shown over and over that that's not something governments

38:47

are willing to do [Music] and then you're left with default and you can either default explicitly so you

38:53

could say sorry we can't pay our bills and your credit score gets downgraded and the world punishes you and

38:59

um you might end up in a war and you know so that's like an explicit default or you could default implicitly

39:07

which is to say you can just print money to pay for the bills and and and in that way you're almost defaulting

39:14

inwardly meaning everyone that that that lives on that currency

39:19

gets uh um how do i even say this nicely they steal your family life savings to bail out the

39:26

country through money printing okay so you're made poor so that the

39:31

country can default implicitly um it can just shrink its bills by

39:37

creating so many monetary units that the bills aren't that expensive anymore but

39:42

in things though no one has any assets left everyone's poor you know you get famine and this type of

39:48

thing so um you know you you look at the trajectory of the

39:55

west what you know we're were a people that were used to money printing were addicting addicted to it

40:02

i don't see us pulling the belt in yeah you know i see us

40:08

heating up the money printer and i think 30 were on track for 30 trillion

40:13

this year i mean these numbers are uh the the type of numbers that can keep

40:19

bills doubling every year yeah um because when you know when by the end of this year if they've

40:25

printed 90 of all the dollars in two years that has to make its way in into the

40:31

real economy in the form of rising prices you know if if all the wealth that we

40:37

had as a people only represents 10 of the wealth suddenly what do you think

40:43

that does to your purchasing power and what investment strategy can compete with that

40:50

right um there isn't a single one except for bitcoin bitcoins the only thing that

40:55

um every four years it's doing a thousand percent so it's it's adding a zero to your to your wealth in dollar

41:01

terms every four years that and and not to say that's making you a baron or a king it merely

41:08

that's more of a statement about dollars than it is bitcoin right you're you're holding your time in terms of

41:15

sats and bitcoin that's the smallest unit there's there's um

41:21

and that's steady that's a stable unit no one's printing any more sets there's only 21

41:28

million total bitcoin um and i think 90 have already been mined okay so we're

41:35

you know most of the bit coin that will ever exist exists now you store your time in in

41:42

in sats and there's not going to be this rapid debasement that you see with dollars

41:49

every four years since bitcoin has existed um there's been roughly um a

41:56

thousand percent uh increase in purchasing power in dollar terms so like

42:01

just for example if i if i put a hundred thousand dollars in bitcoin four years ago um today would be worth a million

42:06

dollars right so i'm adding a zero and in four years it'd be 10 million and in

42:13

eight years it'd be 100 million now that sounds like a lot in today's dollars but

42:18

in eight years at the rate that they're printing dollars oh god right

42:23

um you know well let me put it this way venezuela

42:28

had the most millionaires on earth in in venezuelan uh currency

42:36

terms yeah that wasn't a good thing right that was a bad thing yeah um and

42:41

so if you had 100 million dollars in 2030 in dollar terms we might all recognize

42:48

by then that you know that buys you know that you know who knows what that will buy

42:53

um but if if bills double every year you kind of get the sense of what i'm saying

42:58

now is that keeping up with inflation it is and it's and it's and then some and the reason is because the whole world is

43:05

sort of realizing that they can defend their time with um with bitcoin they can defend

43:12

themselves their families from inflation so if you're earlier on that adoption curve of course you get the benefit of

43:19

you know there's trillions of dollars parked in unproductive assets

43:25

that are are going to have an identity crisis this decade and need to find something that's productive so if you're

43:30

ahead of all those assets then you kind of benefit from the um from being right

43:36

earlier right you benefit from people agreeing with you later

43:41

um but at the same time that's not the core thesis right the core thesis is that it

43:48

will hold your purchasing power and um so in these times where money printing

43:55

is so high you need something that adds a zero to your net worth every four years that's the only way to compete

44:02

bills doubling every four years and that's kind of the thing that i'm trying to get across to men is that um you know

44:09

fire and rentals and bonds and equities

44:14

um everything outside of speculative trading where some people have done okay but that's an insider's game and you can

44:21

lose your short it's a short-term game you play with short-term people bitcoin is the only long-term game you play with

44:28

other long-term people it's supposed to be a forever savings account and the world is kind of waking up to that

44:34

thesis exactly as they're being as their life savings is being stolen to bail out

44:40

a broke world [Music] so let's let's make this real let's make this concrete so talk a little bit about

44:46

your journey when and how you discover bitcoin how you looked at things before then and then the role that bitcoin

44:53

plays in your life personally now in the life of your family yes so let's see by trade i was a

45:00

software engineer i spent about 15 years building the front and back of tech companies um household names you would

45:07

know them i launched a few startups myself i've seen tiny companies

45:13

fail i've seen big companies succeed um so you know i i kind of came up in

45:20

this progressive world of software um surrounded by liberals

45:26

and um and it was saw a lot and and um

45:31

you know despite being very close to easy money silicon valley

45:36

we benefit from tons of easy you know cheap access to

45:42

capital um and so it you know it's it's very it's a very um

45:47

uh privileged place to be in terms of the cantelon effect the cantelon effect is as they create money as they print it

45:54

who gets access to it first the software industry is very close to

46:00

the money printer um because it's it's a driver of growth and and governments need growth to hide

46:07

their time theft behind so if you you know the whole game breaks if you don't have a bunch of growth to point at and

46:14

to and to show that um uh gdp is going up then then you can't grow

46:20

debt right it's when the it's when the um the sovereign debt to gdp ratio gets

46:26

out of control that you get a world war um which is you know we're at levels higher than uh world war ii right now

46:32

which explains the last two years but so

46:37

we will i was working in software and i was you know

46:43

with my wife we were planning when i would retire we

46:48

were planning on a family and i noticed that that number kept getting bigger and

46:53

i started to question like i started to get a chip on my shoulder realizing you know if i can't make this work if i

47:01

can't get a house and retire and start a family if i'm having trouble doing that as a software engineer you know making

47:08

um you know deep into six figures if we couldn't do that how is anyone else doing it and i

47:15

started asking questions like why is it that um you know why is this and and that led me

47:22

into economics and understanding money printing and i had some peers who were

47:29

into bitcoin and they said you know you really need to look at this

47:36

i brushed them off and that was years ago um it must have been

47:42

2015 2016. i brushed them off most of most engineers did most software

47:48

engineers brush bitcoin off i think we're so used to developing these distributed systems within the context

47:55

of trusted environments like a corporation you know if you're at google and you're building out their system the

48:02

way that you develop those systems they don't need to account for adversarial

48:07

programs right you have you know if you're building google's database for example all the the nodes within that

48:13

database trust each other and that lets you write highly efficient consensus algorithms um

48:20

and so when we saw bitcoin we just thought wow that was that looks like the most inefficient the most expensive

48:26

database ever conceived and we were right we were right it's it's a terrible database for a trusted

48:33

environment um but it's the first adversarial database that

48:40

can stand attacks from nation states and you need that if you're going to

48:45

have a you know rules without rulers monies without government

48:50

um and and but if you know if you are in an industry that benefits from money

48:56

printing you have a blind spot and so i at first just disregarded bitcoin it

49:01

wasn't until 2018 when i had a chip that had matured on my shoulder

49:08

about um time theft when i started realizing like you know i started to get grumpy because i was like hey i wanted

49:14

to be done and i i wanted to be done in like five more years not 15 more years and i started to get upset annoyed at

49:21

that um that i you know i had a peer that said you really should look at bitcoin

49:27

and i remember thinking that you know i just i i thought that was dead and that's what

49:32

most people think like didn't that die and and so i had a freaking look and i went

49:38

deeper into it and and i realized there was something there i realized you know just like uh torrance

49:45

when when or threatened the the movie industry when in music industry people

49:51

realized they could just run this little torrent software and that was enough that no one could stop the world from

49:56

distributing files no government on earth could stop it the best they could do is put like this fbi

50:02

warning on the beginning of a movie like that was it all they had um and i realized bitcoin was kind of like

50:09

that for money that that um you know any single person with the

50:15

computer could run this software and everyone that did made it that much harder to stop it it was it

50:22

was this the this um it's almost like a um

50:29

like a mold that grows in your house like if you do not

50:34

in order to eliminate a mold in your house you would need to eliminate every single piece of it because it doesn't

50:40

have a center if that makes sense right it can grow back from any one point so if you had

50:46

just a handful of molecules of mold that you didn't eliminate you come back in six months and it's back

50:53

so the only way to eliminate it is to eliminate all of it and um because of the way that it has no

50:59

center and it reproduces and i kind of saw that in torrance

51:05

torrance is the same way like it you could eliminate 99.9 of it and come back and still be in the entirety of the

51:12

music and and video industry would be back on the internet in like a couple months right and it's like okay but uh

51:19

you know that so so the the policing of that is is outrageously expensive to the point of it it doesn't work and it

51:25

failed um and and i saw that bitcoin had that quality it was like okay there's no

51:31

center here anyone can join this network and the more people that do the more costly it became to

51:38

police and i started to ask questions like okay can this be shut down and i realized that very quickly it

51:45

would become as you know as expensive to shut bitcoin down as it would to shut the internet down

51:51

and as i followed it forward i realized that not soon after that it would become more expensive to shut bitcoin down than

51:57

shutting the internet down um and that you couldn't shut down 99 of it

52:04

and succeed you would have to shut down all of it which which is the it's it's tantamount to sending um men with guns

52:11

to every house on earth right like it's it's you can't actually do it it

52:18

fundamentally inverts the power dynamic such that the government has no better

52:23

chance to stop the bitcoin network um than it did you know

52:29

it's kind of like firearms proliferation when every family has firearms um they

52:35

can't really persecute individuals anymore they can't go into every house because that you know that is the

52:41

governed so it would just result in the toppling of the government itself if they went into every house you

52:48

know like uh like um like the nazis did searching for you know do you have guns in it in here so

52:55

it's kind of the same dynamic but on the world stage right like one country can't go into every house in

53:02

the whole world um and and i started to kind of realize how

53:08

big this was i started to realize this is gonna be bigger than the internet because this

53:14

this this was a unstoppable network that you could

53:20

move your time to and suddenly these central banks couldn't access it these governments

53:25

couldn't access it and everything we've lost in terms of being able to build families

53:32

[Music] we were going to get back and all the things that man had lost you

53:38

know we've had our role eroded by any state eroded

53:44

by um sort of feminine totalitarianism and i saw in bitcoin that this

53:50

incredible masculine force that was going to invert that and return the power back to

53:56

people you know men who could work store their time in bitcoin you hold

54:01

those keys you hold those 12 words those 24 words um to your your feed phrase

54:08

you memorize it you write it down they can't go into every house on earth looking for 24 words and attempt to

54:15

you know they just can't do it and so it really it changes everything it's it's it's groundbreaking and um

54:23

so so i did what a lot of people did at first i kind of i started going down they call it the

54:29

rabbit hole the bitcoin rabbit hole um and i i started learning how to save

54:34

in bitcoin and so i i found out okay every paycheck i can take you know 20

54:40

or whatever and put it in bitcoin this is 2018. and at first i just did it with some

54:46

website some exchange um i think it was river.com is what i was using but like coinbase is really

54:52

popular in the us you get the point um and i started buying bitcoin there and just i held it on that website and as i

54:59

got into bitcoin culture there's like a big bitcoin twitter space i learned from more mature bitcoiners that like

55:07

hey kind of the whole point of bitcoin is that there's no counterparty that you hold the wealth yourself and

55:13

you decide when and where you send that bitcoin how you spend it and no one can tell you

55:19

you know you don't have to ask permission to hold and spend your wealth and no one can prevent you from doing it and so

55:27

what they preached was take that bitcoin off that off that exchange and put it in

55:32

a wallet that you control then i learned that part and i'm like okay great and now i hold the keys

55:37

i i choose how to spend this bitcoin and i also realized at that point the implication like um

55:44

you know i could for the first time ever you could leave your country with all your wealth

55:50

right no one could stop you um think of the implications of that in like um imagine if you were a jewish family in

55:56

in nazi germany world war ii and you saw the rise of this this persecution

56:02

um you saw the the shape of an oncoming genocide right

56:08

you had to you had to leave uh with nothing right you would be stripped of everything if you tried to flee germany

56:15

so now imagine you could just remember 12 words and go anywhere in the world with your the entirety your family

56:21

saving think about what that means to being a man that guarantee that confident that cool

56:28

confidence that you have um in that that your your life savings can never be

56:34

expropriated that you can have multi-generational life savings you could actually build a family house

56:42

you can think of your family name on the order of centuries now that you have

56:48

that skill that ability and that that's what bitcoin's giving us

56:53

um and so i think it just it radically changed by the the autonomy and power i believed

57:01

i had as a man and and once i had this bitcoin in a wallow that

57:07

i held that i secured um and and i think

57:12

it wasn't long after that was 2018 and it it it had such a profound

57:19

effect on my ideology that um i started to shift towards sort of conservative

57:24

conservatism and because i realized that the people that i was surrounded with in the city

57:31

in tech that these weren't my people that it in a weird way it inverted my

57:37

my value system because um suddenly i had this

57:43

this unstoppable savings mechanism that put a lot of responsibility on my shoulders if that makes sense

57:50

where before i was tagging along with the state tagging along with this industry benefiting from a bit suddenly

57:58

i was building a household suddenly i was responsible and it and it made me

58:03

appreciate personal responsibility in a way that i never truly had and that

58:08

changed me that changed me and and and thank god because when

58:14

2020 hit and this kovid hysteria really was unleashed um

58:19

i had i had like that foundation um of realizing that uh you know the way is

58:26

through personal responsibility the way is not through collectivism and and the pathology of that

58:32

um and and and like that that's kind of

58:38

what got me down this road and you know i say to my wife we always talk about

58:43

this that in good times the city is really it's really cool i mean you know you got

58:48

a bunch of different people and different cultures it's this melting pot you have all this food it's great to go out

58:53

but in bad times um the city is is gnarly and the same thing is true of

58:58

progressives like in good times i thought progressives were like fine it was like they're you know i was like

59:03

okay a lot of stuff i appreciated but in bad times they lost their friggin minds fast

59:10

fast and it was scary i mean the covid thing it really did um that kind of mass

59:17

formation psychosis yeah that that's not a joke that's real and it and it really

59:23

took the left um it really took hold on the left and so you know

59:29

i i just counted myself as as i didn't fit in in the tech industry

59:35

anymore i didn't figure fit in amongst my peers uh every day i just realized these are not my people

59:42

and um so i made this this nim uh in 2020

59:47

laserhottle on bitcoin twitter and started networking and soul searching and learning uh who i was

59:55

um in the light of this new value system and and um it's been an awesome journey and and uh

1:00:02

i became glued to covid because um i realized something bigger was going on

1:00:08

uh there were too many just logical fallacies and and overt omissions that

1:00:14

didn't make any sense um that there's something there had to be something bigger to explain it um

1:00:21

the fact that like iver mechton was uh suppressed um

1:00:27

the the the the fact of this this uh all the tech companies suddenly were

1:00:33

going from this kind of casual corporate um [Music]

1:00:39

there's like corporate locism this corporate activism to suddenly taking a more like

1:00:44

formal um stance with the government like this you

1:00:49

know this cozying up to the government almost like um courting the government in a weird way

1:00:57

i found that to be really strange um the the the

1:01:04

the kind of just denial that this of the lab leak that didn't make any sense to me um

1:01:11

uh seeing blackrock step up and start buying housing i'm like that didn't make any sense

1:01:19

um the degree of money printing and what they were doing with the money

1:01:24

printing it didn't make any sense to me so i knew i knew there was something much bigger

1:01:31

and it's when i started looking at um the balance sheets of our countries that i realized

1:01:36

um when the uh the the sovereign debt the gdp ratio

1:01:43

gets out of hand meaning you have far more debt than gdp um you you know since the fiat

1:01:49

system began in um 40 years ago since the the formalized

1:01:56

banking strategy of debasement inflation began in the late 1600s

1:02:03

there's a trend where when debt gets out of control you end up with global calamity and then they reset the balance

1:02:10

sheets it's almost like a monopoly game that breaks you have to look to the banker and say what now

1:02:17

and and the banker goes okay here's what i got for you we're gonna we're gonna perform surgery the the balance sheets

1:02:24

then we're gonna reset the game and start over yeah and i noticed that in the last 400

1:02:30

years that's happened over and over and um in 1971 nixon

1:02:36

took the us off the gold standard so for the first time ever our money became

1:02:42

completely untethered from anything sound it literally just became paper

1:02:48

um and uh ever since then every you know the cost

1:02:54

of goods and services has gone parabolic it's essentially a hockey stick that we're now in the steepest

1:03:01

part of the curve um the the purchasing power of the dollar is down well over 99 in in that time and

1:03:09

um to put it like frankly um we're in the greatest sovereign default

1:03:16

of all time right now and it's it the world monetary system is so interconnected

1:03:23

that it's every country on earth is broke and can't afford it's servicing its own debt

1:03:30

um and so i i think that actually is a better explanation

1:03:36

for what we've seen in the last two years is that uh our countries are

1:03:43

broke and they're backed up to a wall and they need to perform the very dangerous

1:03:51

business of monetary reset resetting the entire world monetary

1:03:56

system and uh if the past is any

1:04:01

lesson then what the state needs to do is is

1:04:07

have the world um essentially in like a lockdown

1:04:13

with curfews while they perform that reset um

1:04:18

does that make sense it makes far too much sense which is which is what i love about it

1:04:24

um and i want to get i want to get to what's going on sociopolitically but real quick because i've listened to you

1:04:31

on some of the other podcasts what role how does bitcoin show up in the way that

1:04:36

you manage your finances now so you so you started you know say in 2015 2016 as

1:04:42

a software engineer in tech and you dismissed bitcoin when it came your way much like i did at the time

1:04:48

it just seemed like too complicated i couldn't really get into it i definitely had a friend who was asking questions about reality who was talking to it

1:04:55

talking about it to his friends i was like i just don't have the mental energy to get into this right now um to

1:05:00

an into a realization of what was happening in the larger socio-economic

1:05:06

geopolitical kind of environment and understanding the way that your the the fruits of your labor as a man as you

1:05:13

said in the deep six figures was being taken from you in retirement instead of being i mean you know i lived in

1:05:19

northern california i worked in tech as well i did my own startup years ago so i've seen this process and you're right

1:05:25

there's so much easy money there the only place that there might be slightly easier money is in hollywood right now

1:05:31

where they seem to have billions of dollars to throw to just pour down an endless hole of propaganda but

1:05:37

definitely there's so much easy money there and to see your own labors you know at what sounds like a pretty high

1:05:42

level taken from a five-year horizon of retirement to 15 years like what a

1:05:48

crushing what a crushing feeling that must be and so to begin to ask questions and to find that bitcoin provides so

1:05:53

many answers what role does it hold like how does it actually actualize i know the answer to this question but i want

1:05:59

men to hear it so they can understand just what you can do with bitcoin not just as a not just something you throw

1:06:05

in a wallet and put away but as a way that you can actually live and i want to just tie those threads and then we'll go

1:06:10

on from there into talking about the larger issues of monetary research reset which i think are so important

1:06:17

yeah so let's see i was saving bitcoin and um

1:06:25

hold on you're breaking up a little bit can you hear me now yeah that's better

1:06:30

okay so i was saving in bitcoin every check and i had and i just thought of it as a piggy bank and

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once i got comfortable i increased the amount that i was saving until um

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i became more learned and i i kind of came to this place that i realized that the world monetary system is is

1:06:50

extremely dysfunctional and the kind way of putting it

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there's probably like 100 trillion dollars of like conservatively speaking like a 100

1:07:01

trillion dollars of wealth that's simply looking to preserve its value that's in invested in various activities

1:07:09

attempting to do so um real estate bonds treasuries equities

1:07:16

but at the end of the day it all it all wants has the same goal it just

1:07:22

doesn't want to be it wants to be preserved okay um

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so it is across the spectrum where it's all this wealth is being fancy as it can

1:07:33

to survive inflation and

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as i became more comfortable with bitcoin i i started to wonder like

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you know when i held bitcoin it was it was once i had secured it in a wallet and i would buy it every check and i

1:07:50

would transfer those sats into my wallet and it was easy i mean i realized at no cost

1:07:57

once i had built this muscle memory this knowledge at no cost to myself i was able to preserve my wealth and and

1:08:04

furthermore benefit from the idea that um that bitcoin was still in this

1:08:09

speculative monetization phase right where many other in the world had not figured that out right they had not

1:08:16

figured out that um they were doing all this extra work this extremely labor-intensive work to

1:08:21

preserve their work wealth and i wasn't doing that i was simply holding a coin in the wallet

1:08:27

and i could put all my energy into earning power i didn't have to i know and i kind of realized okay this savings

1:08:33

account i have with bitcoin is beating everything else i do it's beating my index fund it's beating

1:08:39

my stock picks it's beating um it's beating my side hustles right and so

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then i said okay well you know i started doing projecting math forward

1:08:50

looking at bitcoin's history and just thinking through like you know if i if i had a trillion

1:08:56

dollars and i was um the lead of a capital fund

1:09:02

you know how much more efficient would it be to simply park that in bitcoin if our aim is to hold you know is to have a

1:09:08

guarantee that that wealth is not going anywhere um [Music]

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and can it and that it would stand up against inflation now why wouldn't i simply put

1:09:20

it in bitcoin and call it a day there was a i realized this labor difference between all the fancy things we do to

1:09:26

try and save money because we can't save it in fiat so we have to

1:09:31

we're all investors we're all competing with each other and i realized that there's a massive opportunity there

1:09:37

because um if you're like apple for example you have like a billion dollars of cash

1:09:44

that just got cut in half in terms of what you could buy with it right yeah they they need that to be

1:09:51

liquid so they have access to purchasing power why isn't that in bitcoin because there isn't a market that's more liquid than

1:09:58

bitcoin in terms of immediately being able to have access to purchasing power and and apple has held that for five

1:10:04

five plus years right so they're not spending it within the two plus year horizon or zero to two

1:10:10

year horizon so it's um i i started to realize that

1:10:15

you know conservatively you know bitcoin's at like a one one trillion dollar market cap right

1:10:21

now in that um there was at least a hundred trillion dollars worth of wealth that that was uh

1:10:28

doing too much labor in too sophisticated of ways and still

1:10:33

failing to preserve its value and now that money printing was getting really steep

1:10:39

um that it would make its way into bitcoin because um well math right

1:10:45

because of math and and and so gradually i kind of went where

1:10:51

i i got to this place that i was like why do i have other investments why why do i have a and i kept thinking

1:10:58

you know the age-old um wisdom of diversification

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um but what really made me second-guess that was um

1:11:09

this growing idea that um bitcoin is money and there's nothing more

1:11:15

you know money is the optionality of everything else right so if i have if all i had was money i have nothing but

1:11:21

options right yeah and so there's nothing more diverse than money

1:11:27

in in the sense that i can access any good and service with it um and so if my thesis was

1:11:33

growing in conviction that bitcoin was becoming money in in the eyes of the world because of this effortless

1:11:43

mechanism that stores your value and that everyone would eventually come in then why do i have parts of my wealth

1:11:50

pretending to because i knew it wasn't actually succeeding in equities in real estate i knew it was actually losing

1:11:56

purchasing power as inflation was steepening because i knew that the cpi that they told everyone two percent or

1:12:02

whatever was a lie because you could engineer the bucket so all i had to do was make my own bucket

1:12:08

of the things i cared to buy and it revealed that my cpi because everyone has their own cpi of on

1:12:15

different time horizons of goods and services you want to buy my cpi was like 25

1:12:21

before 2020 and after 2020 it was like 60 so that means the half-life on your

1:12:27

wealth regardless of where you're parking it is getting is is getting exponentially smaller meaning the

1:12:33

chances that you'll be able to buy any of those things a decade from now disappeared in 2020.

1:12:38

um and and so most you know most people are so caught up and

1:12:44

confused with covid they don't realize what's happening to them from a money point of view yeah um and realize the

1:12:50

gravity of this situation but i i started to realize it uh in 2018 and and

1:12:56

between 2018 and 2020 i went from a position of saving in bitcoin to having

1:13:01

every single the entirety of my monetary energy in bitcoin every investment i moved over

1:13:07

and so i was essentially 99 bitcoin um

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and uh uh but i still you know i would get my paycheck i would pay off my my bills

1:13:20

right and then whatever was left would go into bitcoin so that's kind of where i was in in 2020

1:13:26

um and uh that really changed my stream i like my

1:13:31

lived experience because what i felt was everyone around me their uh

1:13:38

the cost of living for them was going up at a steeper and steeper pace mine was

1:13:43

going down at a steeper and deeper pace of course i had to deal with the zero to two year

1:13:48

bitcoin you know and that turns you into a grizzly failure because

1:13:53

um the two-year bitcoin is you know it's overtly up and down so you you

1:13:59

emotionally that will turn you into a buddhist monk because you have to learn to live with that but the two plus your

1:14:05

bitcoin is is actually um you know if you look at like the 200 or 300

1:14:11

weekly moving average of bitcoin which just eliminates the top soil like it eliminates all that

1:14:17

that short-term movement you see that it's just this um this linear

1:14:22

growth on the logarithmic scale which is to say it's growing exponentially which

1:14:28

is what every technology company on earth experiences um who succeeds so like facebook has this exponential

1:14:34

growth curve um and in that visualize you wouldn't be able to visualize it on a normal chart because the

1:14:41

the um the growth is so steep that um it wouldn't make any sense it would look

1:14:46

like a straight up line but if you yeah but if you look at it on a logarithmic chart which is especially

1:14:52

designed to um to to visualize exponential growth you'll see that it's this this kind of

1:14:59

this nice um nice gradual curve that looks very linear from the bottom left to the top

1:15:06

right on the logarithmic scale and it actually prints a big s-curve which is to say you know which is a nice way

1:15:13

of saying that the whole world essentially loaded into facebook right you know the whole internet world loaded

1:15:20

into facebook and bitcoin is showing you know it's still at the bottom of an s curve but it's showing the same

1:15:26

um the same characteristic which is a a

1:15:31

an s curve being printed on the logarithmic scale as the whole world realizes they need a way to defend their

1:15:38

family's life savings from inflation yeah and so that's where i ended up i ended

1:15:45

up in 2020 that i was um 99 into bitcoin

1:15:50

and then recently i started asking myself like why why even make the pit stop in dollars

1:15:57

right why get paid in dollars and then and then um after everything's said and

1:16:02

done um you know sweep into bitcoin um and and i

1:16:09

i started doing math on it and this is a little bleeding edge but um i started asking like could i just live on zero

1:16:15

dollars right can i just could i just um live in a way where i'm 100

1:16:20

you know i'm kind of like a bitcoin citizen and then you know it i i'm in the united states so yeah i'll convert

1:16:27

to the local currency when i just pay a bill or something um could i ascend beyond my nation-state

1:16:34

currency and the math was good um to me the math showed that on a zero to two year scale

1:16:41

sometimes my bills would be more expensive than others um but sometimes it would be cheaper and

1:16:48

on a two plus uh on a two plus year time frame um it would always be uh a cheaper

1:16:54

and and and not even in a small way like in a very very large significant way my mortgage my groceries

1:17:00

and everything that i all my expenses would become cheaper so as long as i could be a two plus year guy and think

1:17:06

in that way in in in that long time horizon um that that it would actually make sense to not

1:17:12

even have dollars in a checking account and so um i've been playing with a a a service

1:17:18

called level uh lvl.co it's just this seed startup out

1:17:24

of austin so they're really nascent but the whole idea is they give me a checking account and i just choose

1:17:30

whether the uh whether the monetary energy is stored in

1:17:35

dollars or bitcoin and you can do everything that you you know want with a checking account so i can

1:17:41

like go to the atm or i can send a wire transfer or i can do an ach um and so all the things you expect from

1:17:48

a bank in the fiat world um except i just hold that value in bitcoin and so um and they support like um

1:17:55

uh direct deposit so you know in in a funny way like you can get a job

1:18:00

negotiated in dollar terms but you can still have yourself paid in bitcoin um because you could just say

1:18:06

never hold dollars always hold bitcoin in this in this bitcoin bank and um

1:18:12

and what i found is as it's grown i just you know as it's grown in purchasing power i just offload some of those stats to my

1:18:20

my offline wallet so that it's not all sitting inside that bank and

1:18:25

so it's been like a couple months and i've been living off bitcoin like as a bitcoin citizen and and

1:18:32

yeah so far the thesis is holding strong i i think we're going to see more competitors into this space of like how

1:18:38

do normal people just live on bitcoin and just check out of the dollar system

1:18:43

and um so yeah i'm excited about that and uh but

1:18:48

but like in in regards to like recommendations of specific solutions i would say never trust anyone

1:18:56

without doing your own footwork like level is this brand new startup so i'm taking a risk on them they could just

1:19:02

fail right and take my checking account with them so do your own footwork and and and uh never take you know anything

1:19:10

on face value don't trust me trust uh trust yourself and build your own thesis but what i will say is the math is very

1:19:18

good you know the same math that says that your saving accounts can grow exponentially and therefore outpace

1:19:25

inflation and that logic can be applied to uh your checking the big trade-off is

1:19:31

that um as you spend you you know bitcoin is property it's like a stock right so if

1:19:38

you held all your value in apple well you had to sell some apple to

1:19:43

buy groceries right and that's at taxable events you have to account for that and you have to pay taxes on it and so um

1:19:50

like the way that i do it is i just put all my expenses on a credit card my household does and then once a month i

1:19:57

turn some bitcoin into some dollars pay off the credit card and at the end of the year i'll have

1:20:04

like 12 taxable events level auto generates a form so i just upload that

1:20:09

to turbo tax and if i made money in dollar terms it's like okay i sell a little more bitcoin and pay the tax

1:20:15

um that to me is better than um

1:20:21

being in the dollar system as we get closer to a fallout of confidence in

1:20:26

government money um especially when you consider like in venezuela um

1:20:32

you know there's an inflection point where people you would receive bolivars for your work right you would like race to

1:20:39

the grocery store to buy all your groceries at once because the

1:20:44

because that would get you more groceries than if you waited the next day because your money was losing value so quickly

1:20:51

yeah um and so like if you were a venezuelan and you learned

1:20:56

to live on dollars back then yeah i would have been really smart really smart and even if you had a

1:21:04

tax headache because of it it still would have been net smart because um

1:21:09

when when hyperinflation sets in you don't even want to hold that local currency for hours

1:21:17

right because holding it for hours can rob you of to you know you get paid every four weeks you hold that fiat

1:21:23

currency for hours because you're like you're gonna pay your bills and buy things and then save you could get

1:21:29

robbed in that window that's the point and so that it's just that thinking

1:21:35

ported over as as the united states loses dollar hegemony

1:21:41

i think we'll have the same inflection point where you know holding dollars for days or weeks or hours can punish you so

1:21:48

if you can you know i i started to think like okay the the best time to learn to live on

1:21:55

bitcoin would be before um my local currency collapsed

1:22:00

um and so you know i i'm kind of at the end of the bitcoin progression and and i don't

1:22:07

necessarily recommend people start there but what i would say is like start where i started like if you

1:22:14

get your feet wet saving with bitcoin and you realize and just watch it watch the performance over a couple years

1:22:21

um you're going to realize that um nothing really can compete with it an ease

1:22:27

in the appreciation in security in terms in terms of like the absolute list of knowing that it no

1:22:34

one can do any no one can access it but you no one can debase it no one can print it

1:22:41

um it doesn't have a government it doesn't need a government it actually takes money away the ability

1:22:47

to create money away from the government you know the same kind of value proposition of separating

1:22:53

religion and state it kind of separates money and state

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um and as a man that's important right you want a you don't want a government that's

1:23:05

becoming more and more tyrannical reaching deeper and deeper into our lives you actually

1:23:11

want it to get thinner leaner um you want the government to look like a services provider that does some

1:23:17

self-defense and that's about it right you don't really you don't you don't really want it to become what it's

1:23:22

becoming and so there's a justice element to it too because not only was it just better

1:23:30

math right like it it brought my retirement age back to where it was supposed to be

1:23:36

right it gave me a guarantee about the future because i knew there would only be 21 million bitcoin and as the whole

1:23:42

world's losing their mind printing trillions and trillions of banknotes that my wealth was stored in this

1:23:48

digital scarcity but i also knew that as more people woke up it would actually in it would

1:23:55

actually deteriorate the ability for the government to steal people's life savings and if everyone woke up

1:24:01

theoretically you wouldn't even be able to print money because you would have no customers that wanted it

1:24:07

so in this weird way we're giving the government its power because we're

1:24:13

conducting our lives and it's fake money will said

1:24:18

well said well so oh god there's again there's there's a thousand different directions to to go

1:24:25

with this but i think i'm i'm i'm curious about the period of time in your life where it sounds like a couple

1:24:31

things were happening at once like as you were moving from having all of your

1:24:37

income and all of your savings and dollars you transitioned to now being 100 in bitcoin and it sounds like there

1:24:44

are some sticking points where because i think we all go through this as men in our waking up process of things that

1:24:50

things that are so familiar and seem so right but that we have to learn to let go of because we see the injustice or

1:24:56

the flaws or the dysfunction been burned into it so for example i had a man on my podcast named matt bodrow and he

1:25:04

runs an acton academy which is like a decentralized kind of charter school thing and what he deals with with

1:25:10

parents is parents being so resistant to taking their kids out of what they know

1:25:15

is the failing public school system they know it they see the wokeness they see the terribleness they see the masks and

1:25:22

the forced vaccines and the whole thing and they know it's wrong and yet they can't they still have trouble decoupling

1:25:28

themselves from that system and trusting a charter school system which is objectively superior in terms of

1:25:34

educating kids and preparing them for for the market and giving them a broader perspective on life etc and teaching

1:25:39

them you know intellectual independence all that they see that and yet they still struggle they still struggle to

1:25:47

let go of what feels familiar and comfortable and in some ways like maybe even genetically ingrained over the past

1:25:52

century or so so it sounds like you were dealing with a little bit of that naturally as you made that transition

1:25:58

from from uh from any amount in fiat to 100 in bitcoin just letting that old

1:26:03

system go but it sounds like it was really liberating for you and that was also parallel to your journey uh your

1:26:09

journey in understanding masculinity and personal responsibility and families do i have that kind of right what that what

1:26:15

that process looked like yeah i think so i you know we've all um

1:26:20

been inundated with different financial advice for coping with the

1:26:27

characteristics of the fiat system diversification is a big one right

1:26:34

because you're forced to be an investor and you can't simply save you can't just say you

1:26:39

know that means that that there's inherent competition

1:26:45

right investors compete with each other and and because of that

1:26:50

you need to have a handful of strategies because one could just really fail um and

1:26:57

and it's it's really cruel and just i mean in a weird way you're competing to see who can retire

1:27:04

and uh that's it and i realize with something pure like a

1:27:10

bitcoin where you it's mathematically enforced 21 million

1:27:15

um slots you know uh 21 million like

1:27:20

slots of real estate is one way to think about it's like internet real estate there's 21 million spots and within that

1:27:25

there's 100 million sats each but there's never going to be more and and i

1:27:32

i kind of realized as i learned more about money that um bitcoin fulfilled all the properties of

1:27:37

money better than anything we'd ever seen and so in the fiat world you diversify

1:27:43

because um you're competing and uh um there's not a perfect way to save your

1:27:49

money so you need to do it a handful of ways but um with it with money you know if it with

1:27:56

perfect money you don't need to diversify um you actually want concentration in optionality and money

1:28:03

in its purest form is optionality and so that was one of the hardest things you know going from uh

1:28:09

you know just using it as a savings account to having all my investable capital in it was was quite a jump but it's like i had

1:28:17

to kind of overcome that feeling of of what about diversification and um

1:28:23

i i think what i would say is that um start small because bitcoin really will change you um i i you know i can i can

1:28:30

only share my experience of the phenomena is that it will completely reprogram the way that you think about

1:28:36

money um you know and so i went from all my investable capital

1:28:42

in bitcoin and then i went and retooled my retirement but all my retirement in bitcoin because i realized um

1:28:49

fundamentally we were dealing with a new money here that couldn't be debased and that it was going to change the world um

1:28:56

and but even then going from 0 to 99 was easier than going from 99 to 100

1:29:03

like actually actually learning to live on you know saving on bitcoin is easy because you

1:29:09

kind of set it and forget it and you say okay in the future i'll figure out i'll think through the implications of

1:29:15

spending it's actually the same thing the same way people think about their retirement right you know down the road you're going to spend your

1:29:22

retirement not now so right now just focus on building it right so that's an easy way to think and and that's how

1:29:28

most people start with bitcoin and it wasn't until i i realized that i didn't have the

1:29:34

or we weren't going to have the luxury of that because of monetary reset because of hyperinflation

1:29:40

um or you know however we default whether it's through printing and hyperinflation

1:29:47

or through um through insolvency in a deflationary spiral regardless of the

1:29:54

the the mechanical um uh uh outcome of how government money will

1:30:00

fail the realization that there's an inflection point where you know today

1:30:08

you hold dollars for you know a couple weeks and and you're good um and you invest the rest

1:30:15

there's an inflection point where you won't even want to do that and so i'm like i should get ahead of that you know it's it's always better to front load

1:30:22

pain and if you if you're if you really believe if you really believe that we're going to go through that type of pain

1:30:27

and i do i do i think that the united states you know commanding you know dollar dominance

1:30:33

over the world i think those days are over i think countries um are are sort of

1:30:40

pivoting out of dollar dependence i think we've passed the threshold where

1:30:46

the united states buys more of its debt than foreign countries so the sovereign debt is not attractive

1:30:51

that's what backs treasuries that's what gives treasuries its purchasing power that's what gives our money its

1:30:57

purchasing power um we we used to export a lot of our

1:31:02

inflation to poorer countries because we would import their cheap products i mean so we're exporting inflation importing

1:31:09

deflation of essential goods and services um that seems to be coming to an end

1:31:15

so our these these this inflation will have nowhere to go and and it really is like the cube i

1:31:22

can't decide if it's more like cuba or more like japan uh but we are we're turning the corner

1:31:28

on being the the reserve currency of the world yeah and in

1:31:33

and and that means the the money the paradigm of money is going

1:31:38

to change drastically and that will affect everything in terms of what investing strategies actually do something what don't um

1:31:46

and and so you know i i had to let go of all the habits and behaviors of a

1:31:53

country losing its reserve currency and all of those fallacies i had to let go of um and diversification is one um a

1:32:00

lot of these high labor uh wealth preserving methods is another

1:32:06

like this you know this i the sticky idea that like rentals is good or the sticky idea that um

1:32:13

uh index funds will always work it'll always give compound interest and and you know when you rerun everything

1:32:20

through this you know rerun any investment strategy with 40 inflation it all breaks it's all broke

1:32:27

and that's where we're at today there's not a single one that works so um like that took a lot of courage to admit

1:32:33

to myself and realize and and and feed that into a thesis so you might

1:32:40

say like in 2018 terms laser what you're doing is out of control risky and dangerous

1:32:48

um but in 2020 terms or 2021 terms 2022 terms yeah um it's not the same cost

1:32:55

benefit analysis and and so if you can't come up with a a thesis without being

1:33:00

honest about the the externalities and and the real costs around you of not

1:33:06

doing something because not doing not changing your strategy is a strategy um

1:33:13

so you know on the financial end yeah it a little bitcoin goes a long way

1:33:20

um to changing how you think about money and um it goes a long way to changing

1:33:27

how you think about personal responsibility um you know

1:33:33

money printing is a great force that's that's causing people you know money printing is the best salesman

1:33:39

of bitcoin because people are like oh am i okay right am i doing things okay

1:33:45

and you kind of get worry and and and most people you know are wondering if

1:33:50

they're okay financially but you know every everything that that's harmful

1:33:56

has the effect of creating a something better um and so like this this woke ideology

1:34:02

that that's rampant in government schooling is having the effect of a resurgence of homeschooling micro

1:34:10

schools and people looking you know school choice right and so in a weird way it's like it

1:34:17

births a better new phase in in that sector um

1:34:22

uh all this this rampant as a social network a censorship is having

1:34:28

the effect of having people look elsewhere for like networks that allow freedom of speech and how do they

1:34:33

protect their communications and how do they talk with their loved ones and their family safely using encryption and

1:34:38

this and that you know people like going to like signal and these type of things right so it's

1:34:44

having the it's only having the effect of pushing peop you know people building better defenses that they have more

1:34:50

control um over their lives and all this um

1:34:55

this weaponized food where it's basically hormone disruptors throughout the whole food chain

1:35:00

all this factory food is finally having the effect of people waking up and there's this sort of

1:35:06

um growing revolt against uh industrial seed oils

1:35:11

and hidden estrogens in in all of our food and um

1:35:17

the the the medical establishment um uh uh prioritizing pharma and and um

1:35:24

neglecting nutrition and functional medicine is having the effect of a greater and greater remnant waking up to

1:35:30

ancestral living ancestral health that hey you need you need a medical complex for intervention you get

1:35:38

a car accident or you have a rare cancer that develops to the point you need intervention in that moment okay you need a medical complex for that

1:35:45

but we're using it for every we're using it for health and you and you shouldn't use it for health

1:35:51

so in a weird way we're in this kind of the fall of the fiat era and all

1:35:58

the worst parts about it are turned up to 100 and it's having the effect of creating

1:36:04

uh a better world but you need to be aware of

1:36:09

each of these things in order to see the new world that's coming into into view and

1:36:15

and and to join that and so you know i i think you can't have that new world

1:36:21

without money is the foundation i mean money is how we trade our time

1:36:27

and there's nothing inherently evil about money money is a tool right you store your time in it uh

1:36:33

you know good and bad things come in human behavior so what do you do with that tool um and you need you need money

1:36:40

as a foundation for a society and so um

1:36:45

you know to a certain degree there's like a new world emerging you know like a like a unstoppable

1:36:52

um money that can't be debased or printed in like a bitcoin

1:36:57

and you have like these micro schools and homeschooling movement where people are like hey maybe we shouldn't have our

1:37:03

kids in government schools right that's really good and you have this functional health

1:37:09

um and and pro ancestral food community that's like hey maybe we shouldn't eat

1:37:14

food from factories and animals that are on you know eating gmo

1:37:20

estrogens and and uh you know maybe we should eat food the way our ancestors did and

1:37:28

these communities that are saying hey maybe we shouldn't be using apple and windows which spy on us and maybe we

1:37:33

should be using like linux and talking to each other on signal and maybe we should be valuing our communication and

1:37:40

defending it with privacy mechanisms and and so you can kind of see like off in

1:37:45

the distance that this this inversion between the government and the

1:37:51

individual and families is is at hand that that families are going to have

1:37:58

autonomy by way of defending their autonomy um

1:38:04

and so like to me that's exhilarating it's exciting that gives me meaning and and i think that's the type of thing

1:38:10

that made me get deeper and deeper into this world and so in 20 um

1:38:16

it was 2021 i i retired from software and um i left uh washington

1:38:24

which had gotten batshit crazy um with kobe china mandate yeah they completely forgot their

1:38:30

freedom they forgot uh uh you know they couldn't tell up from down they were absolutely devastated

1:38:37

and i came to uh uh texas and and texas is you know the cities aren't great but if

1:38:43

you go a couple hours outside of the cities it's you would forget that kobe's a thing if you didn't get on twitter

1:38:49

yeah um and i and i kind of realized that like um in a way

1:38:57

like bitcoin was kind of teaching us like it bitcoin taught me that i could

1:39:03

mathematically like i could i could make my my life savings expensive to tyranny

1:39:10

right like it would be it would be extremely expensive to compromise

1:39:15

the effort that i put in my career and that i that i intended to use building a family

1:39:21

right that that no one could really afford to come in and take that money anymore because

1:39:26

of bitcoin and i realized the same stuff like a lot of what we see with covid is happening

1:39:32

in cities because the return on tyranny and cities is really good because population don't

1:39:38

be high that's a great way of looking at it

1:39:43

and so i'm like well what happens if i just leave the city does my family get more expensive tyranny i'm like yeah

1:39:49

definitely so he left the city and and that's been the case it's like yeah it's not impossible but

1:39:56

reaching out into the countryside where there are hundreds of millions and bringing tyranny to their doorstep it's

1:40:01

not going to work it's too expensive and i got into gun culture for the same reason i'm like

1:40:07

this gives me like this asymmetric defense right it doesn't stop tyranny but if we all had

1:40:13

it like if there was a strong gun ownership culture that specter of going on ownership it

1:40:19

kind of changes the power mechanics right where suddenly um you can kind of say no and and i

1:40:26

think the testament of that is that we haven't had like vaccine passports yet in the us because there's a there's

1:40:32

you know there's millions and millions of families that just seriously would never do it you're gonna have to drag them house by house what are you gonna

1:40:39

do about that you're gonna get messy in a very public way that would affect politics so it's it's

1:40:45

that as a force just the spectre knowing that families have that

1:40:51

have firearms is a big deal in terms of the dynamics the power dynamics between

1:40:57

a gut the government and and its people i mean look at australia yeah disarmed

1:41:02

and now they're living in what looks a lot like a chinese style

1:41:08

social scoring governance system just branded for the west you know disguised and copied

1:41:14

um yeah wow compare that compared to that to the u.s in some places it's gotten a little weird but largely

1:41:21

um largely you can opt out and so i opted out with money i opted out with by moving

1:41:28

away from the the covid craziness um i helped my family get off of iphones

1:41:36

and get on to d googled android phones so just android with google

1:41:41

removed and i know there's like two popular products there's like calyx and graphene os but

1:41:47

they both do the same thing they get google out of your life but you still have a phone you're in charge you're not being spied on and

1:41:53

we communicate with like signal and it's good you kind of realize um wow the boy does that make you

1:42:00

your activities and your thoughts between your loved ones it just raises the cost on bringing hell to you

1:42:07

and if everyone did it think about it you're essentially showing the government the door you're saying you know what we think we're done

1:42:13

um being you know um

1:42:18

being uh mass surveilled uh for every purpose you can imagine and so i kind of took took the lesson

1:42:26

from bitcoin and realized that in each part of my life i could i could you know

1:42:32

lift the drawbridge i could become expensive to tyranny and what would that do to autonomy and sure enough

1:42:39

the autonomy and the degree of sovereignty in my life went way up and as a man

1:42:44

um you know that you become this this thick stable cool calm collected wall that can be

1:42:52

trusted because you understand that um there's no way to have no risk in your

1:42:59

life there's a risk gradient you can move down the risk radiant by increasing the cost of tyranny and and

1:43:08

that's what bitcoin taught me and it's absolutely transformed my life and i

1:43:13

think that um i think that we're going to have a bitcoin era where

1:43:19

people start by defending themselves from inflation and they realize that from a technological point of view

1:43:26

a lot of the things they complain about and they characterize as government tyranny you can actually just defend

1:43:33

yourself from and eliminate that behavior make it off limits or make it so you know together we can make those

1:43:40

activities so expensive that they lose in in in sort of the war

1:43:46

on the family the war on men um and they they lose the ability to

1:43:52

launch um totalitarian um uh uh uh governments uh you know that

1:43:59

look a lot like china um and so yeah like you know in a weird way

1:44:04

bitcoin helped me grow up the rest of the way you know i was i was this man child that was benefiting off silicon

1:44:11

valley off easy money and i was able to stay young stay immature

1:44:17

i didn't have a lot of responsibility i lived in a little apartment i went out and ate and drank and really lived this

1:44:22

posh life was really nice um and then you know reality started to show up and

1:44:30

i wasn't ready for it and thank gosh i had something to cling to like a big point that i could serve as a basis to

1:44:37

build a man out of myself and realize that um you know a lot of what

1:44:43

a lot of the ailments that the world complains about is is we've created it

1:44:48

through we've created it by allowing it

1:44:54

and and and what would it mean to stop allowing it and and and so

1:45:00

i think it's transformational what an incredible story

1:45:07

and it's it's um it's really powerful to hear that um because i think it's something that

1:45:13

many men can relate to and i think that doorway into manhood to growing up from being a boy

1:45:20

into a man shows up in every man's life differently it comes in through a different door

1:45:27

um you know whether you read a piece of information somewhere online that doesn't compute or a friend gives you a

1:45:34

book to read or whatever that there's so many stories right now of how does it show up in our lives that

1:45:40

we realize something isn't right and we start asking questions and we recognize that everything that we've learned about

1:45:46

the world is wrong and we let go of it and then we grow up as men and grow into personal accountability responsibility

1:45:52

and sovereignty and i think it's so fascinating that that showed up i mean it showed up in my life through travel

1:45:57

it showed up in my life through pursuit of spirituality and and religion and

1:46:02

that was the door that was the door that i came into my life through because i was always really interested in asking questions um you mentioned occupy wall

1:46:09

street i was actually part of occupy san francisco back in the day back in like 2010 2011

1:46:15

and i would go to all the meetings and uh you know and i was really furious about the banks that was the reason why

1:46:21

i was there i thought it was completely criminal and unjust that these banks could just nuke the economy and like the

1:46:26

everyday average person was paying the cost on that and meanwhile like you know lloyd blankfein's doing fine like lock

1:46:33

that dude up jamie dimon all these dudes i thought it was maddening and meanwhile i've got all my progressive friends who are like i'm showing up in the in the

1:46:40

rain and the cold in the evenings in san francisco for about a year trying to get my quote-unquote progressive friends to

1:46:46

actually show up and be counted for something they're like nah and so that was my first insight into what was

1:46:51

actually going on in that but from being within occupy i would go to all these i would go to all these meetings and i

1:46:57

would see all these different interest groups competing for whose thing was the most important you know oh i support the

1:47:04

spotted owl like and this is the most important angle or you know or or climate change or whatever and so all

1:47:09

these different groups were trying to say which is the key issue if we address um will be the one that solves the

1:47:15

problem and i was like thinking about this as i was as i was there and i realized what's at the root of all this

1:47:22

like this can't just be a thousand different problems i wonder if there's a problem beneath it and that was what sent me on

1:47:29

a journey to understanding the federal reserve and all of that and start asking larger questions about how about how

1:47:35

that works um but the the information that really woke me up came through um came through an another door um

1:47:42

particularly some of the doors related to jeffrey epstein and gazlane maxwell that was kind of what woke me up because

1:47:47

i really wanted to look at you know i want to look at who are these who are these crazy people that are creating all

1:47:53

the suffering in the world and what's going on with them and so that was that was my doorway in and then exploring

1:47:58

different religious aspects but it's it and that led me to realize oh wait like

1:48:03

there's this there's this evil there's this evil that's that's controlling the world and trying to get people to

1:48:08

consent to give their free will over to the system that we participate in in so many different in so many different ways

1:48:15

that we give our we give our life force energy to whether it's what we watch on tv or the books that we read or the

1:48:20

music that we listen to or the food that we it's it doesn't sustain people and i could see this firsthand in san

1:48:26

francisco it wasn't making people happier it especially wasn't making men happier it was making them weak it was

1:48:32

making them and me as well soft and weak and and unable to you know

1:48:38

unable to form really strong bonds with each other have honest conversations and unable to lead um

1:48:44

to lead in a relationship just sort of lots of lots of passivity that like you said led to the really nice kind of way

1:48:51

of living in a city which is like i've got food i've got you know all these different luxury items and it's kind of

1:48:56

nice but there's something missing within myself and so i put all these pieces together and realized that i

1:49:02

needed to know more about what it meant to be a man because i hadn't been given that by my upbringing or my culture and

1:49:08

so i set off on this around-the-world journey to test myself in all these various ways whether it be sailing or

1:49:15

trekking across the desert or climbing mountains and meditating for hours and doing all the stuff and really and

1:49:20

really testing myself and reading as much as i could about manhood and masculinity and i and i came with some

1:49:26

really good ants came back with some really good answers like you did about i need i need to grow up like i've been

1:49:31

outsourcing my responsibility of all these different aspects of my life to this giant system that doesn't have my

1:49:37

best interests at heart and so it's been a gradual slow process of like taking that responsibility onto myself piece by

1:49:45

piece and i'm not married i don't have a girlfriend or kids right now so i know that that's definitely a part of it but

1:49:50

taking back all of this responsibility has been so massively empowering while also scary to do to recognize like wow

1:49:56

can i really take this onto myself and that's so great to hear that you know i had my story with that you had your

1:50:03

story with that through bitcoin and we've actually kind of arrived in the same point in our lives you came in

1:50:08

through your door and i came in through my door and i'm finding so many men are gathering in this place now where

1:50:14

they've all come in through different doors and they're asking the same question you know what are we going to do what is this new world that we're

1:50:21

going to birth that we feel is being birthed and is being birthed through us what are we going to do about that and

1:50:27

so that's why i love these conversations because they're being had in so many different ways particularly around the

1:50:32

responsibility of men um and so before go ahead sorry you know

1:50:38

the um you know most understand with with occupy wall street that uh

1:50:46

the business cycle right we all just rage this rage they're bailing out banks

1:50:51

and bailing out industry wall street gets bailed out mainstream doesn't that activated the progressive

1:50:57

left they totally got it um so everyone knows the business cycle

1:51:03

fewer know the sovereign cycle um

1:51:08

and the reason is is if you if you think if you think uh it's unjust to bail out

1:51:14

banks and industry wait till you see what bailing out government looks like

1:51:19

and we're living through we're living through it and and it's it's such a huge injustice and it requires such deep

1:51:27

confiscation of wealth um in order to rectify these balance sheets and reset the game

1:51:34

that they can't allow people to see it plainly is the hard truth

1:51:39

the hard truth is that they have to obfuscate it and they have to

1:51:45

essentially traumatize their people so that they are

1:51:51

mired in confusion and and um and essentially

1:51:58

on essentially in a holding pattern for about

1:52:03

four to six years while they do this procedure and um

1:52:11

so you know when you start thinking about it as like oh wow i see they're going to confiscate

1:52:17

our money to bail out the government i think there's like a bigger occupy wall street a bigger business cycle the

1:52:24

sovereign cycle of course they can't have that be plainly known because that would lead to

1:52:32

the toppling of the government it would lead to a global revolt um now when you imagine it's not just

1:52:38

one government that broke when it's the whole world the whole monetary system is fundamentally

1:52:45

insolvent and that we're knee-deep in in sovereign default

1:52:51

the whole world needs a coordinated answer to reset it's not enough to reset one

1:52:58

nation's balance sheets so the covid through that lens

1:53:05

starts seeming extremely politically convenient that you would have the whole world

1:53:11

fixated on this global catastrophe [Music] and and instead of the forced austerity

1:53:18

that would come through default the austerity that would you know basically everyone having to live through a

1:53:24

depression because the governments were fiscally irresponsible and stole our money uh and gave it to insiders right

1:53:31

and of course we'd go find them and hang them if that's if that was plainly known yeah um

1:53:38

and so instead um you have austerity not because governments were fiscally irresponsible

1:53:44

and were living in built society on top of money printing in debt instead you have austerity because

1:53:52

a global pandemic your spending is down because we're all living through this catastrophe together

1:53:58

um it can't be helped because the world needs to make it through this situation and so the old way

1:54:05

doesn't work anymore we need a new world that is pandemic proof that can that can that a virus can't

1:54:12

hurt a single person and that you know at the end of this

1:54:17

instead of a business cycle this end of the sovereign cycle they have to do

1:54:24

this and and and the structure of society is highly malleable because we're all in

1:54:29

lockdown we're all waiting for orders what's what we know when are we going to be allowed to return to the old way

1:54:36

right and there is no return to the old way they're sculpting society they're upgrading it to a new form and and to

1:54:43

put it another way the west is completely committed to launching a new form of government in this very

1:54:49

opportune time yeah and and that's why there's not a single coveted bombshell that seems to stop what we're in right

1:54:57

we keep going through this insanity loop and the reason is is they've pre-committed to um so so covet is a

1:55:04

distraction that's what's keeping your house that's what that's what that's what's allowing them to make unilateral changes um

1:55:11

they've suspended law essentially and they're upgrading the the government and

1:55:17

and they're doing it in the likeness of china china has this high-tech governance approach

1:55:23

where they um essentially everyone's surveilled by uh cameras and surveilled online

1:55:29

uh you all have a digital id so that you know they scan your face and you have some type of

1:55:35

global digital id that you could never escape from like biometrics and then they calculate a social score for you

1:55:42

um and then all throughout society they have these gates right so if your social score is not high enough uh you don't

1:55:48

you can't move around freely in the city you can't travel you're kind of um you can't get apartments you can't get jobs

1:55:54

um and same thing they they limit your restriction your access to the internet um if you if you're very

1:56:02

compliant and you behave the way they like um you you get increased mobility you get

1:56:08

increased access to society the internet success and so in this way that china has

1:56:13

actually replaced law on paper replaced their judicial system with a um

1:56:19

algorithm and so all you have to do is instruct programmers to craft the social scoring algorithm a certain way and and

1:56:28

the rest of the world the rest of our governments are looking at china and saying wow for an order of magnitude

1:56:33

less costs they have an order of magnitude more control over their people we want that we want that system in the

1:56:40

west and so kovitz being used as a conduit to export that form of high-tech governance

1:56:47

locally and so what i expect you're going to see is a digital identity make its way this identity so or this decade

1:56:55

so whether you're scanning your face to pay your taxes or you're um scanning your face to get a

1:57:00

driver's license or vote or whether um you're scanning it to get a covent pass

1:57:06

they're gonna need that digital identity and then they're gonna need movement passports and covens seemed like that's

1:57:11

how they were gonna try and get that right you need a vaccine passport right that's exactly like china they

1:57:17

have checkpoints everywhere based on your digital identity it's very dystopian um and they'll need internet passports

1:57:24

as well and so um if you if your aim was to upgrade the government in the likeness of china but

1:57:31

branded for the west branded in social justice right disguised and covered um

1:57:36

then you would expect those three things digital identity movement passports and internet

1:57:42

passports and during that time you need a very heightened government presence that

1:57:48

keeps people unaware that that's what's occurring afterwards ironically you can slim government way down because you

1:57:55

have way more control than you've ever imagined and you don't really need as much as many boots on the ground because

1:58:01

everyone's in the context of that system um and so i think that that's kind of

1:58:07

what we're seeing the west is broke the money is broke

1:58:13

they can buy themselves time by locking us down which reduces our spending

1:58:18

that maximizes the purchasing power of money printing so the people that are

1:58:24

reshaping society in the likeness of this high-tech governance system of

1:58:29

china probably to stay competitive on the government you know in the form of governance

1:58:35

right because governments are businesses too you know so they're using that money printing to upgrade society

1:58:42

um because they know that in a couple years they're going to have to reset balance sheets and so they want to make

1:58:47

sure when they let everyone out of their pens and people return to society that it that they've you know made these

1:58:54

unilateral changes that you could only do in this moment you could only do when everyone's on house arrest when there

1:59:00

are curfews um and so you know that that's my

1:59:06

basic thesis from observing everything that we're seeing um and and because of that um

1:59:12

the hysteria loop will have to continue this whole decade so if covid died

1:59:19

then they'll have to replace it we don't we don't just go back to the old way because other words people are going to

1:59:25

realize that this is about the monetary system having failed right and so they don't

1:59:30

want that convert the conversation can't be everyone wakes up tomorrow and says hey why doesn't the monetary system work

1:59:37

anymore right the conversation has to be about some catastrophe

1:59:43

that makes us all very careful about talking with each other all very careful about moving around freely

1:59:49

um and so you know that's the thesis and and so

1:59:54

thank god you have something like a bitcoin because if what i'm saying is true it means that they're going to

2:00:00

print the extent of our purchasing power yeah they're going to activate it with

2:00:05

money printing and um because they need to bail out the government this time so if you were an

2:00:11

occupy wall street and you were angry that they were bailing out the banks well

2:00:17

this is a bigger thing that's occurring right now um and so they need they need to traumatize

2:00:24

the world and because it's the only way that it would create enough of a [ __ ] that you wouldn't actually

2:00:30

ask the questions about the money [Music] so let's talk about let's talk about

2:00:36

reset you read my mind that was the direction that i wanted to go in is before we start talking about this new world which which can be born

2:00:42

let's talk a little bit about what it seems like we are going through and may potentially go through and also

2:00:48

kind of how it's going um because the need to reset you know to taken all of our debt and it's out of

2:00:54

control and money is inflated to or is on seems like it's on the direction of being inflated to near work

2:01:00

worthlessness and it's not sustainable because it's not meant to be because there's a plan on the other side and

2:01:05

that's reset and so let's let's talk a little bit a little bit about reset and what the dynamics of that are and how it

2:01:11

seems to be working you touched on a little bit a little bit of it now with covid being this big distraction and

2:01:17

maybe that distraction isn't quite panning out like they wanted to so maybe there'll be another distraction so they can pull off this operation what is the

2:01:24

operation what is what is the operation they're trying to pull off yeah so fundamentally um

2:01:31

the government funds itself on money printing mm-hmm

2:01:37

money comes into existence uh by creating debt um and uh

2:01:44

that enters the monetary system the the monetary system is a two circuit system so

2:01:49

there's a wholesale circuit where sovereigns do business with each other

2:01:54

and commercial banks exist in

2:02:00

halfways and this is where you see things like um the underlying bucket of money

2:02:07

um so it typically involves like gold sovereign assets like land um partially

2:02:14

made up of gdp um it's the thing that that backs this paper money that we all use military

2:02:20

prowess tr um trade agreements um so that's the wholesale circuit of the monetary system and um

2:02:28

uh you know currently that's uh being reworked because that system has failed

2:02:36

then there's the retail circuit of the monetary system that's where we live we live in that system and this is where um

2:02:43

the other half of the commercial banks exist and they lend out money out of

2:02:50

nowhere that came from central banks and that creates money in our circuit of

2:02:56

the monetary system now the flow of money between sovereigns and

2:03:03

between industries is is important to um understand that it actually affects the

2:03:10

the price of goods and services and so does uh demand and supply and demand okay so

2:03:17

so there's a very complex um landscape of variables that dictate like

2:03:22

how how um products come into existence and their price um but uh

2:03:28

but predictably as you introduce money um that increases the purchasing power

2:03:34

of um of the people that get it first

2:03:40

at the cost of the people who don't and so they go up and they purchase goods and services and and they bid up the

2:03:45

price of those because there's a finite amount of goods and services um so if you have unlimited money and unlimited

2:03:52

goods and services the the result of that is the cost of things goes up um

2:03:57

for the people who don't get the money right who don't get the new money i should say um so that's the retail circuit

2:04:04

okay now the government creates money but it's

2:04:10

not for free the it's essentially married so the government is the state is a monopoly on force okay

2:04:16

yeah it controls violence and and in a way it's kind of like a racket right it's you pay the government to

2:04:23

defend you from the violence it would other words um

2:04:28

apply to you right it's kind of like right um

2:04:34

you know but the the government has long married a monopoly on money because it you know

2:04:41

it it's not politically easy to to uh maintain high explicit taxes on people

2:04:47

you know if you tax a people 90 eventually they're going to turn topple

2:04:53

you they're going to revolt especially yeah well especially if the people aren't but

2:04:59

even without you you basically you have um people throw their hands up in the air and society collapses right so both

2:05:05

are from a government's point of view is is like a bad app um and so um in

2:05:12

in the late uh 1600s when you had the first central bank there's been various forms of monetary magic

2:05:19

developed monetary science where they've learned how to yes they've learned how to debase money

2:05:25

and debase money means just create more units through various forms of trickery

2:05:30

and steal from the collective from families in order to fund the government at the back door through the back door

2:05:37

without needing permission without costing political points without having to push it through elections without

2:05:43

having to make it popular okay and over the last 400 years they've

2:05:48

gotten better at it um and in 1971 they got really good at it

2:05:53

because they they essentially uh they removed any attachment to

2:06:00

sound money at all so any attachment to gold or anything that would fundamentally limit their ability to

2:06:06

conduct time theft on their people and and they've essentially switched the

2:06:11

funding mechanism of the government directly money printing so taxes are really just a breaking mechanism that

2:06:18

that prevent the poor's from overheating the economies okay money printing is where the actual uh

2:06:25

funding of the government comes from and it's been that way since the 70s so for 70 years or so um yeah

2:06:32

but the problem is that that is that has the um the effect of destabilizing

2:06:39

the economy fast like when you when you steal everyone's money to destroy the world in other words um and the world's

2:06:46

no longer stable and you get this these crazy um suddenly you get uh money dying left and

2:06:52

right so since the 70s if you actually track the amount of countries who who have had collapse because their money

2:06:58

stopped working um it's it's it's a hockey stick and so this new way of running the

2:07:05

monetary system is very fortuitous to a tiny percentage of people who have access to all of our money our time um

2:07:12

but it actually destabilizes the whole world um and so

2:07:18

you know you have to manage that right you have to manage it because you want the benefits but you have to manage the cost

2:07:24

and so what they do is um uh when the balance when the sovereigns can no

2:07:30

longer pay to service the debt that the central banks um levy on them for

2:07:35

creating the money to begin with which is to say as your country's creating money

2:07:40

you're giving more and more of the wealth to the central banks for the service of

2:07:45

creating that money out of nowhere at some point at some point the amount of debt that you have

2:07:52

compared to your gdp the ratio is so skewed that on paper it's clear that the

2:07:57

gdp won't even pay for the debt if that makes sense and and a nice way to say this is the central banks have

2:08:04

you buy the balls at that point yeah um and so they they need payment

2:08:09

and and and the only way and and so either go to war and then they'll come in and they'll take the assets

2:08:16

not very good method anymore with with uh nuclear

2:08:21

right right that model kind of you know like war profiteering is

2:08:27

actually dying you know and that's evident when you see like the only places that the military industrial

2:08:33

complex can operate is like you know the desert middle east and this and that right

2:08:38

the actual war industry is getting squeezed because of um you know ironically countries are able

2:08:44

to you know how i was talking about defending every part of your life is this this defense technology that's kind

2:08:50

of what nukes are for countries right once he gets nukes like you kind of made it off limits to get invaded because you

2:08:56

have this asymmetric force that you can just say look no um

2:09:02

but that's a quagmire right at the quagmire when um your country is broke uh is is now a debt slave to a you know

2:09:10

a handful of families that helped it create money i mean it needs to pay up so

2:09:15

um the balance sheet broke and and and and so um basically the

2:09:21

the sovereigns in a very tricky place at that point of either letting it all um

2:09:28

unravel not you know uh organically sort of speaking like allowing it to fail

2:09:34

um in an uncontrolled way or what they can do is they can essentially

2:09:41

come up with a plan to carefully let the system down carefully execute a controlled demolition of the

2:09:48

system that gives them the ability to

2:09:54

print enough money to extract enough wealth in order to

2:09:59

rectify their balance with the central banks so they pay up the central banks

2:10:07

then they can reset the balance sheet and start all over again

2:10:12

if they didn't have the global catastrophe they would have nothing to point at to to say uh you know we did all this

2:10:19

money printing we stole all you know everyone's wealth everyone's retirement but it can't be helped because of that

2:10:25

well if you didn't have that then the world would just topple their governments right

2:10:31

so you need a global catastrophe you need a world war with nuclear proliferation you can't

2:10:37

really have the same type of world war that we had before so you need a new type of war

2:10:44

um and so co you know a global pandemic is a great way to have a world war where you're not firing bullets the collateral

2:10:50

damage is very low it's mostly happening in people's heads but you can still

2:10:56

you can still um extract all the capital necessary

2:11:02

to rectify the debt burden and reset the balance

2:11:07

sheet and that allows the same the monopoly on power on force to stay in business the

2:11:13

same people get to um stay there and another way to say this is they can extend the fiat

2:11:19

experiment right because if we knew the cost of the fiat experiment we would end it especially now that we have bitcoin

2:11:26

in hand but instead we instead of the the the collective

2:11:31

rage that our government is is stealing from 90 of people handing it to central bankers and all the insiders that have

2:11:37

cozied up to them um instead they've replaced that outrage um with a kind of

2:11:45

shared conflict right now we're all in war we're all huddled down

2:11:51

trying to survive this thing right um so that's

2:11:57

that's that's the that's reset in a nutshell it's they

2:12:03

when the government is broke it becomes very scared that it might not be able to guarantee its own continuity

2:12:09

its own persistence and so it needs to lock down its people while it pays off

2:12:16

the bank and starts over that's reset [Music] and and resets that would have been

2:12:23

conducted through wars in the past now we can't actually we can't actually

2:12:28

go to any meaningful hot war anymore for you know which for better worse i think that's i think that's a net improvement

2:12:34

nonetheless if the if the global banks because we're not dealing at the nation state level

2:12:40

anymore we're dealing at a global level if they need to orchestrate some sort of quote-unquote war to get everyone

2:12:47

looking in that other direction like looking towards the catastrophe while in the background they're taking everyone

2:12:54

taking everyone's money to service their own debt which they built up as you know look over there and they snatch the

2:12:59

money out of people's pockets to pay off the debt that they engineered that's what we're looking at with covet

2:13:05

is this globally engineered catastrophe just to summarize what you're saying this globally engineered catastrophe to

2:13:11

distract to distract the the people from what's actually going on

2:13:16

with their money because if they could see what was going on with their money if they had the perhaps even attention

2:13:22

span really to understand the monetary system to understand where money comes from to understand the flaws understand

2:13:28

what the system has been doing for the past 400 years if they could actually see it as you say they would revolt and

2:13:34

we're reaching you know we're reaching the end of this debt kind of cycle which is bigger than any debt cycle in history

2:13:41

and so if that were just kind of allowed to happen on its own collapse you would have that revolt so instead let's do a

2:13:47

let's do a worldwide quote-unquote war to distract everyone while we as you say reset reset the balance sheets and and

2:13:54

and i like how um the first the first thing that i heard you say that really perked up my ears like this is an

2:14:00

interesting perspective is this idea of malthusian fear spells now i know that that's probably going to be they're

2:14:05

talking about thomas malthus i mean we can get into that for sure but how covid in some sense you know if it's replaced

2:14:11

by climate change or all these other all these other potential excuses all these other wars that the the that we're going

2:14:18

to be fighting globally you had this term malthusian fear spell to summarize kind of what they are and

2:14:23

where they get their energy so maybe unpack that a little bit so that we can see like what these things might

2:14:29

actually be that we're being that are being pushed to us through the media all the time that there's no there there

2:14:34

it's a fear spell but what is the nature of that spell yeah so in the industry of governance and state

2:14:42

craft um you know to to no small degree nationalism and

2:14:48

patriotism has been useful to conduct these global dramatizations that we think of as world war and the actual

2:14:55

amount of people in the world wars is fairly small um the collateral damage is not that large but it's a great um a

2:15:03

shared conflict that everyone that defined their lives and and and it really made it where you would huddle in

2:15:10

place uh they would inundate you with propaganda keeping you traumatized for about a decade while um while they

2:15:18

they took everyone to the cleaners they bailed out the sovereigns and they they upgraded um society

2:15:24

based on how they planned the next version of governance to look um so it's

2:15:30

something like it's like a 70 to 100 year cycle and um so can i interrupt you real quick so

2:15:37

i just want to make clear you're talking like like you're talking about world war one and world war ii as essentially

2:15:44

giant distractions for what they were doing with the monetary system like that's the thesis correct yeah they're

2:15:50

correct the the thesis is that um underneath all of it all wars are bankers force

2:15:56

um all wars are are the the manifest business of of uh monetary colonization

2:16:05

um that that that central banking is is is an imperial force that is uh uh draping itself over all of

2:16:14

all of our families times in order to conduct planetary usery um

2:16:20

and uh money you know it's the money changers and you know in in in sort of the view

2:16:26

of the the christians it's the money changers um uh

2:16:31

and so that that's the the core thesis and and that

2:16:36

um in doing so um the the problem with the system that they've

2:16:42

derived is it's very efficacious at usury in time theft and creating debt

2:16:47

slaves of everyone um but it also it

2:16:52

it is destabilizing the the world quicker and quicker and it has a lot of uh downstream side effects that

2:17:00

are undesirable um the population went parabolic after 1970. um

2:17:06

and it could be for a lot of reasons about like sanitary you know better

2:17:13

conditions with with sanitation and um and uh antibiotics and and and broader

2:17:19

uh food um access but uh disconnect you know basically creating a

2:17:25

welfare state a nanny state allowed a population growth to explode and so you

2:17:30

we went from like under a billion to eight billion in like 70 years

2:17:36

and that's when the fiat era started and so in a weird way this system has created like um

2:17:44

a massive underclass of useless feeders and people who um

2:17:50

they're net negative in terms of they consume more resources than they produce um and uh that's a quagmire um that

2:17:58

money printing created and and of course now they're talking about it

2:18:04

it's um these externalities are kind of nasty like you could also look at nature and

2:18:10

say wow um the ability of eight billion people to spoil nature is eight times greater than the ability of one billion

2:18:17

and so you can actually start seeing that we're like leaving a dent on the niceness of earth right okay

2:18:23

um and at least there's a sprawl where we're covering a lot of earth and a lot of these nice nature areas are no longer

2:18:29

unspoiled so um you know if you're the monopoly on money and you've been the sole proprietor of all

2:18:37

this wealth creation um that's you know you could have all the money in the world but then you know the

2:18:42

the best parts of of being are sort of being encroached upon by this sprawling

2:18:47

unproductive uh population um and so you know okay you have all

2:18:53

this wealth but uh you know there's there's a there's a quandary there um

2:18:59

there's also another uh technological thing happening jeff booth from within the um the

2:19:06

bitcoin space he talks about technology as a deflationary force uh meaning

2:19:11

as technology has improved it's it's fought down the cost of things because it's made companies so much more

2:19:18

efficient um and and this has really um gotten a lot of people in the governance

2:19:25

and statecraft industry like thinking they're worried that um

2:19:32

as artificial intelligence and machine learning and robotics and computer vision as these fields um

2:19:39

become better and better that like a non insignificant percentage of the world

2:19:45

will be permanently disenfranchised in terms of being able to get a job so

2:19:50

maybe it's like 90 percent of the world will no longer be able to compete or

2:19:56

learn the skills to engineer these systems these systems will take over most of the mundane work and so there won't be any

2:20:03

jobs and so you have an extreme problem like if you think about that from a balance

2:20:08

sheet point of view who will own that technology it's not the 100 it's not the

2:20:13

99 right right and so you have the shift of of assets

2:20:19

where the one percent owns everything and 99 don't own anything um and so from

2:20:26

the state's point of view like you need an answer you need a strategy like what are you

2:20:31

gonna do and um because the rate of technology advances so quickly

2:20:37

you don't have the luxury of like having a century or decades to figure that out but you can see how quickly these

2:20:43

self-driving cars are coming online and you have uh autonomous chefs and yeah

2:20:50

you know even engineers are employing ai to help them program and and um

2:20:57

so you know even china is is using um

2:21:02

you know these technology technologies in their government right

2:21:08

like so they're actually saying hey let's use ai and let's actually build the next generation of governments

2:21:14

right and so you get this autonomous governance and that's what the west is trying to replicate right now because they don't

2:21:20

want to get left in the dust they want to stay competitive

2:21:25

but in there there's a there's a huge problem which is the the current uh um

2:21:32

the current paradigm is is going to break fast um and so

2:21:37

when you add when when you hold in one hand the fact that this technology is going to disenfranchise it's going to

2:21:43

concentrate wealth because um few people own the technology that will replace

2:21:49

most of the world's jobs and you also have hope and you hold in the other hand the fact that governments

2:21:55

fund themselves with money printing instead of taxes and that concentrates wealth in the same people's hands

2:22:02

those same people's hands so you have a huge problem which is the you know the

2:22:07

growth that you relied on to excavate wealth from in the past if you think of governance as a business

2:22:14

you're that is going to be coming from machines not humans to a large degree in the coming in the

2:22:20

future okay so how would you how would you bridge those two things and

2:22:26

and um and i think that that general fear

2:22:31

has inspired a lot of sort of globalist um

2:22:37

thought leaders um who basically fear an overpopulation of

2:22:42

the world and and so back in the 70s thomas malthus was one of the the

2:22:48

the kind of top um economists that the um

2:22:54

the central banking click really um uh subscribed to and his fear was that

2:23:00

the world would get so large um and and incapable in terms of producing compared

2:23:06

to relative to consumption that we would actually pass a point of no return um a

2:23:11

kind of like progressive end of times that they call uh the anthropocene the

2:23:17

anthropogenic era we essentially destroy nature and nature can no longer provide for us

2:23:23

and um you can see that these two views are actually very similar right that you

2:23:28

would end up with most of the world who couldn't get a job yet somehow needed to provide

2:23:34

it for themselves they were net negative they were they were cost centers they weren't value centers

2:23:40

and at the same time you had academic thought leaders

2:23:46

in the central banking circle in the 70s uh

2:23:51

who theorized that we would end up here so there's there's there's a disenfranchised element in terms of

2:23:57

technology getting so good um there's a there's a wealth element in terms of wealth being centralized into the hands

2:24:04

of a few and then there's a nature element meaning you have all these people that are so costly and they're spoiling

2:24:10

nature right right right they're spoiling what we could be enjoying or maybe you know maybe there

2:24:16

is something real there that maybe they are doing irreparable you know because of the system we created

2:24:22

we're sprawling over nature in an irresponsible way and maybe there's there's something real there um

2:24:28

but but what i mean like to bring it all home that's that belief system that that

2:24:35

sort of that that lens that a lot of our statesmen view

2:24:41

their governance thesis through is called malthusianism okay and it's the fundamental belief that

2:24:49

that we need to bring into the culture a feeling that our own existence our freedom is selfish

2:24:57

and and and this population level is selfish um and it's not because of money or

2:25:04

technology it's because um you know the world's gonna end

2:25:10

that that invokes fear which creates tribalism collective fear paralysis um

2:25:18

trauma and makes us malleable it makes us controllable and so um downstream of

2:25:23

that malthusian ideology is a lot of these political spells

2:25:29

um that that all rhymes so one is

2:25:35

they all rhyme in this way it's a problem that's bigger than one nation that no one no nation can deal with

2:25:41

themselves and so the only way to contend with them and you know save the world is that we

2:25:48

all work together we essentially create a one world governance i'm not going to say government but a cooperative

2:25:55

and we all attack this thing and that's the only way to not be selfish in our existence and

2:26:02

to actually save the world and and and so let's put the various fear spells through this

2:26:08

um format um so okay so the pandemics greater than

2:26:13

one nation it's it's affecting the whole world the old way doesn't work anymore in terms of competing we ought to drop

2:26:19

those norms create new norms where we work together and save the world okay

2:26:25

um okay so the the global warming um you know having all these countries

2:26:31

competing with each other that is only going to make global warming worse that old way has to be

2:26:36

wiped clear we all have to stop cooperating tighter sort of drop these nation states build this

2:26:43

global warming global governance and that's the only way that you know we can

2:26:48

save the world with that new way um uh uh equity right the old way of capitalism

2:26:56

with all these countries competing and this and that that can't work anymore right the only way to make everything

2:27:01

the same and therefore equal is to sort of drop this big capitalist system wipe

2:27:06

that clear the whole world needs to stop cooperating on this equity thing and that's the only way to to save you know

2:27:12

save ourselves from this catastrophe of of uh capitalism disenfranchising the 99

2:27:18

percent right um uh uh terrorism okay so um terrorism is

2:27:24

this new thing and it affects all these countries um in a way that our current system can't

2:27:30

handle so we need to bind together and create something like a world military like a nato

2:27:35

um that can really that's the only way that we can uh save the world from this the specter of

2:27:41

terrorism right and and it started as like physical terrorism but it seems like it's gradually being upgraded to

2:27:47

this cyber terrorism when you hold when you consider what i said before about a social scoring

2:27:52

governance system needing internet passports i think you could see why it would be really useful to upgrade

2:27:59

terrorism into cyber terrorism because you could say the internet's no longer you know the internet's no longer a safe

2:28:05

trusted place the whole world conducts the economy through the internet so we need to

2:28:11

re-establish trust the old way doesn't work we need a new type of internet that's safe and trusted right and so you

2:28:17

need internet passports to use the internet um so all of these

2:28:23

these very potent fear spells are leading us in the direction of creating

2:28:28

a global state um and and they're all working to replace

2:28:34

competition between nation states with cooperation um

2:28:39

so you know hot war is competition these two states don't get along there's this conflict yada yada world war right

2:28:46

which of course isn't isn't the case underneath that underneath that you have

2:28:52

um balance sheets and and and and monetary um

2:28:57

imperialism and debt slavery and that's why that's the origin of all real

2:29:03

conflict but now that the world really is you know it's the the modern world where most of the

2:29:09

capital is that really has been captured by central banks and so um they need to look on to what's next and

2:29:17

and and it can't be hot war they need these kind of malthusian forever wars

2:29:22

where we're where the 99 which will have nothing and be happy right so

2:29:28

and that's code word for like they don't know what to do other than a combination of things like

2:29:35

you know what what political system can can handle feeding people who don't work

2:29:42

um the only one i can think of is communism right i mean it's a and not well

2:29:47

certainly not well but it's the only one that theorizes to do that right um

2:29:53

and and so that's kind of you know china china kind of has like a uh

2:29:59

they're like well suited to deal with like a one percent that's producing all the productivity and

2:30:05

reaping the benefits of it and then and then a a huge under class like they've done probably a little better than like

2:30:10

india certainly better than like soviet union or venezuela um so so you know they're they're kind of

2:30:17

like communism 2.0 where they have a really lean government it's super high tech and the social scoring system is

2:30:24

what does most of the governance i think the west is looking at that and saying that might solve our problem

2:30:32

of the 99 brick night being disenfranchised and so you know of course

2:30:38

okay to a certain degree i actually empathize or i understand why they

2:30:45

couldn't allow the world to see that the monetary system had failed because you could actually collapse the entire world

2:30:51

i'm sure you could actually you know you could actually you could actually

2:30:58

lose everything that allowed us to build this you know have the progress that we've had so from again if you if you are the

2:31:05

state and you believe you're the caretaker of the future and the caretaker of every all the progress even though you you reap

2:31:12

tremendous um tremendous benefits that you've abused to the point of evil

2:31:18

um you know you have to choose uncontrollable chaos that collapses the

2:31:23

world versus controlled chaos that is a lesser evil that at least allows you to rebirth a better world now is that new

2:31:31

is that next um version of the government going to be less government less central planning no of course your

2:31:37

solution is unbelievable amounts of central planning that people have never dreamed of before and so then

2:31:44

so of course their solution is more of the same more control less autonomy for individuals less autonomy for families

2:31:51

okay um because it's not enough they can't just reset the the world really is

2:31:57

changing they have to work with the with the changing landscape of

2:32:02

technology the changing landscape of the constraints and it really is a constraint that um

2:32:09

a huge you know hundreds of millions billions on essentially welfare and have

2:32:14

no way to catch up the the productive economy really has left them in the in

2:32:20

the the dirt um so so i don't want to doubt i don't want to

2:32:25

make less of that you know it's not just a cabal that's that has luciferian intentions you know that wants to

2:32:32

capture the human spirit and and wants to you know um uh experiment on us with

2:32:38

with uh like a vaccine pipeline and grow themselves into angels and embarrass god

2:32:45

by making heaven on earth like it's it's not as simple as that um it's it's it's

2:32:50

more like a um a cartel which is a tight small

2:32:56

monopolized industry that has decided to cooperate with each other that's what central banking is it's a global cartel

2:33:04

responsible for producing the money of nations for a fee that fee gets so large that the nation

2:33:10

can no longer operate must excavate everyone's wealth pay those people and

2:33:16

then reset it at the same time you have technology improving the world's changing the whole narrative of

2:33:22

everything is changing and the conditions are changing so they're adapting to that every time they have to do this surgery

2:33:28

you know when they do it in the small sense the business cycle people freak out occupy wall street what do you think happens if they do if they tell everyone

2:33:35

the monetary's broken and so um not only are they gonna do the surgery but they have a plan to

2:33:41

smooth it out to fix some of it and so um let's look into china for a second

2:33:47

so china um you get a digital id they scan your face and you have a id and you can never

2:33:54

escape from that anywhere in the world you can stay on your face and you're gonna get the same id okay your whole

2:33:59

life um and uh you start behaving in society

2:34:04

um as you move through the city moves through town they monitor everything you

2:34:09

do they can recognize you so your activities are logged to your id your behavior okay um when you go online

2:34:17

everything you do you log on with government id you use the internet that's you know the great firewall of the west you've heard this before sure

2:34:24

and your your activities on the internet are logged to your id so now they have a big log of all your activities

2:34:30

they feed that as an input into a a engineering shop that engineering shop

2:34:36

develops a social scoring algorithm so they partner with the state and the state says okay here's how we want

2:34:42

people to behave here's what gets rewarded here's what gets punished okay so all your activities

2:34:48

are factored into a social score um and it's it's really everything it's it's it's um

2:34:55

are you smiling at people and waving are you being anti-social every aspect of

2:35:00

your behavior in china is um recorded and scored and um that affects

2:35:06

you know society essentially shapes itself to you based on your score so does it

2:35:14

oppress you and welcome you or does it excuse me does it welcome you or lift you up or does it eject you

2:35:20

and spit you out and that's how this autonomous governance this first phase of it is is

2:35:25

is aiming for and that's what it's like in china it's not all across china they have it in their hot spots like they're

2:35:32

running betas but now they're aggressively spreading it out into taiwan spreading it out um and

2:35:39

the idea is is get most of your people in these mega cities and you have this kind of high-tech

2:35:44

social scoring communism for most of society plays by that those rules uh the

2:35:50

surf class on top of that you have your productive class it's a two-tier um system

2:35:57

where the actual people that produce they um

2:36:02

you essentially they're they're these kind of high-tech fascists so they they're you're part of a corporation

2:36:08

that has married the state if that makes sense and you enjoy all the nice parts of life

2:36:14

and you probably are scored in different ways or maybe you're exempt from social scoring altogether but you're in the

2:36:19

upper tier society now china is rolling out a cbdc which is

2:36:25

a central banking digital currency so what they're doing is they're saying who needs commercial banks who needs a

2:36:31

wholesale and retail circuit in the monetary system let's just combine it um

2:36:38

the the the customers or the citizens will just get money on account with the

2:36:43

central bank so you'll have an app that'll be your checking account that'll be where all where you get paid

2:36:48

um and they can just shoot you money directly ubi right

2:36:53

and um then but they could also make that that money programmatic so they could make it expire they can make it

2:36:59

where you only spend it on these things and so when you plug that into this autonomous governance system think

2:37:06

of the amount of control that they have over you and they choose where your money goes they choose how long it lasts if you

2:37:12

don't behave correctly um you get pushed down ejected out of society you know it

2:37:18

replaces the entire the entire structure of

2:37:24

the entire thing that we think of as governments it replaces all that in with a social scoring system and that becomes

2:37:30

your god that becomes your your god because if you don't please that system um you could get re-educated you could

2:37:37

get end up in some chinese camp where essentially you are the product you know they're doing all sorts of inhuman

2:37:43

things to people so um it it it's a new

2:37:48

system and the um the west came together and said what the

2:37:54

hell is next because our way of running these money printing democracies on analog fiat that way is

2:38:02

coming to an end so what's next and i think they surveilled their options and i think they saw

2:38:08

you know the central banks went into china into the 70s kissinger met mao they raised up a superpower in china

2:38:14

brought them into the u.n and and so i think what happened is that they actually you know

2:38:20

this isn't a pun but i think china was the lab to create this next-gen communism

2:38:26

um and now it's being exported to the world that it's it's it's funny that that is

2:38:31

kind of the story of kovid um as well that you know they they created this designer influenza as the catalyst for

2:38:38

the the the the global catastrophe that would traumatize everyone while they upgraded the west but

2:38:45

um it you know it it really seems like out of davos where you have

2:38:51

um the banking elite these these old central banking families um meeting with the top politicians meeting with the top

2:38:58

industry titan they kind of they took their final work out of china they

2:39:04

pitched it to the west saying look you're at the you know not only do you

2:39:09

uh owe us all your assets but here's you know you're at the end of this debt

2:39:15

cycle you're gonna have to reset here's the plan we have here's what you can do right and this is a great reset this is

2:39:22

how you can um handle this because it's going to be it's not free you're going to have to

2:39:27

manage it and here's what you can do next the chinese system gets around a lot of

2:39:35

the problems of money printing right like so today when they when they want to actually provide stimulus

2:39:42

in the west it's tricky because they're creating money in the in the wholesale circuit with central

2:39:48

banks and they have this conduit in commercial banks that they're hoping that money will make its way all the way

2:39:55

down into uh consumer and into corporations hands

2:40:00

um so they don't really have control that that indirection means they have to create huge amounts

2:40:06

of money in order to get you know a little bit to trickle down on consumers so they can't really stimulate the

2:40:12

economy they control the price of money through interest rates but that two-circuit system doesn't give them

2:40:18

enough control they're looking at china and china's rolling out a system where programmatically they can they can um

2:40:25

account for all the externalities of creating too much money if you print too much money and hand it

2:40:31

to this part of the population and everyone else starts let's say they start to um get

2:40:37

scared and they save so they're stockpiling their money you could just make their money expire so they're forced to go out and spend it right so

2:40:46

this is the kind of system that they want that gives them even more control over human behavior

2:40:53

in order to round out this uh this planetary usury the side

2:40:59

effects of it um and and you know

2:41:04

so that that's essentially the explanation for why does it seem like every country in the west is

2:41:12

is suddenly in unison following this great reset plan right

2:41:18

why why not go against it and and the answer is is um okay all central bankers

2:41:25

had to do was attach credit creation to the rise of this global state this

2:41:32

social scoring state where the central bank essentially controls um the world population through social

2:41:39

scoring it just had to attach that to credit creation in various ways and and

2:41:44

a world addicted to debt will just follow and so here's how it did it

2:41:50

for countries it moved um money printing it and it's been doing

2:41:55

this since the 70s but it really ramped up in 2020 they essentially they're moving the center of gravity of money

2:42:02

printing to the imf through sdrs um and so if you want

2:42:07

if you want uh uh debt creation you want the the main service the central banks provided

2:42:13

provide you have to buy vaccines funny enough the only way to get sdr's

2:42:18

on your balance sheets is to buy vaccines through the imf um and so you have to comply with this

2:42:25

vaccine imperial right so you're you're you're signaling your loyalty to this

2:42:32

this uh central banking and imperialism um corporations uh the easy money that

2:42:38

they used to get um through through local mechanisms that's being migrated

2:42:43

to esg's esg's is environmental governance global

2:42:48

governance but it's access to its access to printed money so long as you sign up for global

2:42:55

governance branded is environmentalism so now multinational corporations

2:43:00

they're cutting their ties with their localities and they're looking to this new global

2:43:05

governance in order to get their credit creation they're fixed because they need that debt they're addicted to it because

2:43:11

debt is just other people's money when it's being created within air right so of course they're addicted to credit

2:43:17

creation and for individuals you know what they're saying is um you don't have to

2:43:23

work anymore this pandemic's going on we're gonna start giving you ubi wear a mask right

2:43:29

um carry around this movement passport and we'll we'll float you on credit

2:43:34

creation so they're just attaching credit creation to ubi and the way that you signal your loyalty

2:43:41

is to keep going along with the covid thing going along with whatever the government says yeah so

2:43:47

if central banks attach this credit creation for each of these three entities nation state multinational

2:43:53

corporations and mid individuals they attach it to the rise of the imf the world bank um es the esg desk

2:44:01

then you end up you know we are pushing them to create this global government

2:44:08

which is all based on a type of high-tech governance perfected in china

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[Music] oh i mean like right there right there you summed

2:46:28

it all up a friend of mine a friend of mine jay he said that no

2:46:33

mainstream politician no significant politician will ever question the vaccine agenda he

2:46:39

said the reason why is that to question the vaccine agenda is uh vaccine imperialism is to question

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the legitimacy of the nation state itself and um it's a it's a pretty sophisticated argument that you just put

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the pieces together because the behind vaccine imperialism is the

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credit creation you adopt these vaccines we'll give you more credit to do whatever you got to do and then behind that on the other on the other side is

2:47:05

the participation in this automated high-tech you know techno dystopian

2:47:10

um tyranny right that's what's that's what's coming along on the other side on the other side of that but but i wanna i

2:47:16

wanna actually ask a question about this because um it seems like there's a couple different

2:47:21

things happening at once so we went into this fiat era where money was just able to be printed

2:47:27

freely and we went from a billion to six billion or eight billion people and so then the world controllers took a look

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at this giant problem that they created with their own system of money creation and said oh wow now we're despoiling

2:47:39

nature etc and so it seems like there's a couple or we just maybe we don't need

2:47:46

we don't need this many people it's not going to be productive right yeah you have to speculate as to the the

2:47:52

actuality of that and that's all we can do um but certainly um we know that there

2:47:58

is a a cultural narrative that um a handful of them that are making us all believe

2:48:04

our own existence is selfish and that we shouldn't be having kids right and that

2:48:09

should be really you know so that you're working backwards from that is there a

2:48:14

real anthropo anthropogenic era that we're heading into um you don't know if the science is fiat science or if it's

2:48:21

legitimate you definitely don't know about science what a great term yeah no that's you're right and well that's the

2:48:27

thing it's like what is what is the actual impact beyond the propaganda that we're fed through films and you know an

2:48:32

inconvenient truth and all that like you it doesn't take too long to scratch the climate change agenda to see like

2:48:38

there's no there there you know but it seems to be it's one of those unquestionable one of those unquestionable things it's got the

2:48:44

character of religion but so we have all these people that are allegedly doing all this damage and then so it would seem like there's a couple different

2:48:51

that that if from a world controller's perspective there's a couple that there's a couple different things that

2:48:56

they might do one is a nasty population which i'd like to get into but it seems like it seems like there's a slow nasty

2:49:02

population through you know down engineering hormones like testosterone and and guilt shaming around families

2:49:09

and stuff like that but then it's actually down down uh de-escalating the population into a system of of greater

2:49:16

social control it sounds like that's what you're describing so they decided that they they created this fiat printing of money the population

2:49:24

explodes and all these things start happening that they judge that they want to change and so they down engineer the

2:49:29

population into systems of greater technological tyrannical kind of control

2:49:35

is that kind of the thing that you're that you're describing is that does that seem to be the picture because it would seem that the that this

2:49:41

that controlling more people building a larger um system of controlling more the

2:49:47

metaverse or or whatever would would kind of be inefficient to try and manage at least in america say 300 million

2:49:53

people like i've also i've been to i've been to china i traveled there for six weeks and you're right there's there is

2:49:58

a lot of tyranny in the cities everything is run through the app uh wechat where your social life goes

2:50:03

through wechat and your finances go through wechat and that was i was there in what 2018 so it's probably gotten

2:50:09

much much worse but outside and outside those areas like in the rural areas it's not as powerful so it would seem like

2:50:15

you would have to you'd have to reduce the global population in order to lock them into these prisons but then if

2:50:20

you've if you've taken everyone down to the small smaller population why build the prison and so that's

2:50:27

that's the place where i kind of where i kind of get stuck in some of these narratives maybe maybe you thought that through

2:50:32

yeah i think so if you take a secular view that um yeah and that's the thing

2:50:38

is that you know do we want to look at it theologically or do you want to look through a secular lens because that's the choice right

2:50:43

well i think as like an adult and a christian you should do both and you should and then you should try and work through how they would fit together and

2:50:50

and and that's probably the responsible way but yeah from a secular point of view

2:50:57

um governance world governance and state craft and the business of money is a

2:51:03

business and if you have a fundamental thesis and you have broad consensus within that

2:51:09

industry um and and it's closer to say it's a cartel because um you know the the the families

2:51:16

that defend the monopoly on money have done so for 400 years there's not a competition there so you you know you

2:51:22

don't you don't like a new company competing with central banks right that's a very old uh

2:51:30

industry that is inter-fam intergenerational and so you know that

2:51:36

that's not a value statement that's just an observation okay um now now um

2:51:44

uh let's see so re uh drop my memory because i lost oh

2:51:50

we're talking about like if you're gonna if you're gonna down engineer the human population to protect the environment why build the prison that's clearly

2:51:56

getting built yeah okay so if your thesis is that a large percentage of your

2:52:03

uh of of of the world is going to be disenfranchised by technology um

2:52:08

and and that's going to change the cost benefit analysis of customers that you support right um because okay so now if

2:52:17

most of the productivity is gonna come from one percent and you're gonna have a growing class of automation that

2:52:23

provides that that does all sorts of things um running the government manufacturing

2:52:29

uh you know mostly like takes over most uh uh jobs

2:52:34

um and that's your thesis and you have consensus within your people on that then then you need a plan

2:52:41

for um you need a plan for the rest and and and more than that like central banking uh

2:52:48

feeds on growth so you know it's very ironic that they have these malthusian

2:52:54

um fears that we're all supposed to care about yet the money printing you know

2:52:59

building a society on on creating money out of thin air is a growth at all cost

2:53:05

society we grew in every you know in every metric that impacts the world we've gone

2:53:11

up into the right amount of people amount of businesses amount of products amount of pollution right we've gone up

2:53:17

into the right and i'm i'm i'm being generous to their point of view you you can't you know certainly there's

2:53:22

consensus that pollution is bad and we do too much of it and and there's not a great market mechanism to to incentivize

2:53:29

reducing that but you know so there's there's common sense stuff but there's like to what degree are we threatening

2:53:35

you know are we at an end of the world event okay right there's a difference

2:53:40

and thank you thank you for acknowledging that you're being generous to their point of view because like that's that's

2:53:46

i think in many cases you're giving them a very generous interpretation and so that's important to acknowledge for someone understands like no we're not

2:53:51

celebrating any of this stuff no i do like how how could i come up with a moderate secular thesis without

2:53:57

doing so so you know you have to get in their world and you have to assume that they believe they're good actors right

2:54:03

and you have to you have to imagine the incentives and constraints around them um and so if you imagine yourself a a

2:54:10

statesman presiding over the top level narratives that guide the world guide society um you know you what what is the

2:54:17

why behind that and so that's what i'm reading at i'm reaching at that y i'm reaching at the y and and that's why i

2:54:24

do this pattern matching between these malthusian fear spells so that i can understand the commonalities and that

2:54:30

would give me insight into the why and so um i think it really is you know before

2:54:36

you know you looked at japan what happened in japan when it became highly modernized um

2:54:42

it's funny it's like uh the state ended up owning all the wealth and uh they had you know they lost their ability to save

2:54:50

um housing stopped going up they had no no investment mechanism for families to save so the welfare went really high um

2:54:58

and uh so you had this broad disenfranchisement um the the everyone ended up uh um concentrating in

2:55:06

the metropolises and these towns you end up with ghost towns um and and and so i

2:55:12

think the central the central banks kind of looked at japan i feel like and said okay that's

2:55:19

our forecast for what's going to happen as we become more high-tech more modernized um people will lose their

2:55:26

assets they'll lose their ability to save they're going to lose their jobs the state will have to get bigger to

2:55:31

compensate at the same time you have to recognize that

2:55:37

genocide or democide which is just genocide conducted by governments is a balance sheet uh maneuver um you know

2:55:46

in the same way that that war is a statecraft to to um to bail out

2:55:52

governments and reset balance sheets um you know the governments view their citizens as

2:55:58

balance sheet line items and so you you're either in the assets column or the liabilities column and they do

2:56:05

um you know they do maintenance of and liabilities calm no

2:56:11

different than a corporation would do and so um i think to a certain extent the

2:56:17

government has greenlit experiments and greenlit new industry uh

2:56:23

absolved companies from cost because you know at the end of the day there's a segment of the population

2:56:29

that's not negative and um if they think they can get a a net gain out of this or

2:56:35

that um then that's a lower risk um endeavor and

2:56:40

so you know to a certain degree when you have reset you need growth

2:56:46

stories for the next cycle you know what is going to drive the growth what is the the the the

2:56:52

overlying narratives that are going to drive the next 100 years of growth right

2:56:58

and i think when the the gentleman at davos looked at the next 100 years and they

2:57:04

looked at the trends of a concentration in ai machine learning robotics computer vision they looked at the

2:57:10

disenfranchisement of um of jobs and i i think this is how they came up with

2:57:17

this fourth industrial revolution vision they're saying that um

2:57:22

that basically uh we will essentially shift to a more equitable world which is co-word for

2:57:28

communism will proliferate you'll have broad joblessness the state will provide

2:57:35

pod and soy food so you know house and you know living conditions and and

2:57:40

sustenance um but where does the industry

2:57:46

get its growth from and this is the catch 22 right um now

2:57:51

if you look at like a facebook so facebook is free is facebook profitable

2:57:57

i don't know i think so or is it yeah they're insanely profitable yeah um

2:58:03

it and the reason is is because they they aggressively monetize their users so

2:58:08

premium isn't free you're the product you you know in in google and gmail and all of them your data is the product

2:58:16

that's where the money comes from so when you're not paying your your data is is the prize

2:58:21

um and and now it's going even further where these uh technology companies are

2:58:27

realizing another book of business is censorship right so helping craft narrative

2:58:32

in partnership with the with the state and so um these companies are are turning their

2:58:38

profit streams towards centralization towards the government so they're becoming highly fascistic just like in

2:58:44

china where every successful company eventually is married with the state um

2:58:51

now so that trend's really important because it makes you realize the fundamental

2:58:56

relationship with the the citizens and the government is changing in a world where the citizens

2:59:02

produce a lot of value broadly they have high leverage over the government they you know the government is is um a

2:59:09

customer of the citizens uh when citizens can't protect their wealth they can't they're not producing

2:59:15

value they they put their governments in a place where they have to figure out a freemium

2:59:20

model okay so what what i suspect is happening is a

2:59:26

handful of things i think they're gr i think they're green lighting um the the

2:59:32

vaccine industrial complex which is really a transhumanism industry

2:59:37

that is being birthed out of this uh covid endemic yeah transhumanism is this

2:59:43

idea that if only we could do gmo and experiments broadly on the human species

2:59:48

we could finally overcome a lot of our the ailments that plague our species right but then

2:59:56

that's a secular answer yeah go ahead sorry yeah in order to do that you need you need immunity and you need the

3:00:02

ability to covertly run experiments on the whole planet um

3:00:08

but if you think if you think about that from from an industry like imagine the growth

3:00:13

at making humans that you know eugenics imagine the industry of eugenics how much um value that would

3:00:20

provide to central planners and the one percent right the fact that you could um

3:00:26

and that's interesting right because now you could argue that you know some percentage of the world is

3:00:33

no longer in the liabilities column even if you're paying for room and board even if you're paying for food that they have

3:00:39

a massive value i'm sorry you're so right though but now it's kind of like you know

3:00:45

facebook with freemium it's like you know learning from that you can actually productize your citizens because you can

3:00:53

use you know now they have value inherent value even if they're not working even if they don't add up they

3:00:58

do have a job it's to be the orifice of your experience um

3:01:04

well now where you hope to yield a significant scientific ground right that's that's

3:01:11

and so that's valuable to the monopoly on money the monopoly on force and so um

3:01:16

i i i think that there's some percentage of the population that that um that gets a free ride because they're

3:01:22

going to be submitted to that okay um and also you have to realize shifting

3:01:28

into this new um era of governance they're reaching for

3:01:33

autonomous governance and they need people to be in that system to develop it

3:01:39

so there's value in simply having people help the state learn

3:01:45

what's behind this autonomous governance uh road map and i and i think what they're reaching at honestly is to

3:01:52

create a general ai that manages that does communism perfectly because communism is this idea that we've

3:01:58

created heaven on earth um all of our you know none of us have to work um and

3:02:04

and there's perfect balance between man and nature it's it's very luciferian um

3:02:09

in in in this idea that but but the maddening part of it to communists

3:02:15

and and of what which central bankers are i mean the communism is there it's it's their sort

3:02:22

of first stab at the idealistic and in place for mankind um

3:02:29

maddening to them is that they can account for goods and services as inputs and they can write algorithms that that

3:02:34

that tell us how many we should uh create to have balance with nature but the the thing that and they can account

3:02:41

for policy of government and and fold that into models and and come up with you know

3:02:49

what the incentives structure should be but the problem is is that they can't account for uh human nature they can't

3:02:55

account for human action and they can't account for the human spirit and so um part of what this social scoring system

3:03:02

is if you can fully observe human activity you could use ai and machine learning to create the perfect central

3:03:08

planner and and i think at the end of what they're aiming at is they actually

3:03:14

want to give away autonomy of the human species permanently into an ai godhead that that

3:03:23

creates heaven on earth um you know from their point of view it's a problem-solving um well it's a it's a

3:03:30

wealth centralizing and a well-securing mechanism with the wealth being the best parts of living on earth because when

3:03:36

you own the money what else is left right you want you want the you know

3:03:41

all that's left is to make earth your heaven right so um [Laughter]

3:03:48

you know when you own all the wealth and and so you know you start to see where

3:03:53

there's a theological view it's like okay you're you're running you're upgrading the species through

3:03:59

covert through involuntary eugenics using um a fear of fresh air and germs

3:04:06

to deliver this mrna duplex and i fully expect them to fold every vaccine into a single

3:04:11

mrna duplex that you receive regularly and that they can run

3:04:17

various um experiments on different cohorts of people or for whatever their aims are at

3:04:23

tampering and adjusting our species and so of course there's the theological side

3:04:29

to that if you're christian but there's also a secular business site it's a new growth story for the next you know era

3:04:36

of humanity and so they're the governments are green lighting this industry which will prey on humans

3:04:42

productize them in the same way that facebook does and this is what will bankroll this is what will fund the

3:04:49

communism model right it has to because it has to be worth it to support people right

3:04:56

um so i think that's part of why the great reset their vision of the fourth industrial revolution includes the loss

3:05:04

of sovereignty and autonomy of the individual it's because you are kind of making this transition to being a

3:05:10

product um if you're a useless feeder if you're not part of that upper caste that

3:05:15

in the high-tech fascism that's a productive cast then you're in the lower the surf cast and so why are you being

3:05:22

supported why aren't you why are you being supported at all why what's the return on that um and i think these

3:05:29

growth stories are the return you're helping develop autonomous governance you're helping with the emergence of

3:05:34

this transhumanism industry um these are highly desirable to the the upper caste

3:05:42

and so that's why i don't believe we'll see an overt death event um

3:05:48

i don't think we'll see like a big mass depopulation moment maybe um one yeah

3:05:55

one because like it's too obvious right yes it's too obvious like

3:06:01

okay so let's say okay let's say from a business point of view i said okay the there's a tam

3:06:07

there's a total addressable market on transhumanism and you know i need

3:06:14

i need like a billion and a half people and that would be enough right so casual

3:06:20

so casual yeah that's the tam on transhumanism and

3:06:26

let's say we roll up the west in the likeness of china and we say okay in the next cycle they're going to compete on

3:06:33

this new playing field of malthusianism where everyone's trying to save the world from environment like

3:06:39

environmental failure um okay and that's going to let us you know develop this autonomous governance

3:06:45

system which creates perfect symbiosis on on planet earth right and that creates this wonderful

3:06:53

experience the best parts of being are preserved and we're only the only you know the only cost is human choice

3:06:59

you'll never have you know you won't have choice or mean but hey free will yeah free will that's it that's all you

3:07:05

have to say not your free will just the free will 99 of the people

3:07:10

um and then what like what's the ideal tan maybe that's i don't know a billion right you don't

3:07:16

need eight billion people 500 million is what the georgia guidestone says yeah okay um okay so how are we gonna

3:07:24

get there these um you know when you're in state craft and governance you don't do things

3:07:30

on the order of 10 years you do think on the order of 100 years yeah so you know

3:07:35

um i you know it could go anyway i don't think you see like a this is why i hurt people who fixate on

3:07:42

kovit i think you're you're missing the trees the forest for the trees because you're so zoomed in

3:07:50

if you don't zoom out and view history through the lens of money you'll never understand

3:07:55

um that covet is an act that was manufactured for us in the same way that

3:08:01

like red team blue team democracy is not you know that's there to prevent you from seeing reality

3:08:07

that's not reality um and so i don't think you get an over death offend um i think what they're

3:08:14

doing is they're they're rolling out and normalizing um uh uh having access to everyone's body

3:08:21

and being able to put stuff in it um regularly um they're learning i think they're running

3:08:27

a handful of experiments while they're doing it this is why you see when they analyze the different vaccine cohorts

3:08:33

that they saw some were really deadly some weren't yep um and you don't see that with with the flu

3:08:38

vaccines with influenza vaccine so that's new and that's a red herring like it's it's just real data that's bearing

3:08:44

everyone in the face showing something's going on behind the scenes that's making um you know why why is uh some people

3:08:51

there's color to people losing hair there's people having still birth there's cohorts of people who

3:08:58

get this this this aids-like um condition and so

3:09:04

the weird thing with smell being lost all these things that just aren't normal they're they aren't of nature

3:09:10

i mean they're of nature in the sense that we could create it in nature but tolerate it but they aren't they aren't um

3:09:16

like emergent as part of like adaptive evolution right like things slowly adapting to reality

3:09:23

um so okay so you cast this wide net you normalize that

3:09:29

and um yeah if you you know once you have the lever

3:09:34

then you could turn it all you like in whatever way you like and so there's already been a sort of war on

3:09:41

on population growth through um covert means um through um

3:09:47

a food so especially uh the down engineering um the hor the very

3:09:53

sensitive hormones required to have children um through hidden estrogens that are

3:09:59

everywhere in plastics through things that uh disrupt testosterone um through the emasculation

3:10:06

of men um these sort of marxist poison pills these cultural poison pills

3:10:12

um the the sleight of hand that went from sort of gay rights turned into this

3:10:17

lgbtq imperialism where it's this absolute you know it's no longer okay to be straight

3:10:24

you know this you know it went from like making it okay to be different now it's it's no longer okay to be normal

3:10:30

um and that's everywhere you know you have these [ __ ] these [ __ ] pole dancing shows at pre you know government

3:10:37

preschools and whatever so it's it's um you know you have all those things that and now

3:10:43

fold in the fact that um that uh with these vaccines you know there does

3:10:50

seem to be a concerning trend of fertility issues right so is it you know i

3:10:57

i think it's a layered approach it's a covert approach and i think if the world population is taking an mrna duplex

3:11:05

regularly and a small you know the one percent that the eugenically inclined

3:11:10

uh portion of the earth is you know manufacturing these um i think they'll

3:11:16

have all they'll need to covertly dial down the population to the desired

3:11:21

population level um i think money printing economics is a great tool to

3:11:27

um to extract everyone's wealth centralize it into the state then all you need to

3:11:33

do is just attach credit creation to the shape of society that you want so if you want everyone in the mega cities um

3:11:40

make ubi contingent on living there and then the countryside will clear out um

3:11:47

if you want if you want to clear out if you want to make people where they can't produce their own food and they can't sort of live their own way you know a

3:11:53

war on on on energy colored you know described as uh climate

3:12:00

change just make it where it's not okay to have energy um

3:12:05

you know where cows are selfish right and so you know

3:12:11

it's okay so you can't the world is a massive complex system and you can't control it

3:12:17

you can't micro you can't control the outcomes and no one can no one has that power um but the world is based on incentives

3:12:24

and the greatest incentive on this planet is is credit creation and we've lived in that world for 400 years and

3:12:32

and we're so we're so addicted to credit creation as a world that um

3:12:41

this this central banking uh circle can attach that to anything and we would do it at this point and and because if we

3:12:48

didn't have continued credit creation um the hard fact is like we kind of signed

3:12:53

a deal with the devil the world really would collapse now

3:13:00

you know people are always surprised when they hear me talking about this because it's like a really bleak thesis like it's really scary

3:13:07

pieces yeah um that that tries to tie in everything but i'm not i don't sound

3:13:12

black-tilled and i don't sound pessimistic i'm like optimistic and i'm kind of like psyched and energetic and

3:13:18

like how can that be how is that possible yeah um

3:13:23

and and i think it's because like um from a secular point of view someone in

3:13:29

2008 in the the banking crisis occupy wall street someone released

3:13:35

bitcoin in the same day that the chancellor in in uh bailed out the banks in the uk

3:13:43

um and it was within close proximity of the u.s going through the same thing the world monetary system they basically

3:13:50

used credit create money printing to kick the can down the road knowing they were going to have to do this surgery

3:13:55

not that long after a decade later they kicked the can down the road someone released bitcoin

3:14:01

and since then i've started to see

3:14:07

that even if the great reset succeeds like they kind of get it off

3:14:13

the ground i think bitcoin's going to unwind it because the bitcoin represents

3:14:18

flourishing and individual and family empowerment and it represents the ability to simply opt out of all this

3:14:25

insanity that you see and say you know what i'm going to go focus on my family i'm going to go be with people who care

3:14:32

about individuals and family who care and and and sort of it's almost like unplugging from the

3:14:39

matrix in a way and i see that so they want this great reset fully

3:14:45

realized by 2030 end of this decade and if you now that you know that as you see social

3:14:50

media everything coming from the progressive mainstream media which is an extension of the state at this point

3:14:56

is it's all aimed 2030 so you'll see that number over and over and over

3:15:01

um i look at how bitcoin is growing like it's growing exponentially and i think

3:15:07

that i think you're actually going to have a split on earth and mankind of

3:15:12

um you'll have a a central planning money printing society

3:15:18

um in its twilight that thinks that it's extending the fiat system over these mega cities and at the

3:15:25

same time i think you're going to have a a fork where um you'll have a a bitcoin era being

3:15:32

born um and and already you see like okay so

3:15:37

loads of individuals have decided to use bitcoin as their as their currency like their their money

3:15:44

for their family and they all sound like me they're all like empowered and can't believe how it

3:15:50

changed their life and and they all have high confidence and optimism of the future

3:15:55

and that creates like an attractive flourishing that other people wonder about like how in the middle of

3:16:01

this chaos are you confident about the future because you're confident that you're confident in 21 million right

3:16:08

you're confident in your ability to preserve your sacrifice and that makes you confident about

3:16:14

planning for the future makes you able to plan for the future so you're not huddled under the state waiting for them

3:16:20

to solve this catastrophe for you but it's not just individuals like um

3:16:25

there's a trend in the last couple years that companies corporations have started holding bitcoin on their balance sheet

3:16:31

right right and i think that's going to go all the way to apple it's going to go all the way to these bigger companies

3:16:36

eventually realize yeah we need to hold this too because you know we also don't want our time

3:16:42

stolen we also don't want our value debased um because we want to plan for the

3:16:48

future too and it it also is going up to countries i mean you have

3:16:55

el salvador said they made bitcoin legal tender and they started holding bitcoin on their balance sheet and their

3:17:02

citizens can now conduct you just treat bitcoin like money so there's no taxes on it you just you go

3:17:08

use your sat to buy coffee or pay for groceries and um they're doing a bonds offering so

3:17:15

they're actually the first country of all time to offer sovereign debt based on bitcoin and so what

3:17:21

they're going to do is they're going to package bitcoin and this debt offering and they're going to build a bitcoin

3:17:27

city off the side of this volcano and use the the renewable energy to power a bitcoin mine so that they can mine

3:17:33

bitcoin and and essentially fund the creation of this sovereign city it reminds me of the renaissance

3:17:41

like the renaissance you had this dark ages and then what emerged through that is these sovereign cities that that

3:17:47

you know it through flourishing attracted brilliant capitalists and brilliant people and it created this

3:17:52

feedback loop where everyone was attracted to it because of the misery elsewhere yeah and i think we might see

3:17:58

a bitcoin renaissance i mean you know the great reset is helping

3:18:03

really maximize the misery all over the world this fiat system we're at peak misery there's nothing that's effective

3:18:10

about it they're leading people through fear and catastrophe and trauma and it works a little bit but it's really hard

3:18:17

to do that when you know right next door there's flourishing because flourishing and happiness and success

3:18:23

is just a stronger force and so you know i'm confident because i see

3:18:29

individuals leaving the trauma and catastrophe of the fiat era and and and

3:18:35

just place in saying you know what can i move into the bitcoin era now like why wait let me just move now and it

3:18:41

completely changes their life i see companies doing it and i see countries doing it and i think that um in a

3:18:47

competition of innately free humans flourishing winds

3:18:53

and even if there's tragedy and genocide and enslavement and all these things i think at the end of the day

3:18:59

our our innate compass will take us to an era where um

3:19:05

you can't steamroll families you can't steal their wealth where um you know

3:19:12

you you can't eliminate the natural order that uh god put in

3:19:17

everyone and you know it to a certain degree

3:19:23

theologically you can look and say has man overplayed his hand in terms of

3:19:30

threatening free will and did god lift his finger and allow bitcoin to exist

3:19:36

and essentially say with almost no effort um you know what you're not gonna have control over money anymore

3:19:43

yeah wow and and no one will be able to control it and and you you know

3:19:49

because i don't i don't think it's god's purpose to um ameliorate tragedy i think you know i i

3:19:56

think he's god is completely content with tragedy because you know all the tragedy that we experience outside of

3:20:02

the tragedy of being sort of the the inescapable tragedy of existing right we can't escape death

3:20:08

there isn't unlimited things um you know nature is you know entropy is killing us

3:20:14

that's that's tragic but not evil it's like like that's you can't get away from that

3:20:20

that's part of existing but most of the tragedy that we're trying to eliminate is tragedy that flows forth

3:20:27

from the limitations of man to begin with right um

3:20:32

starvation and war and genocide and enslavement you know people say

3:20:38

why doesn't god stop these babies from dying it's like it's not

3:20:44

it's god gave us free will so that we could experience the tragedy of our own limitations so that we could learn the

3:20:51

cost of sin so that we could choose to to face good or not but

3:20:56

and so i think none of the tragedy offends i mean the sin offends god but he he he loves us enough to allow us to

3:21:02

unders to experience it so we can understand in the smallest way why why he hates the sin um but but because

3:21:10

of that the tragedy is acceptable like it's except it's it's within the terms so it's not that it's not

3:21:17

so it's not that god would create bitcoin too because it's like too much tragedy i think if you really want to

3:21:23

threaten god you will you or if you want to tempt god you will threaten free will itself you will say hey i'm going to

3:21:29

make it where future generations won't have the ability to even realize themselves to to understand what it

3:21:36

means to be human to to have a hero's journey to to have the choice to turn towards good

3:21:43

um if you threaten the human story itself i think that you would you invite

3:21:48

um some some intervention and i think bitcoin might be that intervention

3:21:54

there's a lot of secularists who you know who get sick when i say that but there's

3:22:00

a lot of christians who it really resonates with so i maintain that below the secular thesis i you know

3:22:07

there really is ground for a theological view and i think it has a ton of merit

3:22:13

i'm really glad that we got here because um while you were while you were talking

3:22:18

about the reset i had this i had this image of nuance which you would introduce which i finally saw because

3:22:24

i'm i'm a theologically minded faith-minded man so i tend to think along those dimensions and i tend to

3:22:30

look at things kind of unilaterally in that way that it's all driven by this kind of let's say death cult but you're very right that there is a potential

3:22:37

possible secular explanation for let's say world controllers or bankers who like they don't buy any that

3:22:44

like spirituality religious mumbo jumbo like they just they're just interested in the money and they're just interested in some very secular problems i don't

3:22:51

really care but the cult is real and what was really kind of scary for a minute for me about what you were saying just

3:22:57

in terms of my own realization was the understanding that for for a moment it seems as if probably longer than a

3:23:04

moment it seems as if the field the the death cult theological drive and the secular drive were aligned and what

3:23:11

we're seeing is they they shook hands and they agreed and they said okay our goals are essentially the same we want

3:23:17

to you know we want to get down to this technological solution and you know for all these different reasons it's like

3:23:23

let's work together to do this thing okay cool okay so i agree with you also

3:23:28

on the renaissance aspect and that's the why why i name my brand and my podcast the renaissance of men because i bel i

3:23:35

have seen the same trends as you have um in terms of peak misery but that's

3:23:40

generating a a rebirth of men in terms of masculinity to push back the different men coming in through the

3:23:46

different doors wake up for different reasons and recognize the need to push back on this theological secular tyranny

3:23:52

and as far as i had this is really cool because as far as i had gotten with this

3:23:57

um was was there is absolutely a christian revival that's happening within the within men and masculinity

3:24:03

right now it's it's undeniable you can talk about things i can talk about things in the open with regard to jesus

3:24:09

christ and that faith that i i don't think that people would have been able to do just a couple years ago and i think it's a very natural outgrowth so

3:24:16

if you look at things in terms of the balance where you have the the feel of terms of in terms of reset where you

3:24:21

have the the theological dimension where you have the with the death cult let's say aligned with the secular bankers you

3:24:27

have that too you have the spirit and money right and they've they've come to work together on the side of this masculine

3:24:33

renaissance there's the spirit there's very clearly a spirit aspect maybe not all the men are christians some of them

3:24:39

are pagans some of them are various religions but there's a there's a spiritual facing kind of aspect where men are discovering the need to root

3:24:45

themselves spiritually in some way to push back on tyranny but what i hadn't yet come up with an answer for is where

3:24:51

is the material pushback and i think that you just said it because the material pushback comes in the nature of

3:24:57

money that you can opt out of the system with everything you have you can grow your own food you can have your you can

3:25:03

you can have bullets in your gun and you can have all the stuff out on the homestead you can do have your own well

3:25:08

and solar power and you can be completely sovereign but you can't be completely sovereign unless you can take

3:25:14

your money with you because they can always get at you through your money so you need some sort of sovereign money

3:25:20

and and you just said it right there that maybe god lifted his finger to allow bitcoin to exist because i myself

3:25:26

have struggled to understand how something like bitcoin can exist without a theological explanation and i've read

3:25:33

the white paper and there's nothing mystical about the white paper i think i i plan to read the thing and thought

3:25:38

that it would be like have this kind of weird kind of energy around it's like no it's actually quite clear and quite

3:25:43

concrete but i i can't get around this notion that gosh if there is a spiritual dimension to reality then there's a

3:25:49

spiritual dimension to everything and most of all money and there can be a dark spiritual dimension of money but i think we may have actually found the

3:25:56

light spiritual dimension to money gosh after all these thousands of years and and um i like i can imagine that there

3:26:03

are a lot of secularists that get uncomfortable in talking about bitcoin in those terms and i i myself feel funny

3:26:08

talking about it but gosh as a christian man as a theologically mandated minded man

3:26:13

i can't help but admit that that's a possibility that there is something divinely ordained about it and i feel

3:26:20

good in my heart saying that um which is really exciting that we got here because i wanted to talk about the faith aspect as well

3:26:26

so so you you can't have a theological thesis without a secular thesis because you

3:26:32

know when you think like the aim that the goal of that's the devil of

3:26:39

evil you're breaking up a bit yeah they are okay i'm going to restart that sentence

3:26:47

so you you can't have a theological thesis without a secular thesis um

3:26:52

the aim of the the uh you know the dark the evil side of any

3:26:58

spirit of spiritualism and christianity the devil is it is secular it's a

3:27:03

secular aim it's basically a um i'm at the same level uh as god i don't

3:27:09

recognize god i i can i can through i can i can do

3:27:14

it myself i can go my own way i can create this world um through secular means and so it makes sense that

3:27:21

you know when you have a society that turns away from god um it comes in the form of secular aims that they

3:27:28

themselves don't realize they're deceived they've been enlisted right in in these evil ends and so you know i i

3:27:35

think um if you just have a theological thesis like this is evil um it's it's

3:27:41

not enough right because it it because they um like the nature of of

3:27:47

humans is that we believe we're good actors even when we're um when we're deceived well and so many humans some

3:27:53

humans i think i think there is a component of humanity that does the wrong thing because it's the wrong thing because they get

3:27:59

perverse pleasure out of human suffering i think that that is we don't know anybody like that but those people exist

3:28:05

sure but even they believe that that is good um to be fair and and um

3:28:11

okay like they might have aware they might have awareness that there's no consensus that the consensus doesn't agree with

3:28:18

them but they believe it is good good and fine to to to do that to do that and and um

3:28:25

even if they see the fact that society rejects it um now

3:28:31

now now uh just also you mentioned that people they see bitcoin and they think

3:28:37

they're so mystified by um the fact that it could actually be money that exists and resists government like it exists

3:28:44

outside of government it resists government um you know from a

3:28:49

software like a technological point of view like the technology the primitives

3:28:54

that have existed to that exists within bitcoin that that make bitcoin possible

3:29:00

like 90 of that has existed um in the last 15 years um so like

3:29:06

when myself and other software engineers when we're building the distributed systems within sort of the big tech companies that you use every day we do

3:29:14

employ consensus algorithms that allow the different parts of these companies

3:29:20

to work um so from so a lot of what's in bitcoin existed

3:29:28

um the the big thing is that they they filled in a couple important gaps um that really uh um

3:29:35

uh were needed to ensure that you would only ever have 21 million bitcoin and

3:29:41

that allowed bitcoin to exist even as the entire world even as governments were attacking it so

3:29:46

they they they had some groundbreaking discoveries um that that filled in those

3:29:53

gaps there were different there were previous attempts um in the last 15 years at making e-money that just never

3:30:00

succeeded because they didn't have the full equation so um to those that are completely mystified

3:30:05

that bitcoin could exist like the best way to think about it is that um it almost existed a few times before

3:30:11

because computers have advanced pretty far at building distributed systems um it's just someone finally figured it out

3:30:18

they launched it exactly when we were bailing out the banks and like this mine virus it's it's

3:30:23

my virus is the right word the wrong word this positive re-engineering primitive

3:30:29

that's reprogramming the world and has been since um uh it was released over a

3:30:34

decade ago and so um like there really is

3:30:39

a wow factor to it but it is not you know i don't think it's out of the purview of what man can do and so i

3:30:46

don't think um right some folks who say like bitcoin is god or something i think that goes too far

3:30:54

way too far i think you know the extent that i'd be willing to tolerate is that um

3:30:59

there's a timing element and that there's a too good to be true element that leads me to believe that it could

3:31:04

be intervention but i would say no more than divine intervention right um

3:31:10

and and and merely because this fiat era it's in its sunset

3:31:15

they want to extend it into you know from kind of covert slavery

3:31:20

where it's money printing and you're wondering why you can't retire and you're wondering why your uncle's going back to work and you're wondering why

3:31:26

there's so much misery around you they want to transition that they want to extend the fiat experiment transition it

3:31:32

into overt slavery where you never you know where it's almost like the giver you never have any real autonomy

3:31:39

of self um and i think uh the timing that a bitcoin would come in

3:31:45

and unwind that and and and everyone who considered themselves a free man could

3:31:51

simply choose to go in that direction and not go into the slave cities not go into this new social

3:31:58

scoring governance system um that to me i have a hard time

3:32:04

coming up with a secular thesis on that i mean simply because reset has happened

3:32:11

over and over and there's never been another game to play if you were like a little country in el salvador and

3:32:17

you're at the bottom of the monetary order and when reset happened you would play your part right so they would tell

3:32:23

you okay here's what's happening here the narrative is and you would play along because you you know if you

3:32:28

weren't plugged into the monetary order then you you know your country could collapse

3:32:34

okay so you there was never another game to play you played along for survival sake and they made sure that uh playing

3:32:41

along was attached to survival that you wouldn't have they wouldn't be able to deliver you through reset unless you played along they would

3:32:48

ensure that you weren't delivered through um but now all of a sudden for the first time ever in human history there's

3:32:54

another game there's another game and families are playing it corporations are playing it

3:33:00

countries are playing it you're getting a fork in in in our species a fork of

3:33:06

people who value and protect their time free people and a fork of people who say

3:33:11

i don't value autonomy i want the state to take care of me and then of course there's a big gray

3:33:18

area of people who have been traumatized they're terrified they've been deceived they've been captured and they're just

3:33:24

following the herd for safety's sake yep

3:33:29

what's so interesting that you pointed out as all the corporations that own bitcoin now as sort of it's like they're

3:33:36

hedging you know like if this is if this resource reset is happening in here we just are

3:33:42

chatting about it casually on a podcast like clearly at the top the boardrooms of these corporations where they

3:33:47

allocate capital you know they must be seeing these things too and you would expect the predicted behavior was that

3:33:53

they wouldn't invest in bitcoin but they are and uh you know that's sort of that's

3:33:58

sort of interesting and provocative because you would expect them pushing the pedal to the metal and going full

3:34:04

towards this reset if everything is truly proceeding as planned but that you have you have them putting a little

3:34:10

handhold like well maybe i'll hold on to this other possibility just in case right i thought i think that's a really

3:34:16

fascinating aspect of what's going on yeah cause either you you are essentially relying on a promise from

3:34:23

government that they're going to ensure that you're delivered through this chaos and you might even they might even be

3:34:29

offering you a forever monopoly like you look at bill gates it looks a lot like he's earning a few forever monopolies in

3:34:36

soy food i know that he's purchased over one percent of all the farmland so you know if the government knew that

3:34:43

they were going to end up having um uh subsidized food um you know a lot of

3:34:48

industry gets created during this and so like it looks a little like he's lined

3:34:54

himself up to be ready to receive that monop that state-provided monopoly um so there's people that are really

3:35:00

close to the state that are saying i'm i'm betting on the state you look at larry fink black rock i mean a lot of people betting on the state because it's

3:35:07

such a privileged position to be to have the monopoly on force ensuring that you

3:35:12

and your heirs are wealthy right um but at the same time the further away from the fountain of money printing that you

3:35:19

get the more unsureness that you have and and you know so you're like okay so i have a promise that if we you know

3:35:26

do this corporate activism and we fought you know do these mandates and blah blah blah that we're going to keep having

3:35:32

credit creation and the further away you get the more likely you're going to get founders like michael saylor

3:35:38

microstrategy who say you know why don't we just buy the bitcoin and not rely on the promise of

3:35:44

you know these inflationary governance systems right let's just buy bitcoin take our future into our own hands

3:35:51

um provider shareholders with clarity and certainty um and and

3:35:56

and courage is contagious it really is growing um so

3:36:02

you know i i don't think it's you know people say laser why aren't you

3:36:08

why are you so optimistic and it's because it's not futile it's it's beautiful what's happening you know

3:36:14

we're not unlucky we're lucky um you know we're living through the most important 10 years of the next several

3:36:20

thousand years um and it's birthing the type of like strong men that can leave

3:36:26

this soft era behind and and bitcoin at the bedrock um you know if you like you

3:36:32

said you could have firearms and to protect your family and you can have um a little food forest and chickens to

3:36:39

ensure that you have food and you can network in your town but and you can defend all those things

3:36:45

but if you can't defend your time and that's what money is then that you know you can't

3:36:52

then you're always gonna be a slave whoever commands the world's time

3:36:57

owns the world and it's that realization you know

3:37:02

god grants the individual divine providence are you part of the collective or or are you going to take

3:37:07

your own time into your own hands would you be willing to talk a little

3:37:12

bit about uh about how you found faith um i would be happy to talk about it as well because i think that's a really

3:37:18

interesting conclusion that many men are getting to myself included i was baptized in september of 2020 and labor day weekend

3:37:25

actually is one of the best things i ever did and as a question i had for you as well if you'd be willing to discuss

3:37:31

you know how you found how you found faith and the impact it's had on your life

3:37:36

yeah i'd be happy to talk about i think um you know when i started studying history

3:37:42

i realized that when these government cycles took place when when the government was having a bear

3:37:48

cycle or another you know a government is another word for mankind because really a government is the

3:37:54

reflection of us we you know it's easy to blame the government but the reality is we allowed and created it through our

3:38:01

own um nature uh our own security we basically stood up this this power state

3:38:08

to protect us from existing the the dangers of existing and that has led to all this evil so

3:38:14

um when the government has bear cycles god has its bull cycle

3:38:21

the faith as a bulls when mankind has a bear a

3:38:27

a great depression uh faith has a renaissance right um

3:38:33

and and because what essentially what i'm saying is when we realize that all of our

3:38:39

secular answers to god to god's creation are futile is when we refine god

3:38:46

and and like and and that's how i that's how i

3:38:52

made my way back to jesus christ back to god is is in 2020 when the coveted hysteria had

3:38:59

had hit this fever pitch and and started going 24 7 i think it was march

3:39:06

um it was right after the the black lives matter like um

3:39:11

uh uh they had their moment where you had all these young self-identifying communists saying they wanted

3:39:17

a revolution they wanted gulags and they wanted you know to remake the us as this over

3:39:25

um communist like you know this weird world and and i was in washington

3:39:31

actually the funny thing is i was in an uh apartment in um in the uh

3:39:37

what was it the uh i forgot what they called it but they actually turned you know it was the first place in the united states

3:39:44

yeah it was the chest yeah so i was like yeah i was living in a little war zone that they like declared

3:39:51

to be a communist their own separate communist country and there were multiple people dying outside where i

3:39:56

was sleeping like within stone's throw every night um just because it was this

3:40:02

yeah just this bizarre turn of events that and it was the george floyd and the black lives matter

3:40:08

psyop that that let you know really invigorated this young victim

3:40:14

uh youth right you know that that they were being oppressed and it was time to break the

3:40:19

chains no matter the cost which of course made them open to genocide and open to being demons themselves right uh

3:40:27

uh sacrifice and and that scared the [ __ ] out of me

3:40:33

uh but i started um reading about history and i i learned um

3:40:39

in the nature of um communism and the revolution and genocide and the nature of it and i and

3:40:46

i i learned that um um you know that satan

3:40:53

works through like satan likes sinners and sins but he really likes

3:40:59

crowds and compounding sin is where like the biggest harvest of evil is and

3:41:06

if you if you study um if you study history you'll see that um genocides all

3:41:12

have the same uh they rhyme and um you know it's easy when you think of

3:41:18

like the holocaust you just think oh all those german families are evil

3:41:24

and we're not evil right right and easy just to think about it in

3:41:30

those simplistic terms um but as i studied uh about um

3:41:38

and the holocaust and all the you know cambodia all these genocides and i realized

3:41:44

what happens is um the state the government convinces the

3:41:50

people that they are a victim in some way and then they

3:41:56

they um they essentially propaganda they they beat their populace

3:42:02

with non-stop propaganda reinforcing the victimhood until they became a um

3:42:09

enraged victim collective and when they're enraged as a victim

3:42:14

collective they'll do anything to quote-unquote break the chains to be free again

3:42:20

because it's such an injustice and that's when they'll look the other way slash cheer

3:42:25

for a solution to their victimhood uh like a final solution and um

3:42:32

it's the same way over and over again so in in germany um after world war one uh germany lost

3:42:40

um the the german government um and so they

3:42:46

they were losers and and and they had no prospects in in the future all the families so

3:42:54

they their their spirit was down because they lost as a country and their central bank uh hyper-inflated the currency to

3:43:00

pay the debts of the war but then they had no money and they had no industry

3:43:06

and there was but the only industry that remained after um world war one

3:43:11

were these fascist industries that that basically the state delivered through reset

3:43:17

um and what comprised a large part of of those insider industry was uh

3:43:23

intellectuals uh who were largely of jewish descent um

3:43:29

and so you had a german populace who who was broke had no future were losers and

3:43:35

then you had these this part of the population were these um foreigners who

3:43:42

were who still had their livelihood um the german people were victims and in

3:43:48

the true sense of the work they had their they had their money stolen by the government um yeah and the funny thing

3:43:54

is that the central bank of germany is is um you know it

3:44:00

it these families are you know it's it's or maybe the right word to say is were of

3:44:06

jewish descent i mean i think um the the uh to a large degree um those families

3:44:13

are now it's not in it you know it's it's not really of any uh

3:44:20

like it's not really worth thinking past that other than to say

3:44:25

there it's largely a secular left like a progressive ideology and so um

3:44:33

but there's irony in that in that the um those central bankers partnered with the

3:44:39

german state to to um steal everyone's money

3:44:45

to pay for war debt and um then the german people became

3:44:51

and then they used like the conservative general jewish population is a scapegoat

3:44:59

um and so there's an irony in that that this progressive elite who actually conspired with with the german state to

3:45:05

steal everyone's money actually um pinned it on the conservative um middle

3:45:10

class um who still had their livelihood but

3:45:16

so now amongst so so you had all that um that atmosphere where there was a

3:45:23

tension um and out of that emerged this really incredible orator

3:45:30

a military man that told these people stories about why

3:45:35

they were victims and it created a common enemy amongst people and and and

3:45:40

the german people started to believe that they were oppressed and they were victimized and and they were um

3:45:46

in all their problems the source was this common enemy and and so they really believed and

3:45:52

loved this leader and that leader ended up being hitler and he of course told them it was the jews that had stolen

3:45:57

their livelihood and stolen their future and had you know ruined all the aspects of their their country and culture

3:46:04

and and so the german people weren't evil they believed they were victims deeply and they became an enraged victim

3:46:12

victim collective that you know was sold a solution to their

3:46:18

problems and they looked the other way because they found their own pain so tolerable that no not only did they look

3:46:25

the other way they cheered for it you had all the whole society cheering for genocide and so

3:46:31

um that really affected me learning that

3:46:37

like like truly realizing the implications of that that it's not that the german people

3:46:44

were evil it's that they were normal and if i was in germany and my family

3:46:50

was we'd more likely be like them than the very few people

3:46:56

that helped jews escape and um

3:47:02

and that's the case with every genocide um in soviet russia

3:47:08

um they they convinced everyone that it wasn't

3:47:13

the government that that partnered with central banks to steal everyone's money and centralize

3:47:19

things to launch this experimental form of governance called communism

3:47:25

it wasn't them to blame it was that the productive class who produced all the goods and services that everyone enjoyed

3:47:32

they were too greedy they stole everyone's wealth and that's why they were victims that's why they

3:47:38

had no prospects and so the people of russia became a a victim this enraged

3:47:45

victim collective and the government just had to keep telling them stories about that until the until they demanded a solution

3:47:52

they demanded the gulags they demanded genocide because the injustice was too large to tolerate the chains had to be

3:47:59

broken they had to be free of this evil of their own victimhood but of course in reality

3:48:05

they were deceived and they participated in this massive compounded sin event and

3:48:11

it's you know the worst type of evils that our our species is capable of these

3:48:17

compounded sins this enslavement genocide you know when you

3:48:23

participate in like the creation of mountains of bodies um

3:48:28

yeah i just this is so i i was researching this stuff in um march 2020 as kobit was

3:48:35

hitting um this this deafening speech and it just affected me so deeply

3:48:41

that i actually i became um sorrowful and and i was in the state of

3:48:46

despair because i felt like i had realized such a fundamental truth that um

3:48:53

you know i grew up progressive so i grew up um thinking that

3:48:58

science was good and men you know as a collective were generally good and that we made so much progress as a species

3:49:06

and that we actually invented religion ourselves in order to um scale scale morality right so that we

3:49:14

scaled out across all the people but now we were moral we didn't we don't need religion anymore so now it's just

3:49:19

holding it back we need to get rid of it we don't need faith we don't need god we just invented that right

3:49:25

um and i actually believed that um and it wasn't until the world started

3:49:30

falling apart that i realized i didn't know what the [ __ ] i was talking about excuse my

3:49:36

language that that we hadn't learned anything as a species in terms of morality that we that you know history

3:49:43

wasn't going to repeat itself it's us who does that and it's because um fundamentally

3:49:50

there i didn't understand before but i understood after this research that

3:49:58

evil is easier to casually commit

3:50:04

than good um and when you co and and the craziest

3:50:09

things the most terrifying harrowing things about our species is that it's

3:50:15

not the small evils even like murder and rape and stuff and as as as as um

3:50:20

horrible as those are it's the compounded sins it's it's when it's when crowds of people don't choose to be good

3:50:28

um it creates these these events that are absolutely

3:50:34

um so heavy to unders and to truly understand that not only have we not

3:50:41

grown past that but we're going to do it again and we and and in the context of black lives matter and this coveted

3:50:48

thing i was realizing we might be doing it again now and so i i just had this

3:50:54

this weight of everything on of all sin on my shoulders is what it felt like and i was just in complete despair and

3:51:02

i think in that darkest moment i started to you know i grew up christian in a christian family i rejected it all but

3:51:08

in that moment i kind of had this weird thought that like i couldn't tolerate knowing that truth

3:51:16

it was too much to tolerate and it just hurt too much it gave me too much sorrow and um

3:51:22

i just had this feeling that if if i could um return to christ or that

3:51:28

or somehow i knew i was heading towards christ and and because if i did i could endure that truth

3:51:36

and more i mean like not only could i endure that terrible truth but i could still believe in being good and it also

3:51:42

made sense of of it because it gave meaning to the the sin it gave me meaning to the

3:51:48

tragedy so um it wasn't that long after i started bitcoin like that started transforming

3:51:54

my value system in terms of responsibility then i started seeing the terrible tragedy of man manifest in in

3:52:01

reset manifest in this um sort of chaotic collapse of society that we're

3:52:06

we're experiencing that um you know it had to have meaning because if it didn't i probably would have

3:52:13

killed myself to be honest because um to real if i stayed um this atheist secular

3:52:19

progressive view it would mean that human kinds were worthless it would mean that kinds um that that

3:52:26

the best thing for earth would be to eliminate as as many humans as possible that's what the progressive conclusion

3:52:34

of genocide is or at least destroy free will to restrain um what we're capable of um and i and

3:52:41

and you know i'm i'm a stubborn strong value-minded person and that obviously even to a secular person is hell

3:52:48

incarnate like that's hell itself that conclusion so um i you know i i kind of just i had a

3:52:56

tragedy of of um of existence because i i um i had

3:53:03

stumbled into this this irreconcilable truth that without

3:53:09

you know being on the same team as as god and jesus christ i couldn't carry that i couldn't

3:53:16

see the point in that but once i recognized it and and then sort of

3:53:23

allowed myself to be taken in that direction it started to make sense of everything

3:53:29

because i could come up with a theological answer for why um why

3:53:35

we have to endure ourselves or our why we have to endure the the tragedy of our own limitations

3:53:42

and the tragedy of being it's it's and and that answer is that

3:53:48

will god tried to create a company

3:53:53

um and and that company was say and he thought he was god's equal and he

3:54:00

didn't understand the cost of sin he didn't understand why god hated it so much and so he was a spoiled child that

3:54:07

tried to create that tried to be on the same level and didn't appreciate what it was all for

3:54:14

and so god created us on earth limited finite

3:54:20

so that we could experience the result of that limitation and we

3:54:25

could experience sin because it would all flow from us and that we would see the cost of that

3:54:30

and when you truly understood the cost of sin um it would be intolerable it would be

3:54:35

terrifying and and that would make you appreciate in the smallest sense

3:54:41

god's feeling about sin and but even bigger than that you would realize that it's all worth it it's all

3:54:48

worth it because even the even the smallest amount of

3:54:54

good outshines all of that and um

3:55:01

the propensity to commit this absolute staggering tragedy is made up by the fact that these little

3:55:07

glimpses of good that we get to see and and that when you orient yourself

3:55:13

towards it it really is precious and worthwhile and and that you can endure the atrocity of existence and you can

3:55:20

um you know uh nietzsche said like um he he he began

3:55:25

believing the value of a man is is in how much truth he can bear how much

3:55:31

truth he can dare and i think i kind of had that nietzschean moment where i was like

3:55:38

you know how much truth can i dare how much truth can i bear um and and

3:55:44

the truth is is is that you know evil is easy good is hard it evil is

3:55:51

scary not because it takes someone evil to do it it's scary because you could do

3:55:56

it without thinking about it too much um and so that's kind of my story how i

3:56:04

ended up realizing that you know i it's not that i found christ it's like

3:56:09

he was there when um when i realized the cost of sin and i

3:56:15

rea and i knew that like this decade we you know in 2020 when this happened i

3:56:21

knew i hadn't seen nothing yet you know what i mean like i just knew in the pit of my stomach this whole decade was

3:56:27

going to be um trials and tribulations but but jesus said you know

3:56:35

take heart because you know in this world you will have tribulations but

3:56:42

i've overcome the world and uh so yeah you know

3:56:49

that gave me strength it gives me strength and and you know bitcoin is very aligned with god in the

3:56:55

sense that god gives the individual divine providence [Music] it's

3:57:01

satan really is the collective consuming the individual consuming the family the

3:57:06

you know that when i connected that that um the worst you know the biggest boon the biggest

3:57:12

harvest for say in his collective sin compounding sin right then of course what biggest heart

3:57:19

what bigger harvest you know you look at this great reset and to a certain degree these high-tech

3:57:25

governance systems they scream revelations because inescapable biometrics yeah so an id that you can't

3:57:32

escape from and you can't you can't conduct trade you can't buy or sell without it you get ejected from society

3:57:40

algorithmically automatically it's not even by a human at that point um

3:57:46

you know so of course so of course collectivism is is the ultimate

3:57:52

strategy of if you're if your aim is to capture the human spirit

3:57:57

and so i realized you know there is no left and right there's no conservative progressive there's only um

3:58:04

there's only uh collectivism like collectivist pathology versus the justice of the individual the

3:58:11

protection of the preservation of the individual because we're never going to eliminate the we're never going to

3:58:17

eliminate the the the limitations of of our own existence we're never

3:58:23

going to eliminate the tragedy of being in fact what we're supposed to do is grow mature enough that we can

3:58:29

appreciate the tragedy of being that we could appreciate that it's there for a reason um and not try and overcome it

3:58:37

at the expense of free will

3:58:42

which is always the cost right so the idea the idea is that i hear so much my

3:58:49

favorite theme about christianity is the one of redemption the notion that you know evil can enter the world

3:58:56

and uh you know god through the petition with human participation can take that evil

3:59:02

and turn it to a greater good than it would have otherwise existed um and we see this you know we see this

3:59:08

in the fall right so like evil enters the world through sin adam and eve eat the apple we fall and then

3:59:15

jesus christ comes to redeem humanity through his death and resurrection and that

3:59:21

that is a more beautiful story than if evil had never entered the world at all

3:59:27

that it's a more glorious story than if like oh we had just stayed in the garden and everything and everything was cool

3:59:33

and that requires to believe that that's how the universe works and i can see redemption showing up in my life a

3:59:40

thousand different ways and i'm sure that you can see it as well so many mistakes that i've made in my life that my god how did that get turned to the

3:59:46

good that's in some sense the core story of my life but that requires a degree of faith that there is an or there is a the

3:59:52

universe has been ordered has been divinely ordained in a specific way that redemption is real that the possibility

3:59:58

is woven into the fabric of existence like you can't look at redemption you can't measure it

4:00:04

but it is there for those who choose to look but that requires believing in a god that implies that implies believing

4:00:11

that that was woven into reality because there's no reason why redemption should otherwise exist and so to to to grant that

4:00:18

to grant that that's a possibility to grant that redemption is real requires faith it requires surrender of

4:00:26

the self it requires surrender of the mind to comprehend it because redemption doesn't come through predicted channels

4:00:32

you can't run the math on redemption you just participate in the process day by day and then suddenly you're on the

4:00:39

other side of it and you know like like for example cancer patients you know who who go into remission they they usually

4:00:46

say the same thing which is like i would never wish it on anybody but i'm glad it happened and that's redemption that's

4:00:52

this idea that i went through this terrible thing that no one should have to go through but i'm i'm better for it but that requires faith and for some

4:00:59

people they just can't get there they're they're unable to get there they're unable to surrender to that

4:01:04

reality so rather than trusting in the existence of some cosmic justice they need to bring justice down to the earth

4:01:11

right now and the only way that you can bring justice down to the earth right now is with an iron fist and a boot that

4:01:18

sacrifices human free will because you know that's where people's choices

4:01:24

create suffering and if you don't believe that suffering has meaning you seek to eliminate it and if you're going to eliminate suffering you have to if

4:01:30

you're going to eliminate suffering you have to eliminate human free will and that's the theological argument that stands the anti-theological argument

4:01:36

that stands in in contrast to the the very message of jesus christ which is like this horrible event you know the

4:01:43

the story is that this is a man who was the most perfect man who existed of all time kind generous loving wise fierce

4:01:50

strong and he died a death of such catastrophic suffering that we can't even imagine it and that that was the

4:01:56

man who died but something beautiful came through that and i find so much beauty and peace and that to know that

4:02:02

the suffering that we're going through that we go through individually and that we're going through collectively you know as we almost started out saying

4:02:09

can birth something so much better but you can only get there with faith you can't get there rationally you can only

4:02:16

get there with faith if if god wanted to raise up if everything was

4:02:21

downstream of creation including fate and hell

4:02:27

including suffering and and the aim was to raise up a people

4:02:33

raise up a people that understood you and you inherently you hated you know you

4:02:38

were you were good you were the essence of good you were i mean how would you teach good

4:02:44

how how would how would you raise up a people that knew good and you know lucifer didn't work he didn't

4:02:49

he didn't know evil enough he became it he was secular and he didn't understand the cost of

4:02:55

no therefore he couldn't value good and and and so

4:03:01

this world is a fallen world that has inherent limitations like we we

4:03:08

live we die there's entropy it's hard it's it's a harsh

4:03:14

uh there's lots of constraints that make suffering just unavoidable no matter what

4:03:20

but then there's all this suffering and tragedy that extends from our own sins

4:03:27

what better way to raise up a people than to allow them or what other way is

4:03:32

even a better question than to allow them to experience that which you hate so that you could ultimately understand

4:03:39

that which you value you have to contract it so it's all a gift

4:03:44

um even genocide and that's the crazy thing is that

4:03:49

all the terrible atrocities that we commit that's not god's creation in that

4:03:54

sense god gave us free will knowing the cost that's how much he loved us because it would let him raise

4:04:00

up a people that understood it that got it it connected those dots and

4:04:05

so like the phases as a christian you kind of you know when you're you're adolescent you you're you're

4:04:11

angry at god for creating you life's not fair it's not fair you're being forced into the world you see all these evil

4:04:17

things why would he allow that um and and then you kind of as you take up responsibility in instead of making you

4:04:24

know wrapping the world in bubble wrap you make yourself tougher right you accept that uh

4:04:30

the be the you accept the tragedy of being you accept suffering but by by raising

4:04:36

yourself up building yourself up you can tolerate it endure it and still create these moments of good where you can

4:04:42

participate in good and see it see the value of it and then despite how easy it would be to

4:04:48

be a schmuck and live a lowly life and just choose selfish

4:04:53

no responsibility choose evil because again all the people participating in vaccine imperialism

4:04:59

they're not doing explicit individual evils they're participating in compounding and that's creating the

4:05:05

worst type of atrocity that our species can produce so so it takes a lot of

4:05:12

constitution of self to because you're bearing liability when you say no to that

4:05:18

right so you really understand something about the cost of sin when you fight for freedom when you fight for individuals

4:05:26

when you say you put yourself in the line and say no the power of no

4:05:31

and and that's why you know jordan peterson talks about like the wisdom of the old christian

4:05:38

stories you know that's where the west is born it's like we're losing that wisdom and we're and we're we're devolving into

4:05:45

this collective pathology and a lot of people think you know this is end of time stuff and

4:05:51

and you know i i'm hesitant to say this is end of times and the reason is is that i think every

4:05:58

era if you're christian it always looks like end of times to you like

4:06:03

like it always you can always create the story of look uh this is end of times and

4:06:09

and i i wouldn't i wouldn't presume to say it is i i would say i absolutely

4:06:14

think there's merit to those drawing parallels and but i would also say there's a lot

4:06:20

of signals that suggest that the human story is not over

4:06:26

and i think something like a bitcoin which completely inverts society it completely inverts it

4:06:33

i think something like that is a very strong signal that suggests that there's another era

4:06:39

that we're that we're on the cusp of and that's something to celebrate and be excited about because it means that um

4:06:47

you know as a species you know we're this this problem-solving function that's reaching

4:06:53

out for something i mean i hope we're we're stumbling towards the kingdom of god right like hope maybe that's the

4:06:58

purpose of the function and and so we're making all these mistakes and the idea is is that how far can we reach out

4:07:05

without destroying ourselves right how far can we reach out and how much

4:07:11

can we learn about the cost of sin how much sin can we endure how much good can we access

4:07:18

that's the human function and i don't think we're done and that's why i don't think there's a

4:07:23

you know i don't think we go from nine billion to one billion people overnight um

4:07:29

would god find it acceptable if we went to nine billion to one billion overnight or in 100 years i think

4:07:35

probably probably it's it's it's the tragedy is is an acceptable cost to raising up a

4:07:42

people and it's a cost that we are that's flowing from us it's not flowing from

4:07:48

him yeah right it's a tragedy of man not a tragedy of god god gave created man so

4:07:54

that we could figure that out we could figure out the value of god and so um

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you know this is why i can't help but connect bitcoin to

4:08:05

divine providence because something that lets

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the the pathological collective of all the governments and all the weapons in

4:08:16

the world that lets you and your little family say no and protect your time and

4:08:21

protect your future what is that and it's coming in at this exact time

4:08:27

that time when we might enslave the species and and turn us into lab rat

4:08:32

what is that right how is that not yep yep right yeah the the solving the solve

4:08:39

the byzantine generals problem the solving of this intractable problem the anonymity of satoshi all these things

4:08:45

they all have this they all have this character that it's like it's hard not to look at it and and see something see

4:08:51

a little wink behind it or a twinkle on it or something and i resist i resist that notion i don't know why but i i

4:08:58

still feel like oh no they can't be it but like why can't it you know like like these things they don't happen because

4:09:04

of god but god allows them and so he said god lifted his finger like god didn't you know god didn't necessarily

4:09:10

write it he'll but he allowed it to come into existence when it could have come in sooner or it could have come in some other form but it came in through this

4:09:16

form right when we needed it how can that not be some form of providence at minimum

4:09:22

it's um everybody certainly knew it i struggled with like if we have free

4:09:28

will how does he know how does the book of lambs exist how how does he know um who who goes who ultimately ends up and

4:09:37

you know around him in heaven and not and my my father said my dad said it really said um

4:09:43

uh uh it's he's not on the same uh uh time scale as us so you do we have

4:09:51

free will and he does know and i went oh right

4:09:56

he knows what your free will will be it doesn't mean you don't have it

4:10:02

so he couldn't know you know god would know that bitcoin was going to happen and it plays out perfectly

4:10:08

um the way that this human story is playing out and and

4:10:14

you know when the base primitive that the entire world is built on

4:10:20

inverts the power structure away from monopolizing force and money and

4:10:26

towards you know you essentially lift families to the top of society you

4:10:32

become a a world of government and that is replaced by a world of families and and all the problems that

4:10:40

central bankers are hysterical about um are actually solved by bitcoin like

4:10:46

this this overpopulation where um the only answer is that we have population control it's like no

4:10:55

you need to reintroduce constraint in terms of finite money because if you cannot support an unlimited

4:11:03

um a nanny state if the only like if you as a man

4:11:08

you had a career and you made a judgment call based on your your bitcoin how much you can afford

4:11:15

you might decide i'm not gonna have a family i can't afford one right and much

4:11:20

of the world will not be able to afford a family and that would be a judgment call bit and

4:11:26

that would basically surface the most productive people it's it's a it's not equitable it's a

4:11:32

fair distribution of because you know if you can't afford it you can't afford it and then your suffering

4:11:39

goes through the roof right because now you're contending with the reality of your of your irresponsible decisions as

4:11:47

opposed to them being moved over by a nanny state right oh your students are forgiven because we're using you in

4:11:54

order to centralize all the wealth in the world [Music]

4:12:00

in uh in the case of if there's like over pollution right when it's families

4:12:07

uh fiscal actions when you're when your financial actions are are a bigger vote

4:12:13

than actual voting where voting has been de-emphasized because how bitcoin spend

4:12:18

supersedes that because that's what drives the world then consumers reward and penalize which companies

4:12:26

should exist so if if if pollution is an issue consumers penalize them and reward the

4:12:33

non-polluters that creates alpha for entrepreneurs so as an entrepreneur you get that signal in the market and you go

4:12:40

oh man let's create a company that that's clean and then you know and does x y and z

4:12:47

compared to the current system where if you are cozied up to the state you get bailed out the consumer doesn't have a

4:12:53

vote that's right it's the socialism of the rich where as long as you're close to the money

4:12:58

printer so it's it's that concentration of power is what gives you continuity as

4:13:05

opposed to consumer preferences and of course consumers want a clean unpolluted world

4:13:10

right right um if if you know if we're so soft as a

4:13:16

people that we can't tolerate the flu and that kills off a million people a

4:13:21

year because our immune systems are completely destroyed by factory food

4:13:28

hidden estrogens um systemic inflammation from vegetable oil right like if you know none of us are in the

4:13:35

sun and we all think it's like skin cancer we're putting on these these products that that cause you know

4:13:40

sunscreens and and um all these hormone disruptors so our health is to such a degree

4:13:46

that um when a flu comes around it really is a panda like it really is a fear event

4:13:52

that's that's planetary because you know we're in such a terrible space

4:13:57

and that's because they've had to hollow out food to offset money printing

4:14:02

because if all the wealth being concentrated then companies have no choice but to

4:14:08

figure out how to make the the food cheaper so that it doesn't so that it still has a market

4:14:14

right right but if right so then they're hollowing out food figuring out methods how to

4:14:19

strip mine the earth they're you know you're doing this mono cropping and trying to maximize yield but you're just

4:14:25

stealing from the future because you're destroying the top soil you're destroying the the the genetic

4:14:30

makeup of these important species that we rely on so that's all from money printing if you put hard money bitcoin

4:14:37

in families uh uh you swap out you know you reprogram the world in bitcoin

4:14:43

people are now thinking of their family on the order of centuries you're thinking of health you're

4:14:48

thinking of preserving your assets preserving the earth regenerating the earth right because you know

4:14:54

um you you know you don't have to make food cheaper you and people are going to vote in terms of quality

4:15:00

no longer quantity right because they're going to say i want prime rib and i want it from cows that

4:15:08

are that are farmed in the regenerative fashion so that my son have access to highly fertile soil so that they can do

4:15:15

the same thing and you actually have the financial stability and family

4:15:20

constitution that you could make these decisions and vote in that way instead of being on the the rat race you're on

4:15:27

the hamster wheel just hoping that you have enough fiat to retire and seeing that disappear so you're so

4:15:33

obsessed with that you have no chance to actually look at the food

4:15:39

um so in in every store you know if if the monetary system truly is racist and

4:15:46

that's intolerable it's not create this this global communism where everybody's you know a

4:15:52

comrade that's not the way to make things fair for everyone the best thing is to make a money that

4:15:58

can't be censored so that no one despite their their their race or creed or religion or color or gender can be

4:16:05

denied the ability to store indefinitely their time and spend it without anyone

4:16:12

stopping them that is the way that you solve this global discrimination issue

4:16:18

if it really is so all of these malthusian fear spells the thing the reason that you know that

4:16:23

their deception is that um bitcoin solves every one of them but it means that they have to give up planetary

4:16:30

usury and they won't yep yep that's what i that's what i always say like if black lives matter was

4:16:35

really serious about ending slavery like why don't they protest outside the fed like you know you have no idea the

4:16:41

nature of the problem that you're talking about or you're you're you know trained marxists so that's why you're not actually going to the source of the

4:16:47

problem yeah i want i want to get bitcoin into the the hands of black lives matter in

4:16:53

the hands of black families who realize that like dude they've been keeping the money for us they've been keeping us in

4:16:59

this welfare system we can be entrepreneurs work we can do that we can build businesses in our communities we

4:17:06

can raise each other up and we can we can attract unstoppable wealth and create you know we can we can dig our

4:17:12

way out of this through unstoppable money um but instead you know we've same thing

4:17:17

like with soviet uh the soviet union we've convinced them that it's actually um

4:17:22

a you know it's this parasitical capitalist system that's keeping them

4:17:28

down it has nothing to do with money that you can't hold in your hand for five seconds before it disintegrates

4:17:34

[Music] um and then you know you look at you know i was talking about genocide you look at um what what is the shape of

4:17:40

this uh covet thing right the vax versus the unvex you have all these people who

4:17:47

who you know got on the the uh the vaccine train

4:17:53

i uh i call it that the adjuvant express that's great um

4:18:00

and uh and so you know of course and it's been hugely emasculating to every

4:18:05

man right everyone with a family or wife you've had your manhood stolen from you

4:18:10

because they made you capitulate in fear you folded now you've given the state the wheel

4:18:16

right of your all your affairs internally in your family and without so you're no longer the man

4:18:22

and um and now of course you're embarrassed and

4:18:27

pissed off you're pissed off and anything they tell you about why you're a victim

4:18:32

oh i see there's this other part of the country that's not going along with it so now i can never

4:18:38

escape it of course you see people on videos losing their [ __ ] mind

4:18:45

right because it they you know it's the same thing like the germans and the russians is at some point they're gonna

4:18:51

say whatever we need to do to break these chains let's go final solutions sign me up let's get rid of these people

4:18:58

and and you know that's how these things happen and and i don't you know in a weird way like

4:19:04

it didn't take many of us on twitter talking about the great reset for long to spread that signal enough where um

4:19:12

people are kind of connecting the dots and you know with omicron like it seemed

4:19:17

like it kind of fell apart you know like it's not quite strong enough to keep the fear going so they have a problem like

4:19:24

from okay from the statesman's point of view they have a real problem right because they need

4:19:29

us on house arrest essentially right they need they need control of the population

4:19:35

that's a good way to put it and they need us not communicating uh clearly this decade and so if if covid kind of

4:19:41

falls up that hysteria loop falls apart they really do have to replace it and so like

4:19:47

i'm torn right because uh you know a part of me is like a good riddance i'm

4:19:52

i'm so done with the povid thing and in the vaccine imperialism uh it terrifies me in in the mrna duplex

4:20:00

and this transhumanism industry um but at the same time it doesn't seem like you know they're below

4:20:06

right now they're below the threshold of hysteria required so that's a you know me that's like red light blinking

4:20:13

because that means they have to do something yeah i don't know what it is is it is it a new designer

4:20:19

virus is it um is it pivot to um uh uh you know

4:20:25

you know nato falls flagging itself in ukraine and starting a a a war with russia is it

4:20:33

hot you know that is it a cyber war that they say okay now we're in a cyber war with russia so now let's get a move on with

4:20:40

internet passports right because we kind of have stood up the movement passports let's get internet passport half stood

4:20:46

up i see the irs saying that you need digital identity now so you're going to scan your face when you pay your taxes

4:20:51

right so you see they fed saying that um cbdc's are on the horizon so you see the pieces

4:20:57

coming in um this decade they're gonna have to get each one each pillar stood up and

4:21:04

you know what scares me the most is if they don't succeed i think in their back pocket is old

4:21:10

faithful i think it is hot war yeah um and so part of me

4:21:15

i think the most probable thing is the great reset succeeds they actually succeed in standing up this social

4:21:21

scoring system but they lose a good deal of brilliant capitalists who opt out and go to

4:21:28

onwards to create a bitcoin renaissance in a parallel system that actually acts

4:21:35

as a brain drain and unwinds um this this this

4:21:41

high-tech communism and the reason i think that is that um well history has shown these communist

4:21:49

deployments they can't insulate themselves from the world economy and because communism is two-tiered you have

4:21:55

a surf gear but then you actually have above it a capitalist tier right you know

4:22:01

they would actually play into bitcoin's game theory because they have extremely strong incentives to

4:22:07

protect their wealth for almost no cost um

4:22:12

like you said like the the resist you know the the allure of the of the of the

4:22:17

people the moneyed people to say oh why don't i hold a little because like i don't want to bet everything on this

4:22:23

this partnership with the government right i want to guarantee i can hand this to my great great grandchildren and know it'll be worth this and more

4:22:30

um so that game theory it's it basically it makes it where even if they deployed

4:22:36

these mega cities with this high-tech communism um they themself and their own materials

4:22:42

in the great reset material they know that they end up with defectors that that leave

4:22:48

the system so i think the way it plays out is the great reset like they get it off the ground this

4:22:54

decade a lot of us have left and gone to um little sovereign cities like el

4:23:00

salvador's launching um their volcano bitcoin city um i think you're going to end up with a

4:23:05

bunch of those in latinam i think you'll get a handful in the west um and i think a lot of the best

4:23:12

capitalists the most productive you know get excited and it creates this flourishing feedback and i think that

4:23:18

just it's a brain drain and i think it eventually attracts the the the upper caste of this communist

4:23:25

potential banking system and and i think it ultimately collapses or at least unwinds that system

4:23:33

um if there's a population control bit um i think it would be them

4:23:40

tuning like dialing down their own surf class and i think the people that opt out are

4:23:46

gonna opt out of vaccines opt out of uh factory food and basically

4:23:51

start over on first principles um and keep keep the good stuff keep the

4:23:57

the the hard the hard tech um

4:24:02

like that that's my my base thesis which is to say you know it's not bitcoin doesn't win

4:24:07

um this decade i think it it wins in the end and i think it's up to every family

4:24:13

to choose like are you led into that great reset system or do you say no we've had enough

4:24:21

i'm gonna defend my time i'm going to defend my family i'm going to defend my kids from government schools and

4:24:27

injections and i'm going to go in another direction and i'll find my people and there will be flourishing and

4:24:32

that'll that'll grow itself and i think you get the bitcoin renaissance i think the uh

4:24:38

you know the great reset doesn't need our help to fail right like what i'm trying to do is help

4:24:44

people get out of the blast radius you know that the the fiat era this agenda

4:24:50

is dumb and destined to fail so you might as well start kicking ass in the bitcoin air hmm

4:24:56

amen amen because i mean this raises the question of like where does the hard power come from and

4:25:02

i don't think there's enough hard power to stop those of us who want to leave from leaving i just it's just not there

4:25:07

it's just not there like what are you gonna like if you can't exert control over a man with his mind or his heart

4:25:13

which is why why men like us are talking as our minds have been freed our hearts

4:25:19

have been freed and we're freeing our bodies as well from soy and and all of that and vaccines and medicines and all

4:25:27

that if you've if you've liberated and even you're free in spirit as well which

4:25:32

um which i think is a big part of the christian revival as well the last thing that you need really to be free is is

4:25:39

your money is you need to be able to take it with you when you leave and if you're going to do that if you're free and all those and all of those

4:25:45

dimensions there's not enough hard power to stop there's not a hard power to stop it

4:25:51

you know i i think there's nothing more masculine than god there's nothing more masculine than creation

4:25:58

i i think that the responsibility of being a man it requires

4:26:04

it requires the ability to provide protect provide

4:26:11

for your family protect your wealth um you know bitcoin really is god's

4:26:16

money in my mind it just and it it imbues every single person on earth with

4:26:22

um with the ability to save the ability to participate in a brand new

4:26:28

um global economy that can't be controlled by governments and camp

4:26:34

and it fundamentally thwarts this communist um hellscape that they're trying to land to launch

4:26:41

yes and it's honest and it's honest you know you've got the you've got this

4:26:47

worldwide ledger that says who's got what everywhere and you can't rewrite it and you can't fake it ever mean you

4:26:52

don't necessarily know what everyone has but you know that these transactions are honest and open and the clear and that's

4:26:57

that i think is especially powerful it mirrors nature in the sense that it's honest and it's it's it's harsh like

4:27:05

nature is harsh in the sense that um there really are winners and losers it really depends on what you you know

4:27:13

you are no longer there's there's nothing between you and your responsibility to

4:27:19

provide as a man in a bitcoin system you have a responsibility to plan and think

4:27:25

about your family think about your family name on the order of centuries um think about skills um there's no nanny

4:27:32

state in a bitcoin era that can that can float you and and that really you can't get closer

4:27:39

to god's intention than essentially having no insulation against nature

4:27:46

other than your own sweat and your own effort

4:27:51

to not only build yourself up build your family up but to build your community up to

4:27:57

collaborate and and and not take for granted that everything that you

4:28:02

enjoy it's not just coming from money printing in some magical

4:28:07

you know power of the government right you you understand that wealth can be

4:28:13

you know by default we're we're all poor right

4:28:18

capitalism is just a a a monetary word for when we when we help

4:28:24

each other we create wealth right when we come together and we solve each

4:28:30

other's problems wealth is created and so yes some people get wealthier have more

4:28:37

means and they also have theologically speaking a lot more responsibility they deploy them

4:28:43

at the same time the more people that participate the bigger the pie and the bigger everyone's

4:28:50

pieces are in terms of what they can access goods and services

4:28:57

so money is you know there's a reason they say money is evil it's because you know it corrupts right the more you have

4:29:04

the um the more likely you are to be derelict and your responsibility of what money is money is stored

4:29:10

time other people's time i mean that's what it really it gives you access to other people's time so you trade your

4:29:16

your effort you store that in something that lets you access everyone else's effort the more you have of that of

4:29:22

course from from god's point of view it's like listen you have a huge responsibility to do good

4:29:28

right and that's why in the bible they say like you know you know it's better just to give it away um and

4:29:35

do charity with it because very few can actually manage the responsibility of commanding so much time of others

4:29:42

right it doesn't mean money is necessarily evil it just means if you command the

4:29:47

time of others you have a huge theological responsibility to do good in the world

4:29:52

and this gets to one of the points that i was thinking like it's really important like bitcoin may be from god

4:29:58

but it's important not to make bitcoin into god that you know this amazing responsibility of freedom that we've

4:30:04

been granted with bitcoin comes with an an equally enormous amount of responsibility to deploy it in a way

4:30:11

better than we've done with the fiat system that if there are those that have more that they haven't they have an

4:30:17

equal because there's no nanny state to manage their use of those resources that they have an internal moral

4:30:23

responsibility to care for their community in a way that maybe they didn't feel with the nanny state that

4:30:28

was taking their taxes and redistributing it to communities of lesser of lesser needs like no we're not going to have that anymore it's going to

4:30:35

be on you to to to choose a higher morality and to live in alignment with that higher morality because you know it

4:30:41

comes from god because you've been given this gift this gift of monetary freedom so what are you going to do with it

4:30:47

yeah charity makes a comeback because yeah you nailed it because instead of assuming it's kind of handled

4:30:53

because the society we've erected allows for and you know people genuinely in

4:30:59

need and free loafers alike to to sort of access your your effort through the

4:31:04

state that goes away and in in a way you know they you know they say jesus brings the

4:31:09

sword i mean so so okay a little intervention means that man can no longer control money and that's great

4:31:16

because it means the human story can continue and the you know everyone gets their hero's

4:31:22

journey and gets to find out uh the the tragedy of life and build themselves up and get experience you know uh bits of

4:31:30

good that make it all worthwhile but at the same time man no longer controls money right so

4:31:36

you gotta think about that hasn't that has another side to it which is the the wealth distribution inherent in

4:31:43

the state um for all the evil it provides um there's some utility in it

4:31:48

and and and we will be in a bitcoin era much closer to the reality of nature and

4:31:54

that's gonna that's gonna have it's gonna create an opposite-shaped society i should say in opposite shape it'll

4:32:01

probably cloak be closer to like a a high-tech geeky feudalism

4:32:07

where you essentially have um a sort of

4:32:12

wealthy well-known families that conduct industry own

4:32:18

technology own robotics and this and that and then you'll have a people that

4:32:24

aggregate around those families and that'll probably happen

4:32:29

in these in the renaissance in these city-states right like it's it's honestly it's not

4:32:36

so different than um you have to follow rome you had the

4:32:41

dark ages you had the renaissance you know we kind of had this um era of

4:32:46

of peak government um this fiat era kind of like the dumb ages and then we'll go into the bitcoin

4:32:53

renaissance and and even though you're you're relieved of the worst parts of the dummy of the you know era of the

4:33:00

state in the dumb ages it inverts it inverts the structure so like okay you're relieved you have

4:33:06

wealth but now how are all the goods and services going to exist on earth and now you have a new strategy of how do you

4:33:13

build a society on this unconfiscated unstoppable money right so it's it's

4:33:19

you know you shouldn't um idolize bitcoin in the sense that it's not going to solve every

4:33:26

problem it's going to invert the like the problem sphere right and and

4:33:31

that's very good because we don't want the human spirit to be captured just yet like ideally this experiment kept going

4:33:37

and you know you get to experience the joy of children in the future right like that's really good but um we shouldn't

4:33:44

uh we shouldn't underthink it it we should recognize that

4:33:50

well well um you should hypothesize through what are the opposite shape problems of of not being able to print money

4:33:57

because you know um society doesn't tolerate a 90 tax rate society will topple the

4:34:03

government that taxes at 90 for too long so um you know

4:34:09

that's what happened to rome rome gradually increased debasement and and taxation and when they couldn't

4:34:16

when they basically lost control of their monetary health um they had like a 500

4:34:22

year fall right and it wasn't until it wasn't until

4:34:27

centuries that the renaissance happened right so that that's no picnic right and and

4:34:33

i think technology speeds everything up by you know so it could be that back then it took you know 550 years to get

4:34:40

to the renaissance and maybe now it'll take 30. right because um technology has this exponential effect

4:34:47

on progress um but i i think that

4:34:53

tribulation really is the right word for this decade and the coming decades but um

4:34:58

you know take heart uh because uh he has overcome the world and and um i

4:35:05

think we're just living through that story so from my point of view it's like

4:35:11

i'm i'm optimistic i'm psyched i feel so grateful to be alive it's it's there's never been a

4:35:17

more interesting time to be alive we're all on twitter and doing cats for just you know like you know it's like the

4:35:24

first world war from our couches you get to talk about it every day um it's really

4:35:29

unique and um don't get wrapped up in your own misery in your own victimhood like this is

4:35:37

creating you this is what's making you the type of strong man that can actually leave this soft era behind and you

4:35:44

should be grateful for that because what were you before all this all these trials what were you before you were

4:35:50

tested and tried and pushed to your limit amazing i agree

4:35:57

a thousand percent that past the the black pills and the fear spells and the and the victimhood and and the tension

4:36:04

there is an enormous opportunity that we're all living through to to create ourselves to be created to be

4:36:10

shaped into a more righteous upright masculine kind of direction and that's the real blessing

4:36:16

of this age that we that we get to live through and it's vital to keep that perspective and i love how you said that these next

4:36:23

10 years could determine the shape of the future thousands like that's some profound that's some profound [ __ ] if

4:36:28

you're part of my language god bless well this was a it was a dream and and i hope this is valuable for your

4:36:34

listeners oh man you know i've gotten so much value out of it i think uh

4:36:41

i think all the men listening will as well may i ask you one more question yeah let's close on this one okay

4:36:47

perfect what was it so you grew up christian in a christian household and you left the

4:36:52

faith and you pursued a secular um a secular materialist atheist path

4:36:58

what was it like coming back to faith and speaking to your father about that

4:37:05

um so i was you know i was in a family that uh

4:37:11

had a divorce so i was in a split family and so i had extra um

4:37:16

i had a struggle and a challenge with um like like

4:37:22

fundamentally like an insecurity itself because i had like motherly abandonment issues and then

4:37:28

um on my father's side like i didn't get the kind of and i think a lot of men are like this

4:37:35

like you don't get the the the principles and responsibility specifically of masculinity passed on to

4:37:42

you um and so you know you're you're feminized in culture and

4:37:49

um and so i you know i i kind of came into the world was like um

4:37:55

without without frame masculine frame and um victim to

4:38:01

the the kind of this this feminine frame of authority um i i was very um like rebellious

4:38:08

against uh like my stepmom and and rebel you know just a rebellious person in general and so i was like this punk rock

4:38:15

um you know i i did drugs and i partied and but i was always smart like i always

4:38:20

did my my homework and my projects on the on like the school bus the day of and i

4:38:26

did really well in school and i graduated high school early and um

4:38:32

but dropped out of college the first year to start a tech company with my uh

4:38:37

best friend who i grew up with and and you know we always had this you know f the world attitude and but we worked

4:38:44

hard and played hard and so you know i just kind of discarded because you know i was surrounded in sinners and and

4:38:52

they did a very bad job of selling faith to me and so i just assumed you know like oh you know this isn't the

4:38:59

way right there's a new way there's a secular way there's a there's a way based on progress and and and

4:39:06

modernity and liberalism and i just you know that was really alluring to me

4:39:12

um the the the values of progressivism and and this is back when it was more just

4:39:17

like liberalism it was a lot more centrist and it didn't have the marxist slant to it and the communist plan to it

4:39:23

that's pretty new um uh and so you know it's

4:39:30

i always just like cut my parents off and say like you know don't talk to me about faith or god i don't want to hear this [ __ ] and

4:39:36

um eventually they learned to respect it and and they were surprised when i kind of came

4:39:41

back uh recently and and to hear that i had found faith and wanted to know the story and and it was really different

4:39:48

than what they described because they were just you know culturally religious right their parents taught them and so they just carried on

4:39:55

culturally and i think that actually explains um a lot because if you if you subscribe to

4:40:02

like the fourth turning uh macro thesis it would say you have a an era of like

4:40:08

weak man that create hard times and that eventually you get an error of hard men and it would make sense that

4:40:15

like the weak men would would would understand the how but forget the why

4:40:20

and because they forgot the why they wouldn't be able to pass along the the value proposition

4:40:26

of the church or the faith whatever you name it across society and then you get a a

4:40:32

a couple generations of disenfranchised youth that uh make a huge mess of society because they don't know anything because

4:40:39

the knowledge has been lost um and then finally you have people that that come up and they have to learn the

4:40:45

hard way by bearing the cost and re putting back together the truth and so um

4:40:50

i was able to make sense of it through that that it wasn't that they were particularly bad

4:40:57

it was that there was a larger societal thing that that money printing has disenfranchised um the family is

4:41:05

has eliminated so many responsibilities that and and hardships that people have

4:41:10

become disconnected with the why behind faith and and so they they wouldn't know what to

4:41:16

pass on to me and and they didn't and and so so inherently it wasn't sticky i didn't

4:41:22

have any stickiness and it was more sticky to me to go out around people who are producing companies and working on

4:41:28

problems that was sticky to me science like in the old days when it was the scientific method and about making

4:41:34

discoveries like that was sticky to me i you know i thought that was so awesome and um

4:41:41

of course you know i told the story how when it all fell apart i re then i got the why i finally got the answer the why

4:41:48

and um i brought that home and when i told the story they were they it it's hard to describe it other than i don't

4:41:55

think they could relate um i don't think that they could relate and so maybe that's a gift of our

4:42:01

generation is that we're experiencing the cost in a very special and personal way because it's our future

4:42:07

it's our future that's that's being um put on the line and and

4:42:12

and in us is is the future of mankind right you know people in their 30s and

4:42:17

20s and in late teens and um and the children coming up and so we feel that pain you see these these kids

4:42:25

like being forced to you know babies being given vaccines and stuff and and so

4:42:30

um i felt the cost so personally that even when i communicated the story it's

4:42:37

like you know they're retired and kind of had an easy way of it compare comparatively

4:42:42

and uh so you know i don't think they're really related but i think that you know of course any christian parents are going

4:42:49

to be happy their kid found god so i think they're they're psyched and and um

4:42:56

yeah in a way it's like i don't feel bad for them but i really made me realize how lucky we are to have

4:43:05

the why have it be so tangible it's so potent that i could i'm gonna

4:43:12

carry that the rest of my life and i'll be able to communicate that clearly to my kids so that i'm not just saying this

4:43:18

is what we do this is how we live i can teach them from the point of view of look at what we're capable of

4:43:25

and that's why you know teach them the cost of

4:43:31

turning away from god and teach them and and through that you can teach the value of turning towards god

4:43:38

um and i think i i think we just we lost touch with that and and so

4:43:46

history won't repeat itself we'll repeat it we

4:43:51

every once in a while teach ourselves to remember god i guess is is what it is

4:43:57

and so i'm you know there's going to be a generational thing where there's a rhythm where where

4:44:03

certain generations aren't going to see what you see and uh

4:44:08

that that's how i experienced it but yeah i mean they're thrilled and psyched christian son especially because like i

4:44:15

was i was rebellious and flaunting so i was listening to death metal and you know and i had you know all this

4:44:21

like satanist fashion and stuff that it was um it was

4:44:26

not because it was satan worship because it was fashionable and part of the culture of secular

4:44:32

metal and and you know in the same way that um um you know when the the central banks

4:44:38

have their luciferian balls i don't think they're doing that out of a genuine um praise of satan i actually

4:44:46

think it's fashionable i think it's i think the peak secular representation that you see these these

4:44:54

music artists and stuff now they're all doing this this satan worship stuff i don't not not not any one of them

4:45:00

believes in god right so it is secular um

4:45:05

but i hope that paid the picture they're stoked but i don't they you know

4:45:10

in a weird way i was gifted i think we our generation is gifted with a why that

4:45:16

they're not going to be able to fundamentally get as close to [Music]

4:45:22

no it does that's a that's a that's a more beautiful answer than the one that i expected because it contains a lot of

4:45:28

truth particularly about us as men in this particular moment where we're coming from and where we're going to so

4:45:35

once again the truth is always better than any expected story

4:45:40

well i honor you for your journey that's made you the man that you are

4:45:46

that's led us to cross path across paths with each other and i'm just wondering where can men go to

4:45:52

find out more about you and what you do that hasn't already been covered

4:45:58

so i'm on twitter.com at laserhottle um

4:46:03

i've been doing a lot of podcasts uh you'll see on my twitter profile that i have a pinned

4:46:09

tweet a master thread so you can see all the pods i've done

4:46:15

um i i i've been sharing my bookshelf because folks really want to know how to be the world the way that i do so i've

4:46:22

been sharing book recommendations and movie recommendations um

4:46:27

a big thing i do is is research like science fiction's the dystopic visions

4:46:33

of of these kind of dystopic uh governments in the future and so i

4:46:38

i've watched a lot of those to kind of make sense of those are all rooted in in global

4:46:44

governance and so um it's really important to kind of absorb some of that and so i've been

4:46:49

sharing movie recommendations for your your movie night and um i i'm putting out a website soon for

4:46:57

long form writing i think i'll switch in february to to long form so i can start

4:47:03

detailing this thesis in in a more cogent and coherent way um

4:47:09

but i have probably 100 hours of podcast at this point that that all have different bits of gold so if you want to

4:47:15

go on the laser huddle um journey find me on twitter.com at laserhub

4:47:23

well thank you so much laser huddle this has been amazing this has been a dream for me too talking about all the things

4:47:29

that i love and listening and learning so much so thank you so much for this thanks will and thanks to your listeners

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