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my name is Will Spencer and you're listening to the Renaissance of men podcast here on YouTube this episode is

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audio only because my guest kept his camera off so sit back and enjoy the listen my guest this week is a prolific

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writer on X sounding the alarm about apocalyptic signs all around us in news and politics foreshadowing a false Great

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Awakening please welcome Donnie [Music]

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darkin you are the

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Renaissance why do you believe what you believe is it because someone popular told you maybe the people around you are

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into it perhaps it just seemed like a cool idea one day or maybe you heard a good argument once and thought yeah why

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not or maybe you'd never even considered the topic before and adopted the first idea that came along but now that you

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believe that thing whatever it is let me ask you something have you truly explored it I mean really have you

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invested the time to understand the streams that fed into the river of that idea have you taken apart the different

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philosophical or theological aspects of it to understand from the inside what

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makes it tick and crucially have you considered the trajectory of that idea

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understanding what happens to you your life and the lives of others as that idea travels downrange so to speak from

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you out into the world this latter approach is how I try to handle every idea that I profess publicly I don't

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generally advocate for or against things unless I feel I have at least a decent grasp of the past present and future of

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an idea and what it means for me those around me and sometimes even Society now

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as a semi-public figure a niche internet micro celebrity you might say I have a different standard that I operate under

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relative to those around me lots of people hear the things I say praise God and so I aspire to be accountable for my

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words because they're recorded they're like out there and I want to make sure that I've put my best into each and

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every one of them in case someone should someday ask hey Will what did you mean by that naturally I'm imperfect and so

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I'll do this imperfectly but this is what I aspire to at the same time I find

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that this is not how many people carry themselves they adopt ideas as a sort of fashion uncritically accepting them as

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they come in just as easily as they replace them when they go out for some things this doesn't matter very much but

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for other things it matters a whole heck of a lot one of those subjects that it matters for is eschatology or the study

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of the end of things how we believe a thing ends powerfully influences our actions towards it in the present for

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example if you knew that God forbid you would pass away tomorrow and you knew that there was nothing you could do to

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change that you'd be living your life very differently today or if you knew for sure it would be 80 years from now

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probably the same American Christendom is similarly debating between two eschatological positions premillennial

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and post-millennial the differences between them are enormous too much to get into here and at my level of

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sophistication on the topic but a defining characteristic between the two is that people who hold to a

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premillennial position generally believe that many of the signs are there today to indicate that the Fulfillment of the

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last things might be coming soon potentially within our lifetimes maybe even this decade by contrast those of

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the post-millennial position like myself see our current Global trials as a temporary but increasingly severe

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downturn on the way to a much greater Triumph and continued progress upwards at a time to be determined by God

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perhaps in our lifetimes though maybe not who's right here's a thing only God

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knows literally those who hold to the premale and the postmail position can both look at the same set of data

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including scripture and process it very differently now here's the thing in the

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space of that ambiguity if you ask me it matters less what you believe than why

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you believe it in other words have you seriously considered the philosophical and Theological foundations the present

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dimensions and the future implications of your beliefs because if you haven't you are in danger of being taken

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advantage of by those who have of being carried along on the currents of public opinion trusting others to digest

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information for you and Outsourcing your critical thinking ability to those who might not have your best interests at

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heart this isn't Coke versus Pepsi or the Chiefs versus the 49ers this is what

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you believe about the end of things the end of the world when how and why it's coming and if it's coming are of utmost

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importance to every Christian to at least consider to give it thought before taking a position because what you

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believe about the future determines how you act in the present and how you act in the present is

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literally the fabric and substance of your life which brings me to my guest this week his name is Donnie darkened

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and he's a popular and prolific Creator on Twitter or X who has a powerful eschatological position that you haven't

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heard much on this podcast before he's premil now he's not dispensational he doesn't believe in a pre-tribulation

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Rapture Left Behind style and taking that idea and its Origins apart would be a whole other disc disc but he does

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believe that the end times might be near nearer than we think and more importantly than that he thinks other

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postmail men like Pastor Doug Wilson and my pastor Jeff Durban are wrong in their perspective Now using equal weights and

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measures I can't definitively say who's right with regard to eschatology it's not my place to God will handle that so

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it matters less to me what Don believes then why he believes it and after this

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4-Hour conversation I think I understand understand exactly why he believes it and I think what Donnie has to say about

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it contains an important message for every Christian to consider because what if we on the postmill side are wrong I'm

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not saying that we are but with every position we take on the future and probably every position in general it's

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appropriate to have a healthy skepticism don't believe everything that you think as they say so if we are wrong what

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would that mean what would we do how would that change our approach to the near and not so near future and if we

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were to change our approach putting on different lenses to view the present let's say what could we learn about this

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moment that maybe we really need to pay attention to I'm being cryptic I know

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but it's vitally important to me as the host of this podcast that I not do the thinking for you when I started the show

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I determined as far as possible not to tell you what I think about the things my guests say because I believe they

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deserve an absolutely Fair hearing as Fair as I can create for them that not only honors them it honors you and I

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think this conversation honors all of us as an example of the kind more Christians need to have once you listen

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it's my hope you'll understand what I mean and thank you to Donnie darken for joining me in it in this conversation

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Donnie and I discussed Joe Rogan Russell Brand and the cosmic Christ ju versus

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Jezebel and Saul versus David men masculinity and meekness why not to fear

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what the world fears the deception of of gnosticism and truthism exalting our

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mind our body and our will and finally giving too much power to Satan if you

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guests a chance to speak I wait my turn I listen it's important to me and Donnie

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was kind enough to offer the same courtesy back to me so the format of this episode is less like an interview

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and more like a comparison of worldviews that means we both have quite a bit to share so what you're going to hear isn't

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a point-by-point rebuttal of each other's perspective rather it's more like laying it on the table and

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comparing worldviews side by side that will require patience and care consideration to what both of us are

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saying if you give us that I think you'll hear a podcast unlike any other in that you might find that both of us

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fail to address points you'd like us to some things we both let Sail by nonetheless I hope you can see the

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forest for the trees also Donnie mentions a specific sermon from my pastor Jeff Durban entitled Defiance to

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tyranny is obedience to God which was preached at apologia before I started attending I hadn't listened to it before

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this conversation but I've heard it now and I encourage everyone listening to perhaps check that out first as you form

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your viewpoint on this conversation as I was writing this introduction Pastor Doug Wilson who is also mentioned in

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this interview posted a video essay entitled a seven-fold rejoiner to Jeremy sexon which is also about

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postmillennialism from a scriptural perspective and that may help inform you a bit as to Pastor Wilson's Viewpoint as

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well you'll find both those links in the description again as much as possible I want everyone in this podcast to be able

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to speak for themselves so as Brothers and Sisters in Christ we can navigate this discussion together emphasis on

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together and now please welcome this week's guest on the podcast a brother in Christ taking Brave shots at the false

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Great Awakening Donnie darkened Donnie darkin thanks so much

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for joining me on the podcast today hey thanks for having me I've been

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really looking forward to this conversation we we chatt a little bit beforehand and you know I spent uh 20 or

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so years in the new age and I got pretty deep into some some pretty wild conspiracy topics going way way way out

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there and and I haven't found too many people that have explored as broadly and as deeply as you have and has synthesized it into a Christian

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framework and so I've been really looking forward to this conversation for many reasons but that's a big

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one so I guess so to get started um I'm actually kind of curious you know I know

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that I know that you're anonymous in one respect that I want to I'm curious how you got into some of these topics maybe whatever you'd be comfortable sharing

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about your background you know did you grow up Christian was this this was an arrival for me was it something that was

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part of your upbringing just a little bit about that if you don't mind yeah absolutely so I was actually raised

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Catholic um and it was about 15 year I was about 15 years old when I started to

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actually go down the uh truther conspiracy Rabbit Hole kind of stuff and

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you know it led me into you know rejecting the Catholic Church which you know I I see as a good thing uh but uh I

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actually ended up converting my mom actually deconverting her from Catholicism W uh at 15 years old um yeah

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so I've always been very interested in this stuff and um you know uh years

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later uh you know just for from years and years of being like a quote unquote conspiracy theorist kind of character

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and then Trump comes along and I'm like oh wow like you know this is this is this this could be this could be some

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hope this could be some hope against the new world order against the Illuminati plans and all this stuff and uh you know

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and it really wasn't until years later that I realized that my entire framing

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was based on a new age Gnostic framework uh and uh you know we can get

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into all that a bit later yeah but um but yeah uh the the new age uh is is a a

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very powerful and subtle deception because you know it it aligns so much

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with you know what the prop what a lot of Christian proponents you know believe

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about you know you know fighting for Liberty and sovereignty and uh you know

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uh love and light and all this stuff you know things that you know a lot of biblical language but things that are

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not being used in biblical ways right amen yeah and and that's really where the the discernment is required you know

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because it's you know it's it's very easy to point out you know overt Satanism you know with the inverted pentagrams and you know you know the

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blood ritual sacrifices and 666 and all this really easy to point out stuff that

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really doesn't require the Holy Spirit at all and and that's exactly why there's so many new AG people pointing

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this stuff out and locking arms with professing Christians against it and I

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believe that it's this Unholy Unity between the New Age Christians uh you know a lot of the

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Christian dominionists you know seven Mountain mandate people uh I'm sorry to say Christian nationalists a lot of

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these people you know yeah we'll get into that you know but but what what what what's happening is there's this ecumenical multifaith Unholy Alliance

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forming against the overt darkness of Satanism when really you know Satanism

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in its truest form isn't you know this this overt Darkness but rather it's the

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idea that one or an individual is on par with the Creator uh which which you know

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Echoes from the LIE of the serpent you know ye are you shall be as gods and that's what the new age teaches it

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teaches that you know we are born with this Divine spark and that you know through various means we can you know uh

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become enlightened or awaken to our Divinity and you know uh uh you know be

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on be on equal footing with God which in their view is Source or infinite

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Consciousness and as the channeled entity raw taught in the channeled work the law of one as well as other we're

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going there let's go oh yeah there's there's a lot here there's a lot here

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y um but yeah uh and and that's the thing is like you know there's so many

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new age people like Russell Brand I saw you made a a comment I think that's actually how I found you is you made a

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response to russle Brand where he was talking about Jesus in what seemed like a positive light yeah and that's the

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thing it's like the new age has their own version of Jesus one that isn't the Son of God who takes away the sins of

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the world but rather is an ascended master who was guiding Humanity towards Ascension and towards spiritual

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Evolution and Enlightenment uh which is the culmination of what the new age ultimately is and the word new age is

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really a counterfeit of the millennial Kingdom because the new age is ultimately what they're working towards

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like Alice Bailey and Helena baski talked about which is bringing the king om of God to Earth Here and Now um and

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that's and and that's the thing with Satan is you know he he doesn't really create anything right he imitates right

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he's he's the imitator and he doesn't operate by overt opposition and and you know adversity but rather by subtle

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infiltration and imitation and that's exactly what we need to guard for rather

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than you know what we're doing right now and and and the response that the church and most profession Christians are

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taking in response to Babylon which which you know we can get into uh I is

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is you know this Unholy Alliance just like King a just like King ahaz did you

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know when uh D under the threat of an Assyrian invasion you know he formed an unlawful alliance with his with his

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neighbors uh you know specifically Egypt and Syria and God forbade them to do

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that but why did he do it because he was fearful of the physical circumstances and likewise today because of we are in

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fear of our physical circumstances because we are in fear of losing our Earthly Paradise of losing at things in

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the world of suffering In the Flesh as Christ tells us to do we are forming the

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same Unholy alliances with our spiritual enemies locking arm with the new age

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locking arm with all these all these different people you know Muslims everyone Hindus everyone you

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know and that's and that I believe will be the rallying cry of the true Beast Alliance it's going to

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be let us unite ourselves as one let us tap into our true power let's defeat

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this evil system and build a paradise and I believe that is the essence of the

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true Beast Rebellion that is rising in response to Babylon that Reigns over the

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kings of the earth and we can get into a lot from there but Man Zero 0 to 60 in

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record time I I could not I could not agree more with everything with

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everything that you're saying and uh you know you can see this I thank you for mentioning the Russell Brand tweet where

Joe Rogan, Russel Brand, and the Cosmic Christ

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he's like he's in a yoga studio kneeling on a yoga mat talking about I'm reading gations and he looks away from the

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camera My Heart is Open it's like what well right like come on like wearing an

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astrological symbols all over his jacket and Christian's like he's coming to Christ I'm like come on give me a break

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you know that's a good impression yeah thanks man I don't know where that came from but like

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I it's it's honestly like people just they they hear a celebrity breathe the

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name Jesus and they absolutely lose their mind like Joe Rogan said it the other the other day he's like we need

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Jesus it's like cool man I'm really happy that you say that you'll probably need Jesus right up until Jesus asks you

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for something and then you probably don't need him anymore and so I think I think we're going to see we're going to see a lot of this you know come from

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celebrities kind of coming in sort of like Loosely saying the name of Christ you know what I mean like Taylor Swift

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like good Christians support abortion right is what she said and I think you're I think you're very right in

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saying that there's going to come a move from the other side from within the church to try and bring in these

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unbelievers and try and form some form of like as you said Unholy alliance between weak tea you know maybe

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evangelicals or ecumenical New Apostolic reformation and aligning themselves with the new age and they sawing off enough

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uh saw off just enough Doctrine to be palatable I'm I'm definitely seeing all

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that so thank you for pointing all that out and gosh there's so many different roads we can start walking down right

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now yeah so like what you were saying uh you mentioned Joe Rogan and this is another example you know he said that

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you know uh that that Society needs Jesus you know we need we need the kingdom of God right and and this is you

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know when he says this you know to the undiscerned it sounds like he's saying like it sounds like he's really coming

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to Christ like wow we need Jesus for our Salvation you know but that's not that's not really what he's saying you know he

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he he's saying that uh you know that the over Darkness has become so bad that we

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need something uh that that represents righteousness we need something that represents uh you know uh uh uh you know

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some something to save us from this this darkness and that's I like I said I

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believe that will be the calling card of the Beast Kingdom I want to read you a quote from Alice Bailey I'm not sure if

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you've seen this quote but it says this it says it is time that the church woke

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up to its true Mission which is to materialize the kingdom of God on Earth

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today here and now this time the time is passed wherein we can emphasize a future

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and coming Kingdom people are no longer interested in a possible Heavenly state

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or a probable hell they need to learn that the kingdom is here and must

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Express itself on Earth it consists of those who do the will of God at any cost

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as Christ did and who can love one another as Christ loved us now listening

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to that quote right and if I didn't tell you this was from Alice Bailey who what does this sound like I mean this sounds

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like a post-millennial dominionist you know uh n i mean you know this this this

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sounds like Jeff Durban right this sounds this sounds like Durban is my pastor slow that down oh wow pump the

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brakes oh wow that's amazing I I would actually after this I would love to get

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in contact with Jeff with uh Mr Jeff Durban because there is a lot a lot a lot that I would like to say to him but

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uh but but I mean see what I can do thank you I appreciate it but but but but think but think about this statement

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I mean you know this this statement is is in complete alignment with what what

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modern Christians are saying again in response to the over dark minations of

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the of of you know the globalist Tyranny sure and and this is what the new age

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has always been about a lot of people like to put you know think that the New World Order and the new age are on the

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same team or that they that they want the same thing is that is that a is that Calvin on your cup uh no it's Luther

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it's Luther oh okay re I for a second okay okay very cool very I am a I am a I

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am a Sixpoint calvinist we can get into that are you okay wow I see so it's so

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it's so interesting so I used to be very much the same I used to be you know calvinist uh you know post-millennial uh

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partial prist um you know all this stuff I I I sounded a lot like Jeff Durban and you

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know um what's that guy Doug Doug uh Doug Wilson Wilson uh yeah Doug Wilson

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my whole audience is falling over laughing right now yeah I used to sound exactly like these guys but I never

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understood because because and and I hate to sound like this but like you know it really wasn't until I started to

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really you know uh delve into scripture and and and you know using you know uh

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not just you know New Testament but Old Testament typologies to that that ultimately paint a picture of what we

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can expect and and we can get into all that you know uh see a lot of people you know when they talk about prophecy you

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know they're looking only at Revelation they're looking it only at Daniel right but I think if we do that we miss so

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much of the intricate fine details that are that accompany you know uh and give

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us a picture of what to expect in the last days and you know uh there's so

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many examples of this you know one example is uh King Saul when he was

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instructed to wait for Samuel seven days and uh to to do the offering and you

Saul versus David

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know King Saul you know because of his impatience and because of his fear of seeing people begin to disperse you know

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he couldn't wait the full seven days for Samuel to come so he took matters into

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his own hands and did the offering himself and you know God was was not

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pleased by this you know he took Saul's Kingdom them away from him for this because of his impatience and because

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you know he because I know he he uh didn't he he wasn't listening to God's

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instructions he tried to craft his own path right and I and and in the same way

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that he had to wait seven days I think this is a picture of the seven years of tribulation where we will face great

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Temptation from the world to take matters into our own hands and to and to

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forge our own path path right but you know and and and and and God taking

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Saul's Kingdom away from him I believe is a stark warning to Believers about

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what's going to happen to us if we do not have the patience to wait in faith

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for what God will give us at the appointed time and this is a theme that's echoed all throughout scripture

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as I pointed out in one of my posts here um and I believe and and you know I I

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really don't want to you know sound like I'm I'm you know trying to come at your beliefs or anything like that but um you

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know but this but this is again this is the pattern we're seeing with this rise of Christian dominionism and nationalism

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and the Seven Mountain mandates and the Nar and you know and and even the new age all walking locking locking arms in

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complete alignment uh against the the overt tyranny of what's happening today

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um I think that another example is you know in uh uh what happened to the Israelites at Mount Si you know they

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felt abandoned when Moses was delayed so they made a golden calf and worshiped it

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and I think this story is a mirror to how in waiting for Christ's return many

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will turn to the familiar Idols of our age trying to save themselves instead of

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trusting in God's plan and I think that the harsh outcome of the 3,000 men being

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killed when Moses returned paraly s the harsh reality awaiting those at Jesus's

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Second Coming who find themselves caught in idolatry instead of faithfulness in

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God's timing and then let's let's look at ju you know J's campaign against

Jehu versus Jezebel

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Jezebel as another layer to this you know he seemed to be doing the right thing by opposing you know bow worship

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and the foreign uh idolatry that Jezebel brought into Israel and you know but yet

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he allowed the worship of the familiar National Idols of the golden Cales to

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persist in Dan and bethl which were established by jeroboam the first king

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of the northern kingdom and the the golden Cales mimicked the temple service

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in Jerusalem so they represented a false Jud Judaism and I I think that this

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compromise is a picture of how the uh of of the future deception by the Beast who

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will appear to oppose evil but will continue to support our familiar idols

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and promote a twisted counterfeit form of Christianity in the form of

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dominionism and if you think about it the the four horsemen right what is the first horse of the of the Four Horseman

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it's a white horse with a crown and a bow and this you know this Horseman

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mimics Christ who returns in Revelation 19 who comes and on a white horse you

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know uh to to to dash the kingdoms of the Earth with the breath of his mouth but the first horse of Revelation I

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believe is a counterfeit that goes forth to conquer the Nations uh you know one

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that seems like it's Christlike right but it's but it's really not and and

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this is I believe you know the the the the Unholy Unity I'm talking about you

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know the Christian dominionism the N the new age you know all these different people locking arms you know forming an

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Unholy Alliance and marching together to conquer you know the Babylonian Empire

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that Reigns over the kings of the earth which is the Illuminati which is the New World Order so if you could picture this

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you know a lot of people think that the New World Order is Satan's true endgame

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you know they they think that you know they they they view the world from a

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very Gnostic and New Age framework and I was even guilty of this of doing this

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before you know and I think what we really need to to address is is the

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framework here and are we addressing these things from a Biblical framework or are we addressing these things like

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how Alice Bailey did and Helena blotsky in the new age and you know there's a reason why it's called the tribulation

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period right we are being tested and the Bible tells us repeatedly on how to pass

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and we need to think of job whose story is a roadmap for navigating our own

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trials today as well as the tribulation to come you know his absolute trust in

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God even adist amid staggering loss is precisely The Stance we're meant to take

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you know job famously said said the Lord gives and the Lord takes away you know

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he showcased his complete acceptance of God's control over every aspect of life

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without once blaming his misfortunes on the devil or claiming that he was under

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a satanic attack job instead he saw his suffering as something Allowed by God

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not as a random Misfortune which actually deepened his faith and brought him soulless in his Darkest Hours but it

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seems today that we're drifting away from this crucial understanding and

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we're getting caught up in the world's fears and anxieties exactly like how Isaiah 8 warns against you know and and

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this is what I believe is happening now you know in our Scramble for a sense of security you know many have ventured

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into alliances that go against our spiritual grain and it's exactly like I

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said it's it's reminiscent of how the Norther the Northern Kingdom of Israel out of fear aligned with other nations

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rather than trusting in God and that was to their detriment you know and and I

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think that um we need to be very careful because you know uh today the fears of

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Tyran and the New World Order prompt many to seek Security in places that

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fundamentally oppose God's kingdom via the new age for example you know and I

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think and and this is this is 100% a dangerous road because it echoes the

31:54

same mistakes of the Israelites and Saul and many others King ahaz the false

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prophets in Jeremiah days and Jeremiah's day um uh and it's all leading us away

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from from from God's true intentions not towards him and you know it's easy to

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think of spiritual warfare as a battle against society's wrongdoings and seeing

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ourselves as Warriors in a cultural fight but this view can make us miss the

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real spiritual battle which is the one against our own sins and desires against

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our flesh amen and and and it's a bit like you know getting so caught up in

32:38

fighting external monsters that we forget the ones lurking within us you

32:45

know just like the Pharisee in Luke 19 or Luke 18 I think and you know he said you know he thought that he was right

32:51

with God because he wasn't like those other people and that's what's happening

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today you know with all this overt Darkness with the left and degeneracy

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and you know the the social evils that are that are you know that are that are rising and Rising you know it's so easy

33:09

to externalize and point the finger at them and say you know these guys are evil and boost while you know while

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while not guarding our own Hearts right and that's the thing we're putting up walls against our physical flesh well we

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need to protect the country we need to protect the world we need to save this Fallen World but we're not guarding our

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hearts and we're letting Pride we're letting self-righteousness we're letting

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uh you know uh biblical Doctrine uh you know not permeate our hearts and and and

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and and we're we're missing the mark severely you know the Apostle Paul said

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you know you know uh if if if if if this if the true meaning of spiritual warfare

33:53

if the good fight really is the fight for this world or the fight against tyranny or you know the fight against

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all this stuff then the Apostle Paul I guess didn't didn't win the you know didn't fight the good fight then but

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that's not what he says he says you know I have fought the good fight I have finished the race I have kept the faith

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and that is the good fight it's about walking in obedience to to the spirit

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crucifying our flesh and following after Christ you know and and and if we have

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to suffer in this life then we must endure just like Jesus did just like the

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apostles did just like the prophets did just like job did just like uh David did

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you know all of these figures all throughout scripture they're more than just stories they are a road map a

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blueprint on how we are to carry ourselves out in this life you know by

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walking in obedience to the flesh by you H down our desires look do I want you

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know us to become a Christian Nation and for us all to glorify God absolutely I

35:06

do of course I want that but just because I want something doesn't me NE

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doesn't necessarily mean that that's you know that that that that you know uh

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that's what I have to focus on because I because that's how Satan tempts us and

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lurs us away from the truth by playing into our Des Desires in the same way

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that Satan tempted Jesus in the desert when he was fasting for 40 days and you

35:37

know what did what did Satan say he used scripture to try to appeal to Jesus you

35:43

know he said uh you know throw yourself off this mountain the Angels you know they'll they they'll have to carry you

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up you know he said you know give me one act of worship and all these kingdoms will be yours you know but Jesus

35:56

recognized this as a deceptive shortcut as a way to to to to diverge from the

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path that God had set for him which involved a lot of suffering which

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involved a lot of enduring which involved a lot of persecution by

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unrighteous Unholy Godless people and what did Jesus do and and and Jesus's

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response wasn't to fight back no it was to lay down his life it was to lay it

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down and obedience to the father's will Jesus wept In The Garden of Gethsemane

36:34

he said father I hope that this cup passes over me right but but but it is

36:41

not according to my will but to your will and it goes right back to job you

36:47

know like I was saying about job job acknowledged that all things come from the father that's the good that's the

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bad that's the ugly and that's everything in between right we know from

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Daniel chapter 2: 21 we know from Romans 13 that all the governments of the world

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are ordained by God if someone is in power that's because God put them there

37:10

and what we've done what we've done through this Awakening movement through this you know uh through through this uh

37:17

conservative you know right-wing p uh push back is we've we've we've we've

37:24

made this the the the spiritual warfare going on as if you know it's God versus

37:30

Satan as if they're somehow kind of equals engaged in a cosmic battle right

37:35

but but that's not the case they're not equals you know God is Sovereign and and

37:41

and Satan Satan while he is the lowercase G God of this world right it

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it's much like you know uh it's much like God it's I use the analogy of the

37:53

landlord and the Tenant right it's like yeah Satan and his angels and and the

37:58

and the evil forces they're tenants here so while they do have some level of you

38:04

know control of what goes on it they cannot do anything outside of the boundaries and limitations that the

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landlord has set for them and that landord is God right and this is the

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problem what with what's happening today we've attributed all of our calamities

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all of our sufferings all of the bad things happening in this world as if they are outside of the control of God

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as if God did not ordain that personally to to to to give unto us you know we

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look at the Biden Administration we look at you know uh Obama we look at all this stuff as if God didn't put put it there

38:41

for his purposes and we might not like we may not we may not like uh you know

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what's happening in front of us right but ultimately everything is working uh

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for God's overarching plan and what is and and and what is his plan

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uh uh uh doing right now it's sifting the wheat from the chaff right that's

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what God has been do doing all throughout scripture you know that's why the word tribulation is is attributed to

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testing the same thing with King Saul he was being tested and he failed the test why because he couldn't wait in faith

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for what God promised to him and we're doing the same thing today and I think that this is the grave error that

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Christian dominionists make that the N Mak and I think this is the reason why we

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are seeing all of these people locking arms together and saying let us unite

39:36

ourselves let's put aside our spiritual differences let's put aside our spiritual beliefs just for a moment take

39:43

down this evil satanic Empire and build a paradise and that paradise that's

39:48

coming is going to be the actual Beast Kingdom it's not going to be the globalist New World Order of tyranny and

39:56

and subjugation because never been Satan's emmo Satan's emmo has always

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been to give to play into our pride play into our hubris it's a it's it's a

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hegelian dialectic false flag operation being carried out solely by deceptive

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Spirits the Illuminati the cabal they control nothing they control nothing

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because God is ultimately in control and has ultimate power over them and whatever control and whatever minion

40:27

they think they have is only superficial and whatever agendas that they plan on

40:33

carrying out is is is ultimately going to fall short think of it like this you

40:40

know we have the New World Order and then we have you know the Unholy Alliance of man with the new age

40:46

Christian dominionism all that stuff and and the the and the Deep State the new

40:52

world order are the losers in a fixed chest match against the light the quote

40:59

unquote light side it's like the it's like the dark side versus The Light Side Jedi versus versus Sith you know both

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sides are ultimately uh both sides ultimately miss the mark right uh just

41:13

like ju versus Jezebel right uh Jezebel representing overt Darkness tyranny for

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foreign battle worship child sacrificing sexual perversion just like the left does what did J uh represent he

41:26

represented he represented you know a self-righteous uh you know he said he said come see my Zeal for the Lord you

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know uh when he invited uh I think it was Elijah onto his Chariot and he said

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um you know and and that's the thing is he thought he thought he was right with

41:44

God because he was destroying the enemies of God so he thought he was

41:50

already right with God so he didn't so he didn't do the necessary work like the

41:56

Apostle Paul talked to about that's in that's within because he externalized

42:02

the meaning of spiritual warfare and that's what we're doing right now and people are missing uh the true spiritual

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battle that the Apostle Paul warned about in favor of the dramatized good

42:17

versus evil you know let's take back our planet because get that gets attention

42:23

that gets likes that gets views you know uh and and and the true meaning of

42:29

spiritual warfare it it simply isn't exciting enough for most people you know

42:35

uh uh you know Satan at the Grammys that gets tons of use oh you know inverted

42:40

petagrams hidden in the you know that gets tons of likes people people want to see that but what people don't want to

42:46

talk about is is fighting the monsters that that's within us is is is is is laying down our desires to suffer in the

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flesh we suffer because Christ suffered for us as first Peter says you know and

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and all of our suffering it's not meaningless it's not an attack from Satan right it you know God is the one

43:10

delivering us unto tribulation unto persecution to sift to to sift the wheat

43:16

from the chaff to to to to you know the sheep from the goats and the Sheep will

43:22

be those who say the Lord gives the Lord takes away just like job and continues

43:28

to walk in obedience to the spirit and the goats will be I'm under a satanic attack I need to fight back sure you

43:35

know that's that that that's going that's essentially going to be the two and most of the world is going to fall

43:41

into the second category and they are going to unite as they already are they are going to unite themselves and it's

43:48

interesting that the beast in Revelation 13 rises from the sea well in Revelation

43:55

s in Revelation 18 we see that the sea represents Humanity so so the Beast

44:02

rises from Humanity just like the early church father irus said you know he said

44:10

that uh you know the Antichrist is going to rise and is going to appear to

44:15

vindicate the oppressed and that's and that's the whole thing is the Antichrist

44:21

agenda is not a top down agenda of tyranny Against Humanity like David Ike

44:28

says right this is truism this is gnosticism you know the Beast Rises it's

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a it's a it's a bottom up genuine

44:39

organic Uprising against the system against

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Babylon which All Leads up to Revelation 17:16 where the Beast uh the Beast

44:51

Alliance destroys the Harlot makes her desolate and burns her with fire and

44:56

that that's that Harlot is none other than Jerusalem because there's only one city

45:05

that God ever would call a harlot because there's only ever been one city

45:11

that God ever formed a covenant with and that Tred to make holy because the word

45:16

harlotry isn't a merely a reference to evil or wickedness it is a reference to

45:23

the Betrayal of a Holy Covenant and you know H and we can get into uh the a

45:30

verse by verse breaking down of Revelation 11 Revelation 14 of that the great City where our Lord was crucified

45:36

being none other than Jerusalem um you know uh and and how the New World Order

45:43

what people are waking up to is the Jewish talmudic minations of the New

45:51

World Order which all ultimately uh lead to Jerusalem being the headquarters or

45:58

the mecca of the Illuminati and what's happening is we are literally witnessing

46:05

a repeat of the recurring judgment Cycles on Israel there is nothing new

46:12

Under the Sun we in the same way that God used Wicked Pagan Nations to judge

46:21

Israel to judge Jerusalem he's doing the same thing today except on a global

46:28

scale and what's happening is the world collectively is is waking up they're

46:35

they're Awakening to The Matrix and the controllers of the Matrix right in the

46:42

same way that Lucifer is seen in the occult as the lightbearer like Helena

46:49

boty said you know shining a light in the places where there is Darkness right

46:55

and that's ultimately what this is all about it's a false light because it's a

47:01

false Revelation in the same way that you know because the word revelation

47:07

implies revealing it means to reveal right and in the same way that Christ

47:14

tore the veil between man and God uh you know uh showing us our sin and the

47:20

Darkness that we're in because of sin this and and and dispelling the Darkness and revealing himself as the king of

47:27

Kings well Satan the imitator is having his own Revelation event his own

47:35

rendition of Revelation 19 where he comes on a white horse uh to dispel the

47:41

Dark minations of The Matrix we live in and to uh and to reveal the Hidden

47:49

Truths of Man's power and Divinity quot quote and quote the hidden truth quote

47:55

and quote the hidden truth not the actual Hidden Truths like quote unquote you mean right right right right quote unquote exactly yeah the the quote

48:01

unquote hidden spiritual knowledge that the Illuminati has been hiding from us that they've been suppressing our divine

48:08

spark and it's exactly like what the channeled entities have told to Alice

48:13

Bailey Helena blotsky to Alistar Crowley to uh Elizabeth Clare Propet to David

48:19

Ike to uh you know all of these all of these people who have channeled these

48:24

lying Spirits masquerading as benevolent beings you know what do they all say they say that humanity is in darkness

48:32

there's a there's a dark force ruling and controlling and manipulating the world and in order to reach the kingdom

48:40

of God and to spiritually Ascend we need to all unite ourselves together regardless of faith we need to stand up

48:47

and rebel against them we need to expose them push Shine the Light in the darkness expose them and build a

48:55

paradise that's exactly what we're witnessing right now and nobody is really seeing it for what

49:04

it is well that's thank you thank you for all that I I really um there was so much

49:10

important stuff in there that that I think um I was taking notes as you as you were talking so so I could talk

49:16

about the the things that were very crucially uh very crucially aligned on because I think ultimately we're we're

49:23

saying very similar things but I think the most important thing um that I wanted to pull out first is um is what

49:30

you said about Warriors in a cultural fight and that's definitely something

49:35

that I've been observing that uh I call it the Crusader mentality I think that there are a lot of men and it's very

49:42

seductive you know you you we get these platforms on social media doesn't matter what it is whether it be a whether it be

49:48

on YouTube or Twitter or Instagram or a podcast it doesn't really matter um and suddenly there's a there's a temptation

49:54

to begin preaching what J Gres and M calls a conservative Social Gospel meaning like oh we're going to we're

50:00

going to promote Christianity as the as a a conservative Social Gospel to fix all these societal ills and uh when

50:07

really that's very much cart before the horse that the societal ills don't get fixed because of conservative Social

50:13

Gospel it gets fixed because of the gospel because of sin and repentance because of bowing the knee to Christ and

50:19

then everything flows Downstream from that and I do see quite a lot of warriors in this cultural fight fight

50:25

and you know may aopa like it's easy for me to fall into that as well um preaching a res a resolution to social

50:31

issues as opposed to preaching a gospel of of sin and repentance so I I really appreciate that you said that because it

50:37

is quite easy for men to uh to get out there and try and again Crusade rather

50:43

than doing the hard spiritual discipline of inner work and I'm glad you mentioned that because in my men's group right now

50:49

I'm leading men through a study of the book disciplines of a Godly Man by R Kent Hughes and I strongly strongly

50:55

strongly recommend recommend that book as a guide for how to do the inner discipleship work of of Christian Living

51:01

For Men partic particularly and it it's uh it's something that I I wish more church has taught so for men that are

51:07

interested in learning how to do the inner spiritual work of Christian Life um I I recommend the disciplines of a

51:13

Godly Man by Kent Hughes I also really agree with you around the subject of idolatry around the The Familiar um the

51:21

familiarity with the gods of the Nations whether it be whether nationalism itself

51:27

becomes a God and I think um the classic quote that I've heard is uh when when fascism comes to the United States it'll

51:34

be carrying a cross and wrapped in a flag right that's I don't know who where that quote came from but that's that

51:40

sticks in my head I heard it during my time in the new age for example um and I think it would be very easy very very

51:47

easy seductively easy for Christians to fall into that you know worshiping

51:52

either nationalism or worshiping the America as a as its own particular form of of golden

51:59

calf and we've seen that actually you know with a lot of the the conservatism

52:04

quote unquote conservatism going back to uh to Reagan probably even sooner Reagan is the earliest that I remember

52:11

experiencing it and of course you know we'll get into Donald Trump for sure he's a giant part of that uh part of

52:16

that also but there's this real persistent americanism um that that we've all kind of been discipled in just

52:23

environmentally and it's important that that Christians and I agree with you that it's important that Christians not

52:28

make the nation as their instrument of Salvation not make nationalism itself

52:34

the instrument of Salvation not make any particular politician on any side or any

52:39

you know any um content creator or or any any figure the instrument of th of

52:45

their salvation Christ is the instrument of their salvation faith is the instrument of of their salvation and to set aside the the men and ideas and

52:53

ideologies that might be tempting to follow because they are the true they are the true golden calves I also really

52:59

appreciate how you said um that God is Sovereign I think that is a that is such an important doctrine that brings so

53:06

much peace and there's a book that I recommend called trusting God by Jerry Bridges it's a classic of the Christian

53:12

faith um and it's all about God's sovereignty and all the circumstances of our lives and uh and I I think you're

53:19

really right about that that God is Sovereign and that there there is a a wheat separating from the chaff process

53:25

that's going on and I absolutely agree with you that it will be very easy for Christians um who have been poorly

53:32

discipled by the American Evangelical Church to seek alliances with foreign

53:38

with with foreign Gods Not Just nationalism as an instrument foreign Gods so you know I really stepped in it

53:43

you know not in a bad way necessarily a couple weeks ago when I did my tweet about yoga that Christians should not be doing yoga and that exploded like I was

53:50

on OA one Amer News Network as a result of that tweet I had no idea it was this big of a deal but the anger and the

53:58

vitri that poured out from from ostensibly from quote unquote Christians over challenging this little particular

54:04

Idol was so revealing to me I had no idea it was that big of a deal and so as I look around and I see I see Christians

54:10

doing yoga and various contexts I mean like Eric Khan talks about the yoga pants right and that went explosive and

54:18

so but that's just pants but the the the oh I can do it just rub some 1 Corinthians 7 on it you know it's meat

54:24

sacrifice to Idols like whoa whoa whoa hold on a second pump the braks so there was a lot of anger around that because I

54:29

think many American Christians in fact um in my podcast last week with Jeff Wright uh he's a pastor and he was

54:37

talking about how much of that has been going on for so long with churches leading yoga classes and stuff and you

54:42

also see it with the anagram I uh I I spoke to someone who said that he I think Jeff Wright actually also said

54:48

this that he believes that it's possible that some of the churches will start experimenting with iasa you know like

54:55

and of course these are apostate churches right so these are not you know these are not uh these are not faithful

55:00

Christian churches but they're seeking to build alliances with the world becoming their own their own form of uh

55:07

of idolatry and and so I do I do see a lot of that going on so I see very much

55:13

everything that you're talking about with apostate Christian churches forming alliances with with various Idols

55:19

whether it be the gods of the Nations whether it be you know nationalism itself whether it be americanism right

55:25

to try and like who is going to save us Christ is going to save us My Hope Is In Christ not in anything else so I

55:32

absolutely 1,00% agree with you on all of that and that that should land on the on the individual meaning the individual

55:39

man as a householder and his family to say how can I how can I allow this to

55:44

sanctify me that's the example of job that you brought up how can I allow this trial to forge me and sanctify me and

55:51

drive me into the arms of Christ drive me closer to God into closer everyday relationship with him through prayer and

55:58

scripture reading and acts of devotion that's what the disciplines of a Godly Man is book is about so I absolutely

56:03

agree that this is how we as men should be responding to these very real and genuine threats I also agree with you

56:11

about the false light Awakening this like oh we're going to rip like the the PD files you know that stuff coming out

56:17

like that just all seems too convenient that they're just dumping all of this stuff on the public when you used to have to fight and dig and scrape and

56:24

things got censored from the internet now it's just pouring out like I think it's I think it's absolutely right and we should be very skeptical of of all of

56:31

these things so I'm like 1,00% um agreed with you on the on the true crucial

56:37

aspects of of what you're saying meaning individual responsibility accepting the sanctification no idolatry trusting

56:44

God's sovereignty and all of that so the places where I think we disagree is um

56:49

is with regard to how shall we then live beyond simply my own faithfulness as a

56:55

man how do I relate to the systems institutions and institutions around me

57:02

and I think that's the big question that many uh that many reformed Christian men particularly are kind of grappling with

57:08

so you gave the example of of Saul and Samuel um the difference between and I agree with you there's a great book

57:13

called um A Tale of Three Kings by Gene Edwards that talks about uh Saul and

57:19

David and then there's I won't spoil who the Third King is but it's it's a short little book it's like less than a 100

57:24

Pages it's it's kind of a fictionalized telling of of of those stories it's a beautiful book but one of the things

57:29

about Saul is he had the clarity of the true prophet Samuel telling him precisely what not to do and I don't

57:37

know that we necessarily have that today in the same in the same way same same as with uh same as with Moses we don't

57:44

necessarily have that in the same way we don't have true prophets true men of God that speak flawlessly and in the name of

57:50

the Lord which is the test of a true Prophet I I think we also have to be careful around no of typology when we go

57:57

looking into the Old Testament because um as as I'm sure you agree this is a primary argument that the Roman Catholic

58:03

Church uses to look into the Old Testament and see things like Mary and all this stuff they rooted in typology

58:10

in the Old Testament and I think that's a very dangerous thing to do if we look into the Old Testament we see anything but Christ if we look into the Old

58:16

Testament we start looking at typology we can pull almost anything out of that because it's so massive and so to be

58:22

careful looking into the Old Testament and seeing anything other than preig figurations of Christ gets it gets kind

58:28

of it gets kind of murky um but that said like I I do um I do agree that we

58:33

are in a repeat of these judgment cycles that we are in a position where um where

58:38

you have all these blessings that are bestowed and then uh you know like uh

58:44

strong men make good times good times make weak men right we're in the weak men uh kind of kind of cycle of that and

58:51

that's the God's judgment that we see throughout history so I do think that that that's happening that I think

58:56

that's happening um and this is the argument that I think Doug Wilson would make we're we're experiencing that

59:01

because of faithlessness the deuteronomic blessings for faithfulness and the damic curses for faithlessness

59:08

that's what I think we're experiencing is we had a we had as Aaron Ren said we lived in a nation that was like they

59:14

called it positive world like a positive maybe not everyone was like you know hardcore you know Bible beleving

59:20

lowercase o Orthodox Christians but we lived in a world that was favorable to the Christian idea and and and we'll say

59:27

worldview and so people behaved in alignment with that and now we're a negative world where it's actually

59:32

directly in opposition to the Christian worldview and so what what that is is yes it's a nation under judgment and the

59:38

deuteronomic blessings are being withdrawn from America so we are a nation under judgment for faithlessness

59:45

now again that falls on me as an individual man as a householder if I were a husband or a father then I would

59:51

be you know under the charge of discipleship it falls on pastors as well and so but once you have that sorted out

59:57

as you have you know more and more solid devout churches that are coming together and they are throughout the throughout

1:00:02

the country what do those men then do and I think that's the question that a lot of reformed Christian men are drling

1:00:08

with like okay I'm part of a strong Community I've sorted out my family I'm leading my wife I'm discipling my

1:00:13

children we're homeschooling maybe we're producing our own food maybe we have our own um maybe we have our we have we have

1:00:19

some Financial Security uh maybe we maybe we're you know we have a a community that we're all working

1:00:25

together and we're mutually supporting each other and we've built this cell you know like a cellular kind of organism

1:00:30

right like we're just we're together and we're solid what do we then do well then does it not make sense to begin

1:00:37

expanding our influence outward if the world is making it impossible for us us to righteously uh practice our faith and

1:00:44

this is this is what uh Steven wolf talks about in the case for Christian nationalism if the world is making it

1:00:50

difficult for us to practice our faith what do we then do do we submit to it as God God's will right to yes I believe

1:00:58

that we do that but is that all we do or do we go forth into the world and disciple the Nations and bring America

1:01:06

back into a position of faithfulness and re earn the deuteronomic blessings and I think this is the real nature of the

1:01:13

dispute between um the difference in perspective between premillennialism and postmillennialism and this is why I

1:01:19

consider myself a post millennialist because I look at all of these things and I say okay I'm going to rectify my

1:01:25

life first like I'm not going to go tell someone else how to live unless I've sorted out the things that are within my

1:01:31

power to do and that's an ongoing process as it is for all of us and then once I've done that in the right way

1:01:37

well then I'm in a position to begin discipling the Nations discipling a fundamentally Christian Nation back to

1:01:43

faithfulness to rearn the damic blessings that's the post-millennial vision the other side of that is to S is

1:01:50

is is to accept is to accept potential um Serv ude or I don't know I don't I I

1:01:57

don't want to put words into your mouth what you would be describing but to accept um chastisement you know and and

1:02:04

and simply merely submit to it rather than push back against it and I I think that those are two very different

1:02:10

postures now ultimately I agree with you that not my will but but thine be done God and so I go out into the world

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Faithfully you know built on the foundation of scripture and prayer you know to build up to build out my

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household and build up my resilience and all these different things and they venture out into the world to preach the

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gospel to disciple the Nations while ultimately accepting God's um will for

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myself and for the nation and so I think we're saying very similar things and again discipling the world means against

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the New Age means against this false like Awakening means against these these unjust alliances um these these very

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fraught alliances and Alice Bailey is someone that I happen to know quite a lot about Annie bassant and and Helena

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baty and yes Alice Bailey spoke very much about the Christ I have a quote from her here I gave a presentation

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about a year ago called exiting the new age where I got to take apart Alice Bailey as well and you know one of the

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quotes that she said let me just pull it up about blatsky here you know she said um in the book The reappearance of the

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Christ she said Buddha and the Christ will together pass before the father and eventually pass to a higher service of a

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nature and a Cali caliber unknown to us Christ will teach the law of rebirth at his reappearance that's his book that's

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her book The reappearance of the Christ and so Alice Bailey can speak very convincingly about Christianity as soon

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as you read the next paragraph so so just to be able to put all that in context so that's that's just some of my

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responses I think that you say a lot of things that are really essential for for men to get in terms of like a personal

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theological responsibility in terms of submitting to the will of God and accepting that you know that harsh

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punishment chastisement like societal reproof might be the will of God and

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until we know like we don't have the security of a Samuel to tell us that

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right now so in lie of a Samuel maybe we can act in such a way like maybe we can

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fulfill the Great Commission and disciple the Nations and do it in the meantime until we do know for sure

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what's going to happen I don't think that'll be too far in our future but for me personally if I root myself in a

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proper Foundation I feel like that's a place that I can when I say fight from not in a j way but a fight with

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scripture rather than the sword way so that would be my response to some of the things you said thank you for listening to

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that yeah uh thank you for that actually um so I have I I have a I have a

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question that I want to ask you just to see kind of see where you're at um Jeff

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Pastor Jeff Durban is very famous for his line Defiance to tyranny is

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obedience to God um we that's not his that's not his personal line not his

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it's not his personal line but he he has a sermon he has a sermon called Defiance of Ty tyranny is obedience to God and I

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know a lot of um the post millennialist kind of calvinist type figures like Ali

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Ali basty she has that on her wall in in the back behind her Ali bastuck the

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calvinist yeah wow she is okay she actually debate she actually tried to debate Ben chapiro did you see her and

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Ben Shapiro talk about Calvinism oh my gosh um I I haven't that's that that's a that's a big surp that's a big surprise

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to me oh she's a huge calvinist oh my goodness I wonder okay okay well considering some of the things that she

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said in in the past week I mean wow okay anyway well that's a whole other we can

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we'll drive down that path later right but back to your but back to my question about uh you know Pastor Jeff deran he's

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got this Ser he's got this sermon about you know Defiance to tyranny is obedience to God and he goes through you

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know he brings up Daniel he brings up uh he brings up the uh the the women uh uh

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in Egypt uh you know he brings up uh uh you know uh King Nebuchadnezzar and and

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different things and he and then you know he he he essentially tries to construct an argument that you know that

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God wants us to stand up and rebel against you know tyrannical or

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unrighteous leaders um I I just want to know where where do you stand on that do you think

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do you think that Defiance to tyranny is obedience to God well so it it it it would depend on how we we define

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defiance um there's a book by Matthew well t r w e l a called the doctrine of

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the Lesser magistrates that's apparently quite um that's apparently quite popular I have it on my shelf I haven't gotten

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it to yet there's also one um vindy Contra tyrannis I wish I could remember the name of that one that's also in the

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reformed the reformed tradition um you know and Steven wolf talks about in his book the Case for Christian nationalism

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that that when we talk about something like Romans 13 The Authority inheres in

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the office not the man so so for example when we're about something like um we're

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thinking about something like a president or a govern let's set aside president let's say like let's say like a governor I'm in Arizona we'll talk

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about we'll talk about the governor of um the governor of Arizona so or whatever state you happen to be in so

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the authority of of the political position inheres not in the person who

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happens to be sitting in the governor's seat it inheres in the seat itself so when an unjust man or woman takes that

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seat and begins begins acting unjustly it is not that we are supposed to uh

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submit to an unjust Rule and sin and and author that's how Authority and headship

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works in the home a wife should not submit to her husband's Authority if

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he's leading her into sin like hey honey I'm the authority in the home let's go watch porn she should say even though

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I'm called to submit to you my husband I'm called to submit to you in the Lord and so that's sin and so I don't

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participate in sin because I follow Christ first and I think that provides a

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model for how men uh and women can relate to um can relate to other sources

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of human authority say I will not be led into sin Contra the commands of God and

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so when we say uh resistance to tyrants we mean that not necessarily um violent

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revolution unless violence is taken first and then there's a whole like just War Theory like first Iran and we can

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talk about all that but that's what I would take I I I don't want to speak for Pastor Jeff um but that's what I take

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that to mean that first like we are not to participate in sin and that's what

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resistance means and now of course with our government it's more complicated that's that would be how I would interpret that and what I speculate he

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might mean yeah well well I I would 100% agree that we do not submit uh to commit

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sinful acts in resp in response to let's say commands of a tyrant but you know

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just because our you know our leaders are tyranical does that now give us uh a

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a green flag to go and overtake them to overthrow them and essentially Jeff

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Durban makes the case that that it kind of does and you know I I I actually have

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um I actually wrote a response to him uh uh using uh using the Bible to kind of

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scrutinize what he like the the theological assertions she was making through a Biblical lens and to to

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understand the biblic uh the scriptural stance on our interaction with governance Authority and the legal

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Frameworks in this life and uh you know uh you know starting in uh you know Daniel you know we encounter the episode

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where King Nebuchadnezzar erects a golden statue and mandates a universal worship of it of it and the Proclamation

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was clear you know all people's Nations language and languages upon hearing the

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music must Pro prostrate and worship the golden statue erected by King

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Nebuchadnezzar and failing which they would be you know failing such they would be cast into a fiery furnace and

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you know this directive was clearly against Divine Law and um you know echoing Jesus's rebuke to Satan's

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Temptation with you know you must Worship the Lord your God and serve him alone you know Shadrach meach and abedo

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they uh you know they were presented before Nebuchadnezzar for their refusal to worship the statue affirming that

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their faith was uh in God over the king's EDI in Daniel 3: 16 to 18 and uh

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Daniel 6 presents uh another instance where you know D Daniel defies King

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darius's decree prohibiting prayers to any deity or man except for the king for

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30 days and Daniel's unwavering Devotion to God led him to continue his prayers

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resulting in his punishment in Lion's Den and then a third example would be you know uh in Exodus where Hebrew

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midwives disobeyed the pharaoh's order to kill all newborn Hebrew boys due to their uh fear of you know Israelite

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proliferation in Egypt uh you know which were against uh you know which also showed that they prioritized the fear of

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God over the King's Command however to understand these actions as Defiance to

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tyranny we must first define defiance and Defiance is challenging The

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Authority or power of someone or something it's akin to a child 's outright Rebellion against parental

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control characterized by Disobedience and Rule breaking stemming from a desire for autonomy and

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self-determination yes the biblical figures like Shadrach mhach and abedo

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Daniel and the Hebrew midwives weren't rebelling against the king's Authority out of desire for autonomy or because

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they were weary of obedience their resistance was not against the authority

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per se but against the command that directly contradicted God's laws uh

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particularly those regarding idolatry prayer and murder and these figures were

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not protesting tyranny in its broad sense but were steadfast in adhering to

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God's Commandments their refusal was not Defiance for the sake of rebellion but a

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commitment to God's law over mans when the two were in conflict and as

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evidenced by The Midwives Their Fear of God superseded Their Fear of the Pharaoh which Ed their actions and contrary to

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the actions of a child defying parental Authority not to engage in Theft uh the

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biblical characters refusal were based on a higher moral and Divine Law not out

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of defiance but Fidelity to God's Commandments and you know regrettably

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and unfortunately this nuanced understanding is often overshadowed by

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some pastors notably with uh significant significant influence who misinterpret

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these instances to incite a spirit of rebellion among their congregants and uh

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you know for example like I mentioned uh in his sermon why we believe defying tyranny is obedience to God you know

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Pastor Jeff Durban I believe inaccurately portrays Daniel as provoking King darius's ey leading to

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his punishment in a lion's den and distorts the biblical narrative to suit a theme of revolt and this portrayal

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misrepresent present the scripture and relationship between Daniel and Darius

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Daniel was targeted by other officials who were envious of his position and

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that prompted them to concoct a law that would entrap him due to his faith and this is all detailed in Daniel 6 CH

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verses four to five uh King Darius was not the instigator of the decree that

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endangered Daniel nor was he pleased with the outcome and upon uh Daniel's

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predicament uh Darius endeavor until uh until Dusk to save him and and

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evidencing his distress and efforts to rescue Daniel contrary to what Jeff Durban Paints in his sermon uh darius's

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reaction including his fasting and concern for Daniel's welfare underscores his respect for Daniel's Faith rather

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than anger towards it and the King's subsequent Joy at Daniel's survival and

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his decree honoring God highlight a recognition of divine power rather than a tyrannical resentment and I I I

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believe this misrepresentation by deran and similar narratives by others rais con rais concerns about the motive and

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interpretation of scriptural text to promote a notion of Justified Rebellion

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against Authority um you know uh the Acts of the Apostles is often evidenced

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is also cited as evidence of Christian's duty to to oppose tyranny what the

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apostles depicted as engaging in treasonous activities against Caesar's Authority by you know asserting Christ's

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authority over him and uh you know but but this depiction is not accurate

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biblically speaking for instance uh acts 17 veres 1-9 it recounts Paul and

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silas's activities in thessalonia uh where uh their preaching led to accusations of acting against Caesar's

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decrees by proclaiming Jesus's King which has led many like Pastor Jeff

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Duran to inter interpret the apostles actions as treasonous however a closer

1:15:29

examination especially considering the source of these accusations which are which were jealous Jews suggest a

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different narrative and the accusations were driven by jealousy and a desire to suppress the apostolic message not an

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accurate portrayal of the Apostles intentions or actions Paul's defense between govern uh before governor fesus

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in Acts 25:8 where he denies any of defense against Jewish law the temple or Caesar

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further contradicts the notion of apostolic treason and this defense alongside scholarly interpretations of

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acts as a Vindication of Paul and the apostles against the charges of political Insurrection emphasizes that

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their lawful conduct and raw and wrongful accusations against them and you know the early Christian narrative

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as aorded as recorded by acts does not primarily depict a conflict between the

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church and Rome but rather highlights the Jews as the primary antagonist with

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Roman authorities often protecting the apostles from Jewish hostility and and

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uh you know I I this challenge uh you know this this this should challenge the assertion made by contemporary pastors

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that the you know that the early church was marked by a foundational opposition to Roman Authority and I think these

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claims Overlook the broader scriptural narrative that emphasizes peaceful

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coexistence and LA awul conduct within the Roman Empire except when directly

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conflicting with God's Commandments and think about it the portrayal of Peter and the apostles as engaging in a direct

1:17:06

challenge to Roman Authority like d like Pastor Jeff Durban uh you know tells it you know especially in in the

1:17:12

interpretations of Acts 4 you know as a declaration of of war against Rome is very misleading and you know and the the

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interpretation often relies on misquoted or outof context historical assertions

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such as those by RJ runi runi who uh uh who Mis misrepresent the apostolic

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message as a political Insurrection against Roman rule and you know this misunderstanding extends to the

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misapplication of biblical text suggesting that uh a direct Apostolic challenge to the Imperial cult and

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Caesar's Authority which is not supported by the broader context of the New Testament writings or historical

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setting of early churches of the early Church's interactions with ro Roman governments uh you know actually the New

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Testament particularly in the writings of Paul and Peter calls for a respectful and submissive attitude towards

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governing authorities except in matters that directly contradict God's Commandments and this stance is not

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indicative of a blanket of a blanket endorsement of all government actions

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but recognizes the role of government as part of God's providential order and you

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know this approach is very is made very evident in the Christian response to persecution and tyranny where the

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emphasis is placed on faithfulness to God's Commandments peaceful coexistence

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and the hopeful anticipation of divine Justice rather than political revolution

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or Rebellion so the biblical narrative provides a nuanced perspective on the

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relationship between Christian obedience and governmental Authority and it emphasizes loyalty to God's law

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respectful engagement with Civil Authorities and the pursuit of peace and judgment uh and Justice within the

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constraints of the Fallen World and um you know and and and and addressing how

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uh you know Christians should react to tyranny wouldn't be thorough without discussing Romans 13 of course uh

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particularly versus 1-7 you know it says you know everyone should be under the

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authority of governing powers for they there is no power except from God and those in existence have been ordained by

1:19:30

God thus opposing the authorities is opposing God's decree leading to

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judgment Governors are to be feared not by those doing right but those doing wrong um you know uh do what is right

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and you'll have its approval for it serves God for your benefit but if you do wrong be afraid for it doesn't carry

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the sword for no reason it is God's servant and to execute wrath on the

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wrongdoer therefore submission isn't just to avoid wrath but also for

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conscience sake this is why we also pay taxes uh you know for this is why you

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also pay taxes for the authorities are God's ministers continually attending to

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these duties give everyone you owe taxes to who the taxes are due Revenue to whom

1:20:18

Revenue was due respect to to whom uh respect and honor to whom honor and

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historically Romans 13 has served effectively to discourage Christian Defiance against the state but however

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with the recent surge in concerns over diminishing freedoms cherished so much

1:20:36

by the West invoking you know Romans 13 to temper rebellious attitudes among Believers is increasingly viewed with

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skepticism by many within the christian community so some now argue that refer

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referencing Romans 13 in this context is not just a misinterpretation but a timid

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and misleading appeal and a prevailing alternate interpretation suggests that

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Romans 13 is a prescriptive not descriptive implying that Paul's

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description of government is not of its actual state but of its ideal form and

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according to this view Christians are called to submit only to rulers to adhere to Paul's outlined standards uh

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uh specifically those who are not a threat to Good Conduct but to bad who

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act as servants and Ministers of God's judgment but think about it at the time

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Emperor Nero who was known for his severe persecution of Christians ruled

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prompting some to argue that Paul's exhortation to submit could not possibly

1:21:41

extend to a ruler like Nero who clearly did not embody the characteristics of a

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god- serving Authority as described by Paul so is it accurate to say Paul

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envisioned an ideal form of governance thereby limiting Christian submission to

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only those rulers who align with Godly virtues or is the assertion that Paul's

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instructions are prescriptive rather than descriptive imposing a theological

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bias onto the text to justify resistance against Authority and considering the

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early Christians in Rome it's in it's improbable that they interpreted Paul's

1:22:21

instructions as a call to submit to any idealized form of government rather it's

1:22:27

more likely they understood Paul's directive to respect governing

1:22:32

authorities as inclusive of the existing Roman Administration which included

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Nero's Rule and the scripture itself suggests that Paul was suggesting all

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forms of of human governments not just the IDE ideologically pure he emphasizes

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that all authorities are established by God indicating submission to the present

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authorities which during this time included Nero and other biblical passage

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uh to affirm that God is the ultimate Authority who establishes Earthly rulers you know uh Jesus's dialogue with

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pontious pilot in John 19 and Daniel's acknowledgement to Nebuchadnezzar in Daniel chapter 2 and verses 37- 38 they

1:23:18

underscore the sovereignty of God in the ordination of Earthly Powers even though

1:23:24

who may act tyrannically so the narrative that Christians are exempt

1:23:30

from submitting to tyrannical rulers contradicts the acknowledgement of God's

1:23:35

sovereignty even when Nebuchadnezzar demanded idolatrous worship the response of Daniel to to Daniel's friends uh was

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not open Rebellion but a refusal to comply with that specific command

1:23:49

demonstrating respect for his authority despite his tyranny they still called

1:23:55

him King while you know while uh you know saying no we aren't going to do that they still called him King they did

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not challenge you know his uh uh his right to have authority over them but

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rather and and it's it's not about resistance but rather it's about persistence to following God you know

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you know their peaceful Disobedience and the miracul the miraculous Deliverance that followed LED Nebuchadnezzar to

1:24:24

knowledge God's power and that illustrates how submission combined with steadfast Faith actually can lead to the

1:24:31

glorification of God even in the face of oppressive governance and think about

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God uh think about uh Paul's guidance in second Timothy 2 uh which was penned shortly before his execution under Nero

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I think that this shows the Christian stance on suffering and authority to instruct gently and to endure evil

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patiently hoping God might Grant repentance leading to truth and and and

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and furthermore uh the context surrounding Romans 13 particularly in Romans

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1219 uh uh it its Adon admonition against personal Vengeance suggests a

1:25:07

continuity of thought and Paul transitions from urging Believers to leave Vengeance to God to discussing the

1:25:15

role of authorities as God's instrument for justice reinforcing the idea that

1:25:20

submission to government is part of a broader Christian ethic of Peace

1:25:26

patience and the Trust In God's judgment so for all those who are still skeptical

1:25:32

of Romans 13 uh Romans 13's call to submit submission to all authorities uh

1:25:38

uh first Peter first first Peter's letters uh especially uh you know especially poignant but you know given

1:25:45

they were written during uh nearest persecution they Echo they Echo the the

1:25:51

sentiments of Romans 13 Peter advocates for submission to every Human

1:25:57

Institution for the Lord's sake emphasizing that the Christian called to

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honor the emperor regardless of his actions against Christians and his letters you know acknowledging the the

1:26:10

suffering faced by Believers under Nero's rule uh counsel them to endure

1:26:15

trials as a test of faith focusing on the hope and salvation found not in this

1:26:22

world but in Christ and and and and and you know and and not on Earthly Justice

1:26:28

or resistance to tyranny but on you know the things that are above the things that are that are Beyond this world like

1:26:35

it says don't store your Treasures in this world but store your Treasures on that which is beyond this world and you

1:26:41

know I think that uh I think that this perspective is further solidified by Peter's encouragement for believers to

1:26:48

endure unjust suffering which draws on Christ's example of P patient suffering

1:26:55

and Trust in Divine Justice and his depiction of Christians as Exiles and

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strangers in this world which underscores our primary allegiance to

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God's kingdom over Earthly Nations which is not of this world and so you know the

1:27:15

comprehensive biblical narrative does not support a a Theology of rebellion

1:27:20

against government but rather a Theology of respectful engagement and submission

1:27:26

recognizing the authority of government as part of God's ordained order except

1:27:31

in instances where obedience to government directly contradicts obedience to God so all in all the call

1:27:38

for Christians submission to government even in the face of tyranny is not an

1:27:43

endorsement of inaction or Injustice but rather it's a recognition of God's sovereignty over all Earthly powers and

1:27:51

a call to trust in God's ultimate J Justice and salvation and uh you know

1:27:56

the emphasis on submission extends to the challenging question of contemporary

1:28:02

mandates such as maske wearing during a Health crisis you know is it sinful for Christians to comply with such mandates

1:28:09

you know scripture does not categorize wearing a mask is sinful you know the argument that mask mandates equate to

1:28:16

participating in a Satanic ritual is completely baseless and moralized with

1:28:22

conspiracy theory and gnostic teachings than biblical teachings so so Christians

1:28:28

need to you know therefore you know they have no scriptural basis to defy you

1:28:33

know Health mandates like maske wearing provided these mandates do not contravene God's Commandments and you

1:28:40

know the the biblical instances of Disobedience to rulers were driven by a commitment to God's law over human

1:28:47

edicts like the refusal to wear a mask however you know it it often stems from not a very scriptural not not a

1:28:54

scriptural mandate but from personal beliefs regarding the the efficiency of mask or the severity of the virus and

1:29:02

the distinction here is so important because Defiance based on personal rights rather than Define law does not

1:29:09

hold scriptural Merit and I believe that it is this exact appeal that is going to

1:29:15

lead many Believers into uh aligning themselves with this Rising multifaith

1:29:23

ecumenical Rebellion against the current tyrannical system and you know we think

1:29:28

about Satan for example you know Satan doesn't aim to physically enslave you

1:29:33

but rather he wants you to feel independent and Powerful he desires to keep you away from the truth of the

1:29:40

Gospel convincing you that you're self-sufficient innocent Divine and

1:29:45

entitled to live life on your own terms which Echoes alisar Crowley's philosophy

1:29:52

of do as thou Wilt and he wishes for you to be engulfed in Pride and a sense of

1:29:59

entitlement mirroring his own belief that he deserves everything even God's

1:30:04

Throne so if you find yourself aligning with the Great Awakening right and the

1:30:11

rising ecumenical Freedom Movement it's it's worth pausing to reflect and I I I

1:30:17

have to warn a lot of people you know just because you call out q and I'm not talking about you specifically but just

1:30:22

to people in general you know just because you call out Q or just because you call out the new age or just because

1:30:27

you call Out Alice Bailey or you know the lwh hanging or or or the or the yoga or the or the uh you know any of this

1:30:34

stuff that you know the lwh hanging fruit as I like to say it it doesn't mean that you are not still in alignment

1:30:41

with the overall spiritual deception you know suck absolutely and you know the

1:30:47

widespread promotion of of these ideals by false leaders and within the new age

1:30:52

circles being completely in alignment is is no accident I don't think it's an

1:30:58

accident you know the advocacy for rights freedoms and the fight against tyranny directly ties into the very core

1:31:06

of new age beliefs which is why these themes are re recurrently endorsed by in

1:31:12

my opinion false Christian teachers as well as the new age occultist across the

1:31:18

board without exception and if you're holding tightly to your worldly freedoms

1:31:24

and aligning in this Unholy ecumenical Alliance to preserve it I'd like you to

1:31:30

think about an analogy that might shed some light as to why followers of Christ as followers of Christ we should be

1:31:36

cautious in engaging you know in the current ecumenical movement for freedom

1:31:41

and that is you know imagine someone stole every penny from your bank account but you were gr but you were guaranteed

1:31:48

to receive a hundred billion doar tomorrow wouldn't that make the loss seem insignificant

1:31:54

so in a similar way as Christians we should view the loss of our material

1:31:59

possessions and political freedoms through a completely different lens you know we promised uh uh Treasures far

1:32:07

greater than any amount of money uh you know uh worldly Freedom peace Liberty

1:32:15

you know we're promised Eternal peace and imperishable an imperishable body an

1:32:21

everlasting fellowship with Believers and direct relationship with God himself

1:32:27

and and those caught up in the struggle for Freedom are behaving as if this Earthly life is all there is just like

1:32:34

someone who's robbed of their savings without the hope of a future wealth and so if we truly believe in Jesus and we

1:32:43

truly trust in the promise of eternal life our perspective should be like that

1:32:49

of someone who's expecting a vast Fortune very soon and this Outlook

1:32:56

should bring us peace and you know you look at the early Christians you know uh

1:33:01

did they did they you know uh uh lock arms with humanity and rise up and and

1:33:06

and and and fight back against tyranny no you know they were singing songs of

1:33:12

praise as they were killed as they were killed for the testimony of Christ they

1:33:17

were singing songs of praise because why because they knew their inheritance was

1:33:23

not in the World they knew that this world was temporary and that you know

1:33:29

the the the glory and the blessings of what was beyond this world made the things of this world pale in comparison

1:33:38

right and you know and I'm not suggesting that I want to give up my rights or that it's easy you know but

1:33:45

but knowing the promise of Eternal Peace and Freedom in heaven it should fundamentally change how we view Earthly

1:33:53

Freedom's loss after all everything in this world is temporary and people need

1:33:58

to consider the possibility that it might not be Satan who's trying to strip us of our rights but rather perhaps God

1:34:07

himself as a response to the pride and the sense of entitlement among Believers

1:34:13

I agree with that and you know it's it's a tough pill for many to swallow I mean especially Christians in the west you

1:34:19

know we're so used to going to church on Sundays and our nice air conditioned uh

1:34:24

you know churches and you know living very peacefully and and you know having

1:34:30

this Liberty but you look at Christians uh in in other places I I just saw a

1:34:35

couple days ago there was a massive uh there was a massive genocide of Christians I can't even remember the

1:34:41

name of the country but you know it's awful look at the way that Christians are living in other countries and so

1:34:47

when when pastors like Greg lock and and and Arthur uh palowski and all these

1:34:53

people and I want to name other other names but I'm not going to go there you know when they when they when they come

1:34:58

on here and they say things like you know uh you know we got to fight for the freedom that we're entitled to you know

1:35:05

I just think that's a I just think that that's that's such a spit in the face to Christians around the world today and to

1:35:11

and to to Christians in the early church and as well as to Jesus the apostles and Prophets who you know laid down their

1:35:19

lives you know peacefully in the face of unrighteous persecution by tyrannical government

1:35:24

you know and and you know this is a very tough pill for us to swallow but why is

1:35:29

it so Unthinkable like like I said earlier uh think about job you know he said the lord gave and the Lord has

1:35:36

taken away so if if we accept that our rights and freedoms are gifts from God

1:35:42

isn't it within his right to withdraw them if he sees fit I mean everything has its season you know it's it's worth

1:35:49

pondering whether God has decided that the era of certain freedoms protect particularly in America has come to an

1:35:55

end like we see across the world and if resisting this change is going against

1:36:01

God's will that in doing so aren't we actually opposing God and mislabeling

1:36:07

him as the enemy and this is why you know this this is why I call it agnostic

1:36:13

Rebellion because it because it mislabels God as Satan and misrepresents

1:36:21

God ordained calamities as Satan attacks against innocent righteous people and it

1:36:26

completely flips everything on its head and that's why I call it the Gnostic rebellion and you know and and the lines

1:36:34

between Divine will and deception are blurred leading Millions to mistakenly fight against what they perceive as

1:36:40

tyranny when it's more likely Divine correction again remember God's

1:36:45

sovereignty so so so so this misunderstanding has been exploited by

1:36:50

many leaders and teachers and you know and many and many other people connected

1:36:56

to new age beliefs or narcissism urging Christians to resist and fight back

1:37:01

across the board we see this across the board and this call to action is Being

1:37:07

Framed as a noble stand against oppression but if it's actually against God's will then it's a misguided effort

1:37:14

and we're and we're joining hands with the Enemy and mislabeling God as as as

1:37:20

Satan as the enemy and these movements whether knowingly or not are are leading

1:37:26

Believers away from the true faith and into Rebellion against God's plans and I

1:37:31

believe that's exactly what's happening you know if if if we accept that God can take away people we love why is it so

1:37:38

hard to believe that he might also remove our rights and instead of reacting with bitterness and Defiance we

1:37:45

should take a page out of job's book we should take a page out of Daniel's book we should take a page out of uh uh

1:37:54

uh shedrach uh mesach and abendigo's book we should take a you know we should

1:37:59

take a page out of David's book and have an attitude of unwavering Faith saying

1:38:05

blessed be the name of the Lord despite everything you know in front of them being Bleak and you know some you know

1:38:13

um you know and and I think we need to also like keep in mind like Satan's role

1:38:18

in all this because I think I think a lot of Christians have been suckered into this gnostic

1:38:23

uh uh framework of Satan's role and and and assigning him way too much power

1:38:31

than he has right and I've been guilty of doing yeah and I've I've been guilty of doing this before you know I've you

1:38:37

know before I I used to say things like you know all the world is a stage you know Satan's controlling

1:38:43

everything but like you know I now I realize that that's that's actually part

1:38:48

of the deception like that mentality is a crucial component of the deception

1:38:54

that's unraveling before us so subtly and you know like I said earlier you know um uh many people they see the

1:39:02

conflict between God and Satan as like a grand chess match with each side you know strategizing against the other

1:39:09

right but you know like I said you know Place mistakenly places them as if they're equals you know engaged in this

1:39:16

Cosmic battle but again it misses the mark and you know the true nature of spiritual battle isn't about a duel

1:39:22

between forces of equal power but it's about God's sovereignty over all and

1:39:28

that includes Satan right in this game Satan is not God's opponent but rather

1:39:34

he's merely a pawn in God's hands think about when he entered Judas you know

1:39:40

Satan probably thought that he was getting in the way of the plans of the Messiah but guess what God was just

1:39:46

using Satan to fulfill the plans of the Messiah right so in the reality in

1:39:52

reality God oversees the entire chess match of

1:39:57

human history and guiding its outcome towards his ultimate purpose and when Jesus Christ returns it will be as if he

1:40:05

overturns the entire chessboard revealing God's triumph over all schemes

1:40:11

whether they seem aligned with him or against him and I guess the key takeaway is that you know God uses even the

1:40:18

actions of those opposed to him to fulfill his D divine plan and you know it showcases his power to bring good

1:40:25

from evil as he has done all throughout the scriptures and putting our faith in God putting our true and genuine faith

1:40:33

in God it doesn't just mean saying with our lips I believe in God it doesn't just mean saying in with our lips I

1:40:39

believe in Jesus I'm a follower of Jesus no it means something it means that we're fully trusting him with our whole

1:40:47

heart and focusing not on worldly matters but on the eternal and the

1:40:53

challenges that we Face here are nothing compared to the incredible future that

1:40:59

awaits Us in heaven so instead of getting caught up in the world's fears and anxieties and trying to desperately

1:41:07

uh trying desperately to cling to life as it is we should again take a book a a

1:41:12

page out of job's book we acknowledge that God is in control even through the

1:41:17

tough times and maintain our fear not in the world but of God and remember that

1:41:24

if we're trying to hold on to our lives too tightly it will cause us to lose

1:41:30

them but if we're willing to let go for the sake of God then we'll Truly find

1:41:37

life I love how we're really we're really aligned on on so much that's essential particularly around uh God's

1:41:44

sovereignty and uh you know chastisement and reprove and and spiritual growth I think I think that's probably the most

1:41:50

important thing um that that any believer can can really have in his or

1:41:55

her heart is to have a true understanding of God's sovereignty and rejoice in all circumstances and I love

1:42:01

that we I love that we agree on that I think that's that's a really essential Point by the way I think also this is

1:42:06

probably the eschatological Quasi eschatological discussion that a lot of people have wanted to hear so I'm I'm

1:42:12

I'm really appreciating that we have the chance to to have our ideas you know come in come into contact with each

1:42:18

other so I think the first thing that I want to do to respond is I want to speak up in defense of my pastor Jeff Duran

1:42:23

and I mean I want to do that and I feel like I should do that and so I will do that so I think the first thing is I haven't actually listened to his um I

1:42:29

have it pulled up here why we believe Defiance to tyranny is obedience to God so uh a quick sense of context around

1:42:36

that particular sermon it premiered December 9th 2020 so I had not heard of apologia at that point um but given

1:42:44

given the timing and the year you know apologia is one of the few um if perhaps

1:42:49

one of the only churches that stayed open through Co in 2020 so now like Co is 4 years or so

1:42:56

in the rear your mirror you know good riddance at least for us anyway and and so given the context of you know he

1:43:04

there at at the time when this sermon premiered uh the lockdowns hit Phoenix Arizona in uh on March 21st uh 2020 and

1:43:13

I know that because that's the day I moved into my apartment so that's when the lockdowns hit and I was kind of scrambling to get a whole bunch of stuff

1:43:19

that's another story so we're less than nine months out from the lockdowns hitting Phoenix with the the the order

1:43:28

for churches to shut down the governmental order the mandates for churches to shut down and Jeff in

1:43:34

defiance to tyranny maintained keeping apologia open um uh and fulfilling the

1:43:41

the biblical command to worship so I haven't listened to that particular sermon I will check out but given that

1:43:48

it premiered December 9th 2020 and apologia was a much smaller church at the time than where it is now I think if

1:43:54

I had to guess again I haven't listened he what he is trying to explain to the people of the church is that what we are

1:44:01

doing you know even though it's a risk again not having heard the sermon I'm going to my understanding of him you

1:44:07

know he is my pastor I've been going to apologia for uh two to three years yeah at least at least two and a half years

1:44:13

at this point so having listened to a number of his sermons both in person having talked to him and listen to a

1:44:19

number of his online sermons if I can guess what he's probably saying it's what we are doing as righteous and

1:44:25

godly to be here and to be gathering in worship on Sundays I would be surprised in fact I I can almost guarantee that he

1:44:32

wasn't saying let's take up arms and storm the capital and the reason why I know that is because he's currently

1:44:38

heading up and abortion now which is a multi-state effort to criminalize uh

1:44:43

abortion equal protection you know if a if a if a if a pre-born baby is made in

1:44:48

the image of God just like a born baby and we would we would prosecute someone for murder for killing a born baby we

1:44:54

should prosecute someone for murder for killing an unborn baby so um so this is end abortion now this is the this is the

1:45:00

legislative effort that he is heading up to pass bills of abolition in the state

1:45:05

houses of I think it's something like 18 states now if he were truly against

1:45:10

rising up in Rebellion to government he wouldn't be introducing 18 bills of abolition to be passed through the

1:45:17

normal legislative channels right he would be saying let's take down the state houses God forbid and and and end

1:45:24

this tyranny once and for all no he's actually pouring forth his personal effort and a significant amount of

1:45:29

effort from members of the church to get bills of abolition abolition passed to go through the normal legislative

1:45:35

channels and so if I had to guess what Pastor Jeff is saying in this sermon it's Defiance the tyon is is no we will

1:45:44

obey God and we will meet and we will gather and we will worship and we will defy tyrannical orders to shut down our

1:45:51

churches that's what I think he's saying without having listened to it so that's my defense of my that's exactly what

1:45:56

he's saying yeah okay good yeah just yeah so so yeah he he made this sermon in response to the to the lockdowns

1:46:03

right and um and and and that's exactly what he was talking about that's why I brought up the masks and and and the

1:46:09

mass mandates and everything like that um but um what what you were saying about you know uh what what or sorry

1:46:15

what Pastor Jeff Durban was saying throughout uh the sermon if if you watch you know he he takes the the the example

1:46:23

I gave and and he he misinterprets a lot of things to to

1:46:30

justify uh you know uh the position that you know we you know that that if if a

1:46:36

if a government is opposed to God or if a government is not acting as Ministers of God in the way that Romans 13 says

1:46:43

then that gives us a right to overthrow it and that's you know kind kind of the the case that that he make that he makes

1:46:50

and I'm not saying that you know he's he's all for you know going and and and

1:46:55

rebelling against the government right now but I'm saying that's the trajectory that's that's that's that's the

1:47:01

trajectory of where we're headed uh with the church exactly like Alice Bailey said you know uh that and and and this

1:47:08

is this has always been the aims of the new age to to to to use the church as a

1:47:14

mechanism to overthrow or to take down the Dark minations of the current world

1:47:20

system being Babylon and to us in the kingdom of God and and and what I'm

1:47:26

saying is you know uh all of these people are in alignment for this goal

1:47:33

and they're all locking arms right now in response to the Dark minations of the

1:47:40

New World Order and the globalist you know cabal and things like that and we're all headed into the direction to a

1:47:47

ecumenical multifaith Unity of humanity to just set aside our spiritual

1:47:53

differences just for a moment to you know to to join ourselves together as

1:47:58

humanity and to uh you know and to rebel against you know the against Babylon

1:48:05

essentially and I think I think I want to check I want to check something real I just want to sorry just to check real

1:48:10

quick you're not suggesting that that Jeff Durban and some of the and and

1:48:16

we'll pick on well we'll just go with Jeff that Jeff is part of any Interfaith

1:48:21

ecumenical movement are you suggest about that about Jeff Durban specifically or are you saying that about other people no no not not

1:48:28

necessarily that Jeff Durban specifically is a line of himself that's pretty important that doesn't sound like

1:48:33

him yeah yeah no no but I'm saying the trajectory of the church the the the the

1:48:38

way that the church is headed is an alignment it's in lock step with the new age and that's what this Great Awakening

1:48:45

is like you know the world is collectively waking up and the and the covid lockdowns and all this stuff I

1:48:52

think were a very big part of waking people up right you know people have to

1:48:58

be shown yeah right people have to people uh there's there's a quote I think it's from uh The Dark Knight you

1:49:05

know it's something along I think it's something along the lines of like you know you know people people aren't going

1:49:10

to you know wake up uh you know uh to their uh from their passivity you know

1:49:17

if everything's good you know you got to you got to put you got to give him some some chaos you got to you got to get on

1:49:22

on them a little bit and then people will will wake up from passivity and you know become active right and this is

1:49:29

this is the same concept I think that was applied to the covid lockdowns and

1:49:34

that the mandates and everything like that you know I I I I see what happened in 2020 as a very important uh aspect or

1:49:45

or mechanism of the Great Awakening because you know it's something that affected everybody and now every one has

1:49:53

their eyes hyper fixated on the overt darkness and the Tyranny and are

1:50:00

dropping their guards to their to the Allies that they're making the alliances that they're forming and and that's what

1:50:07

the Beast is it's it's it's an alliance of humanity against Babylon sure you

1:50:13

know Revelation 17:16 and and and that's exactly why people are going to think

1:50:18

when babylon's destroyed that's why people are going to think that Satan's Empire has finally been toppled and that

1:50:25

the millennial Kingdom's about to kick off you know the Thousand Years of peace and and that's exactly why they'll be saying peace and safety right before

1:50:33

sudden destruction and who brings that sudden destruction you know Christ returns and brings the sudden

1:50:38

destruction it's exactly like when Moses came down to the world you know to to the Israelites in idolatry you know the

1:50:44

same way Christ is going to return to to you know the world neck deep in golden

1:50:51

calf idolatry and an Unholy Alliance you know uh you know declaring peace and

1:50:57

safety right and and do and dominionism you know in it in its attempt to seize

1:51:04

the kingdom for itself disregards the importance of waiting in faith for what

1:51:10

we what will be given by God at the appointed time and you know the story of

1:51:15

David serves a really powerful example of this and you know although you know

1:51:21

anointed as the next king of Israel David had to endure a period of being

1:51:26

chased hunted and persecuted by Saul before he actually reigned and this

1:51:32

mirrors the suffering and endurance that Christ himself had to go through before

1:51:38

being glorified and it also reflects the path that the Saints must walk before

1:51:44

reigning with Christ particularly during the tribulation so Saul in his pursuit

1:51:49

of David serves as a foreshadowing of the Antichrist who will wage war with

1:51:54

the Saints and the Saints remaining steadfast in the true teachings of Christ and submitting to the Lord's to

1:52:02

the Lord with patience endurance and longsuffering symbolizes those who will

1:52:07

face persecution and just as God took the Kingdom from Saul and gave it to

1:52:13

David so too will he take the Kingdom from the Beast and give it to the Saints

1:52:19

at his return and the ultimate goal of the Great Awakening and Christian

1:52:24

dominionism is inadvertently to establish a counterfeit kingdom of God

1:52:30

on Earth where Humanity Rises up to dismantle the oppressive system

1:52:35

represented by the great Harlot that Reigns over the kings of the earth and the rising tensions that we're

1:52:42

witnessing between humanity and the globalist cabal are setting the stage

1:52:48

for the Fulfillment of these events and that's why when Babylon finally Falls there will be a collective cry peace and

1:52:55

safety you know Revelation 14:12 it emphasizes the importance of what the

1:53:02

patience of the Saints those who keep the Commandments of God and maintain the

1:53:08

faith in Jesus just like the Apostle Paul talked about fighting the good fight Keeping the Faith winning the race

1:53:16

and the endurance this this endurance is crucial in the face of Temptations Just

1:53:22

is Jesus faced when Satan offered him the kingdoms of the world and as I said earlier Jesus recognizes as a deceptive

1:53:29

shortcut that went against God's plans you know so through suffering and endurance Jesus fulfilled his mission as

1:53:35

the savior of the World by triumphing over sin and death for the Salvation of

1:53:41

all who believed in him and sadly uh you know those who have Twisted faith will

1:53:48

view the Saints as doom and gloomer who who oppos this Awakening who oppos this

1:53:55

quote unquote Revival which is actually the strong delusion that second

1:54:00

Thessalonians talks about and they will liken the Saints to the prophets of Bal

1:54:06

and who did juu kill in the Old Testament the prophets of B you know in

1:54:11

the same way proponents of the Great Awakening will seem to will will seek to eliminate the Saints Who Remain rooted

1:54:20

in the spirit and exemplify pain in John 16:2 it's foretold that Those

1:54:27

Who Kill the Saints will believe they're doing God's service by advancing his

1:54:33

kingdom through these actions and it's not a coincidence that the goals of the

1:54:38

Christian dominionist Movement the Great Awakening and the new age all align

1:54:44

across the board in their desire to materialize the kingdom of God on Earth

1:54:51

through human efforts of worldwide Awakening and rebellion and you know uh

1:54:57

Alice Bailey in her in her book a tretis on white magic she speaks extensively

1:55:02

about how the Aquarian age will come about through through the defeat of the minations of the Black magicians the the

1:55:10

the rulers of the world treaties on sorry you said a treaties on white magic yes a treaties a treaties on white magic

1:55:17

it's one of Alice Bailey's biggest books and you know this this false light

1:55:23

movement that we're witnessing Rising encompasses you know different beliefs

1:55:28

and and different worldviews and it's again it's forming an Unholy ecumenical

1:55:33

alliance with the common aim of exposing and overthrowing the Darkness of the

1:55:38

current world system and ushering in an age of light and the kingdom of God but

1:55:44

it's a false light and it's precisely how Satan will establish the real Beast

1:55:50

Kingdom again a counter version of God's Millennial Kingdom and you know I hate I

1:55:56

hate to be the guy that that that says this but postmillennialism you know this

1:56:01

idea that we that we the Saints are going to bring about the kingdom of God on Earth that we're going to bring about

1:56:07

the millennial reign of Christ is in total alignment with the new age it's in

1:56:15

total alignment with Alice Bailey's uh you know what Alice Bailey said about you know the church stepping up and stop

1:56:22

you know that the whole thing with Alice Bailey and all these new age teachers was the church needs to stop being so

1:56:27

passive and needs to step up and take the mantle of the world and Usher in the kingdom of God because people no longer

1:56:33

care about a possible heaven or probable hell they want the kingdom of God here in now and that's an exact alignment

1:56:41

with our flesh does my flesh want the kingdom of God to come on Earth today by our hands

1:56:47

absolutely absolutely people say but don't you want postmillennialism to be true of course I do of course my flesh

1:56:55

wants it to be true but that doesn't mean that we turn a blind eye to these

1:57:01

very troubling things that we see here you know and and and and we have to heed

1:57:09

the words of John 12 which remind us that those who love their lives and this

1:57:15

world will lose them but those who do not love their lives in this temporal world will keep them unto eternal life

1:57:22

just like in Matthew 24 you know it says that those you know the ones who endure

1:57:28

Until the End shall be saved doesn't say you know those who fight who you know who fight for the kingdom and you know

1:57:34

and and and and wage war against Satan will will be saved no it says Those Who

1:57:40

endure to the end will be saved Revelation 18 here is the patience of

1:57:48

the Saints and they overcame him by the blood of their testimony by the

1:57:53

testimony of Christ and they what they loved not their lives unto death so the

1:58:00

Saints overcome the Beast by not rebelling they overcome the Beast by not

1:58:06

loving their lives and laying them down as innocent men just as Jesus did just

1:58:13

as the apostles did just as the prophets did and knowing that everything was

1:58:19

under you know uh God's sovereignty and that we had we are promised like

1:58:26

Revelation chap 2:1 says a crown of life you know if we read Revelation I think

1:58:32

Revelation chapter 2:10 uh puts this brilliantly it says uh it says fear none

1:58:37

of the things which Thou shalt suffer behold the devil shall cast some of you

1:58:43

into prison that ye may be tried and ye shall have tribulation 10 days be thou

1:58:50

faithful unto death and I will give you a crown of life so it's not about this

1:58:56

fight between good forces and bad forces and righteous and unrighteous but it's

1:59:02

about Waring against the flesh it's about exemplifying the patience of the

1:59:07

Saints the faithfulness and Trust in God's perfect timing and and this is the

1:59:13

same test that Saul failed this is the same test that the Israelites failed and

1:59:18

uh you know and even David had momentarily lapses in judg because of you know his his physical

1:59:25

circumstances right and ultimately what we're seeing happening today you know

1:59:32

this this cyclical pattern of global events that we're observing it mirrors

1:59:38

uh occurrences you know not just in the Old Testament but throughout world's history and particularly the recurring

1:59:45

pattern of moral decline societal upheaval and the rise of charismatic

1:59:51

figures to restore order and in the Old Testament and today there are individuals who oppose Traditional

1:59:58

Values favoring Chaos evil sexual perversion child sacrifice and there's

2:00:05

another side which upholds you know Christian culture and natural and and national pride and alternatively you

2:00:13

could say that Jezebel represents the left advocating immorality while J the

2:00:20

false light promotes moral Mor it through an Unholy Unity with spiritual

2:00:25

enemies which is ecumenicism and the uh we we saw a similar Dynamic occur in

2:00:31

Nazi Germany illustrating a contrast between Godless morality and Godless

2:00:38

immorality you know so soorry unpack the Nazi I I have responses to a lot of this

2:00:44

but I want you to unpack the Nazi thing real quick just because there's a lot of there's a lot of yeah unpack that real

2:00:50

quick yes yes yes so so okay so uh before Hitler's rise right Germany

2:00:56

experienced a period of heightened immorality during the wear Republic akin

2:01:02

to J's Rise Against bism and this pattern of immorality followed by the

2:01:09

rise of a savior figure repeats all throughout history and today we see

2:01:16

Traditional Values are under attack amidst a surge of immorality including LGBT is issues violence racism and

2:01:24

abortion all reaching barbaric levels and I mean you know the modern practice

2:01:29

of abortion you know even up to birth I think reflects a disturbing selfishness

2:01:35

surpassing even ancient Pagan sacrifices in my opinion yes so I want to I want to be careful real quick just about the

2:01:41

Nazi thing because this is something that I know about like so you're not suggesting that like that there was anything Christian about the Nazis

2:01:47

because they they absolutely they absolutely were not they were like they were Pagan uh green socialist

2:01:54

environmentalists really they were nature worshippers there was nothing Christian about the Nazi regime or Hitler or any of them I just want to

2:02:01

make careful about that I'm saying that Hitler wore the mask of Christianity oh

2:02:08

he absolutely did not he absolutely did not I have a book about that that I've been reading it's been blowing my mind what I'm what I'm saying is CHR uh

2:02:17

Hitler disguised himself as a Christian to appeal to to the Christian masses he

2:02:24

advocated for something called positive Christianity which to the undiscerning

2:02:29

Christian probably sounded great especially in the face of the Godless

2:02:35

immorality that was prevalent at the time with the LGBT with uh you know the

2:02:42

sexual perversion with the Godless immorality you know the the uh Hitler's

2:02:48

posit quote unquote positive Christianity seemed like righteousness

2:02:53

and it's the same it's the same way that J's you know uh misguided Zeal seemed

2:03:00

like righteousness against Jezebel who was an obviously blatantly dark and evil

2:03:08

uh Force you know and and and what I'm saying is this cycle repeats of of of of

2:03:16

Godless immorality rising up societal upheaval and then a charismatic figure

2:03:25

to oppose it that leads people into an unprecedented idolatry and false

2:03:32

Christianity okay like going back to okay as long as you're not saying that the Nazis were the Nazis were Christian

2:03:37

because they they weren't but I can see like one of the one of the situations that that Hitler was facing was that Germany was still uh very largely a

2:03:44

Christian Nation and he understood that he couldn't speak out against the church because his own popularity would suffer

2:03:50

and he was a natural ideolog and so and so but he had he had conclusive plans to dismantle

2:03:55

Christianity from within Germany and replace it with his ariosophy kind of pagan beliefs if they had won the war

2:04:01

which they didn't do so like so long as you're not suggesting that because that is that is one of the lies that's been painted about the Nazi regime is that

2:04:08

they somehow represent Christianity and capitalism and it's been used to slander Christians and capitalism but the Nazis

2:04:14

were not were not Christian by any stretch of the imagination and in Hitler's table talk um which is a largely unknown book about notes from

2:04:20

many conversations that he had that were that were transcribed he was vocally opposed to Christianity and and was much

2:04:26

more much more of a of a pagan nature wor worshipper than anything however I also can see what you're saying that

2:04:33

like that a charismatic figure wearing a mask can sucker undiscerning people into

2:04:39

unrighteous action which I think is the point that you're making agree with that part yes that's what I'm saying and I'm

2:04:45

saying that Hitler is a prototype of the Antichrist I'm saying that Hitler is is

2:04:53

is let's say a dress rehearsal for what the Antichrist is going to rise like and

2:05:00

you know yeah and and if we think about um will the Antichrist be anti-semitic sorry go ahead I didn't mean to cut you

2:05:05

off well well that that that's a big that's a big that's a big part of of

2:05:10

what Hitler was all about right he was about he was about opposing the Jewish

2:05:17

World Order he was about opposing Jewish globalism he pronounced that the enemy

2:05:22

was Judah right the Antichrist is is is going to do the same but in a different

2:05:27

way right because we see in re in Revelation that the Beast and the Harlot

2:05:34

they're aligned and United in the beginning but not in the end right so

2:05:39

the beast in Revelation 17 carries the Harlot so um so so so the har so the it

2:05:48

the text points to that the fact that the Harlot doesn't you know it doesn't control the Beast right they're two

2:05:54

separate separate entities that are in in alignment for for a be for in the beginning and what and you know when you

2:06:01

look at like these these Q circles and like a lot of these Great Awakening proponents like Ariel proletario on on

2:06:08

Twitter who's grown massively by the way you know he he says it all yeah yeah he

2:06:13

says it all the time that you know what we're in witnessing is Donald Trump is

2:06:20

infiltrating uh is infiltrating Zionism to expose it and then eventually it's

2:06:25

going to turn around and destroy it but it's but it's but it's but it's very interesting you know Q also says we are

2:06:32

saving Israel for last right but think about it Babylon Babylon represents the

2:06:39

jewish-led New World Order that's what Babylon is it's this Global regime that

2:06:45

we're under right now and the Antichrist is going to be the guy who comes in to H

2:06:52

to to overthrow it to dismantle it and that's what Hitler tried to do he tried

2:06:59

to overthrow the Jewish ma the jewish-led talmudic

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minations of of you know the the the globalist uh uh communist New World

2:07:11

Order which he pointed to the Jews yeah which he pointed to the Jews yeah you

2:07:16

know and and that's the same thing happening now you know uh uh and and and

2:07:21

that's what the Awakening is all about it's all about figuring out who's behind the Matrix if you think about the movie

2:07:28

The Matrix you know uh Neo starts off he's in a dark room and his computer

2:07:34

screen lights up and it says you know wake up Neo the nature The Matrix has you follow the White Rabbit yeah and you

2:07:40

know Neo you know he goes on this journey into discovering the prison that

2:07:46

he's that he was in and the controllers behind it and that's what Humanity doing

2:07:51

right now in the same way that in the occult uh inversion or in in the occult

2:07:58

Narrative of the Garden of Eden story you know they see Adam and Eve as prisoners in the garden as the as the

2:08:06

Garden of Eden being the Matrix of Adam and Eve's oppression and that God being

2:08:11

the architect of the Matrix right they see Lucifer the serpent as being the

2:08:18

Liberator as offering the red pill to Eve in the same way that Morpheus offers

2:08:24

the red pill to Neo right so the red pill is essentially the the the modern

2:08:31

equivocation of the tree of knowledge that if we eat of it we will open our

2:08:36

eyes to the Matrix the prison planet that we're living in and the architect

2:08:41

behind it and it's a way to frame God as Satan and it goes back to why I call it

2:08:48

agnostic Rebellion because it's it's mislabeled in God as Satan and it's

2:08:53

exactly it it it mirrors the the way that Satan caused the angels to rebel

2:09:00

against God by playing on their sovereignty by playing on their their uh

2:09:07

self their self-identity you know uh uh and and and and that's exactly what's

2:09:13

happening right now you know uh uh Satan is is is framing God as the tyrannical

2:09:21

Force behind the new world's order it's exactly what D if you listen to people like David Ike if you listen to people

2:09:27

like you know all these people when they're talking about the archons when they're talking about the spiritual force behind the new world order they're

2:09:35

talking about God and they're mislabeling him as Satan and that's what the Awakening is about it's about it's

2:09:42

about it's about unveiling The Matrix of our existence the architect behind it as

2:09:48

Yahweh painting him as Satan and it's about taking yes exactly and that's and that's

2:09:56

what it's what happening this Rebellion that's happening is is rooted in in in

2:10:01

the Gnostic framework yeah and and and that's and that's exactly why we see so

2:10:08

many people right now uh you know coming together and and and talking about you

2:10:14

know uh The Architects of the Matrix the spiritual forces behind the Matrix and

2:10:20

and and and The Matrix itself you know being a a Jewish uh a jewish-led control

2:10:27

system but this Jewish this Jewish Matrix that we're living under is not

2:10:32

the beast but is in fact the Harlot who the Beast Rises up to destroy right and

2:10:39

like I said the Beast and the Harlot they're aligned in the beginning but not in the end and and and I think this all

2:10:46

switches at the abomination of desolation and I think this is why Jesus warns that those who are in Judea when

2:10:54

they see the abomination of desolation take place those who are into Judea to run to flee to the mountains and you

2:11:02

know uh and and that's a and that's and that's ultimately you know the the the

2:11:07

Beast is is is is being used by God to bring judgment on Babylon just like uh

2:11:15

you know the Rome was used a as a hand of God to bring judgment on Jerusalem in

2:11:21

70 AD and like how God used the Assyrians to bring judgment against God in the old sorry against uh against uh

2:11:29

Israel in the Old Testament um it's it's it's we're literally just watching a

2:11:34

recurring cyclical pattern of events that are just that are getting more

2:11:40

bigger and bigger each time and it's all pointing to the final fulfillment where

2:11:47

the world will awaken to the dark minations of the of of the Jews to rise

2:11:55

up and Destroy her and God now you're saying that's a manipulation by the way

2:12:02

that's because because there's a postmillennialism makes an important point about that particularly with

2:12:07

regard to what Paul says in Romans um about the relationship of the Jews to the Fulfillment of um the Fulfillment of

2:12:14

time let's say about the grafting back in of the of the vine like that's a pretty important point that he makes

2:12:20

yeah well this goes into Jacob's trouble and how you know uh how how there is a

2:12:26

time you know uh just like in the and just like uh in uh I think in the Book

2:12:31

of Amos it talks about the day the coming day of the Lord where there will be great trial and tribulation on

2:12:37

Jerusalem and and this has happened you know throughout history in different ways and it's all pointing to the final

2:12:45

great and terrible day of the Lord where God will deliver Jerusalem into the hands of her enemy

2:12:51

for her harlotry and and through this judgment after this Jacob's trouble uh

2:12:57

you know the veil over their eyes will be lifted that's what Revelation is all about you know in Romans 11 Paul talks

2:13:05

about you know there there there's a veil covering the eyes of the Jews that they do that they do not believe but

2:13:10

it's all part of God's plan and Revelation is about the lifting of that bail you know and yeah exactly and and

2:13:19

that's exactly what we're seeing we're seeing we're seeing God sending a strong delusion to overtake the Gentile Nations

2:13:27

to form an Unholy ecumenical multifaith Alliance that will culminate into the

2:13:33

Beast to ultimately rise up and bring judgment on Babylon okay and okay so so I want I I

2:13:41

want to get to that and because I think this stuff is really important I want to talk about Romans 11 because I think that's also really important but before

2:13:47

before we do that I want to put a bunch of pieces together um for for the audience and because I think I think we

2:13:52

can um I think we can narrow down some some important points if I do that so um

2:13:58

the one of the things that you brought up that I really like about what you said is is how we relieve suffering as

2:14:04

men so and so when we're when we're in pain when we're suffering I don't mean

2:14:09

physically I don't mean like you know if obviously if you if you have a cut you know put a bandage on it you know if you have a headache take aspirin I'm talking

2:14:16

about spiritual societal you know like environmental kind of suffering where do

2:14:21

we go to for Relief right the answer the correct answer is Christ we flee to

2:14:27

Christ for Relief again I recommend the book uh trust in God by Jerry Bridges for more but I think I think what what

2:14:33

you're saying and I think you're right about this is that a lot of a lot of uh undiscerning Christians in this

2:14:39

environment of suffering will be driven into the arms of this ecumenical Movement we need to band together take

2:14:46

control of the world to relieve our suffering so abandon the teachings of Christ abandon faithfulness and

2:14:52

submission to him and just put this put maybe it's not so much as a pinch of incense but just you know ignore some of

2:14:59

these teachings because we have to Ally with our brothers we have to Ally with this face and this faith and these

2:15:04

people and if we all just come together we can overcome these struggles you can

2:15:09

flee rather than you know fleeing into the arms of Christ we'll flee into the arms of these of the nations of these

2:15:15

various Idols of nationalism to relieve our suffering so I think that's I think that's a a really yeah I think that's a

2:15:22

really dead-on observation and it's something that I've seen a lot of and and the new age is excellent to this

2:15:28

because what the new age does is it manipulates um primarily women but also

2:15:33

men as well rather than if they're if they have anxiety or if they have various forms of emotional troubles like

2:15:40

flee to the arms of iasa or flee to the arms of you know of meditation or flee

2:15:45

to crystals or or or sound healing or or whatever rather than fleeing in to or or

2:15:51

submitting that this is God's will for your life and trying to draw lesson trying to draw lessons from it now there

2:15:58

there's a lot of gray area in there obviously that we can that we can get into like it's not inappropriate to talk

2:16:04

about with someone that you care about things that hurt you know so you can bring them into the open and find

2:16:09

Healing as long as the healing that you find is from scripture right so so I don't want anyone to say like I'm just

2:16:15

supposed to silently struggle through stories of whatever abuse or abandonment or whatever the the the heal healing is

2:16:21

meant to be found in in scripture and I find that there are very few people that are trained to heal people that way but you you're supposed to flee to Christ

2:16:27

flee to God's word you know and to find Healing okay so so in yes okay so in

2:16:33

that one of the things that that I've been paying attention to at least for the past three and a half years since

2:16:38

I've been uh running this podcast is Christian men's relationship to power

2:16:44

like what what does that look like there seems to be this uneasy kind of feeling and it shows up most uh predom Min in

2:16:52

Christian men talking about physical fitness right so if you're supposed to or or also financial success there's a

2:16:58

way in which a lot of Christian men and women as well but men in particular related to power will refuse to get in

2:17:04

shape will refuse to um acquire wealth you know and we'll use verses like oh

2:17:09

physical training is of some value right to kind of refute this need to acquire power because Christians have this

2:17:15

uneasy relationship with it you know there's this balance between concept of Christian masculinity

2:17:21

and and also meekness strength and strength restrained and so a lot of people will use the notion of meekness

Men, Masculinity, and Meekness

2:17:27

to say well I should never acquire strength in the first place like that's absolutely not true you're supposed to

2:17:33

require acquire strength and you're also supposed to be strong enough to be able to restrain it VOD bacham uses this

2:17:39

wonderful example of if you give a weak man a sledgehammer and you tell him to lift up the sledgehammer and bring it

2:17:45

down and stop it just before the the tip of an egg he won't be able to do that because he's too weak but a strong man

2:17:51

will be able to take the sledgehammer and bring it right down right on the tip of the egg and not shatter the egg and so strength restrained is not the same

2:17:59

thing as weakness celebrated that was a popular tweet that I did so a lot of Christian men will celebrate weakness

2:18:05

believing that to be meekness and it's not so there's a necessity of Christian men to be able to develop and cultivate

2:18:12

and grow in forms of strength and what we might call power physical you know

2:18:18

physical and and uh we'll say material like res ources and stuff like that while not doing it um while not doing it

2:18:24

in service of itself so like if you acquire a bunch of wealth for the sake of just having the money it becomes

2:18:29

greed if you get in really great shape just for the sake of getting in really really great shape it becomes vanity

2:18:35

right it should be it should be put into greater service of God for the glory of God okay so so what that leads to then

2:18:43

is something that you said that I think is very right that the new age uh says that you can do what you want you are a

2:18:50

law unto to yourself uh do what thou Wilt shall be the whole of the law that's crowly right the the the

2:18:56

individual's ability to autonomously self-determined is is the is the signature of the of the new age and of

2:19:03

course it's very Fallen it's ultimately satanic that there is no law you can just do whatever do whatever you want

2:19:09

Satanism isn't about worshiping Satan as a deity it's about worshiping yourself ultimately the refutation of God's laws

2:19:16

having authority over you it's very very subtle but there's a difference between free freedom to do what I want versus

2:19:23

the freedom to do what I ought what I'm commanded to by God and so this is where

2:19:28

Jeff Durban can come back into the discussion the freedom to do what I ought is the freedom to be able to

2:19:34

gather and to worship I am commanded by God to be able to gather and worship and if the state comes in with unjust

2:19:41

mandates based on falsified science and an overreach of power I am as a man to

2:19:47

have the freedom to do as I ought which is the freedom to gather and Worship the Lord and to receive good teaching and to

2:19:53

take communion Etc and so if I as a man acquire power in the ways that we mean

2:19:59

it to be able to have establish the freedom to do what I ought I think that

2:20:05

is righteous I think that is ultimately righteous now that is not that I acquire the P power to do what I want that

2:20:12

becomes unrighteous that service to self right that's doing my will but the freedom to do what I ought is a very

2:20:19

different thing a very different posture and that is uh that is doing God's Will and so the the question that I have that

2:20:27

that I want us to kind of kick around for a little bit is can I as a man act

2:20:33

righteously in Christ even if Alice Bailey says hahaa you've playing right

2:20:40

into my plan right like even if she says what I really need Christians to do is to push back against the government and

2:20:46

so I as a man you know or me and my congregation or whoever acquires power

2:20:52

and stands up and says no we are going to gather and Worship the Lord together on Sunday in defiance of tyranny and

2:20:58

Alice Bailey somewhere in hell is like hahaha you're doing exactly what I planned right so how do we as individual

2:21:05

men have the discernment to know even if we're playing right into a devilish plan

2:21:10

that I'm still acting righteously in God and so the the the uh the thing that I have in response to that is to say is a

2:21:17

couple different things is one to be true Discerning with ourselves as men

2:21:22

and to say am I doing my will or am I doing God's Will and that comes down to

2:21:28

pursuit of Holiness and Holiness is not something that we talk a lot about uh these days there's a apparently the

2:21:34

classic book is is by JC riy Holiness are we truly pursuing that disciplines

2:21:39

of a Godly Man is another good example of a book like that are we truly pursuing Holiness in our own lives that

2:21:46

we're able to be Discerning with our intentions to know am I serving myself or am I serving God am I willing to be

2:21:52

am I willing to scrutinize my motivations to that degree and really question my own heart but then I think

2:21:58

and I think you'd agree with that but then I think the other and this is the point that we're getting to regarding like J or Hitler or charismatic figures

2:22:05

or whoever is what are the intentions of our leaders so if we have a leader who's saying to us you should follow me to do

2:22:13

X and we can't know that man's heart right and they're they're saying we

2:22:18

should be in defiance to government how are we like in whatever form that takes whether that means not wearing masks or

2:22:24

gathering on Sundays or charging the capital don't do that but or charging the capital right how are we supposed to

2:22:30

discern that man's heart and I think the answer for that is is because I don't think either of us either you or I

2:22:36

Donnie can say to another man what he should or shouldn't do I don't know that we can be prescriptive in that way

2:22:44

because I would say you should do X but I am no Authority and you would say you should do y but you're not any more

2:22:51

Authority than I am we're both looking at the same sets of scripture and coming up with different with different um

2:22:56

different interpretations of it and and neither of us has authority over another man's conscience and so if he's meant to

2:23:02

make a decision right he must be Discerning uh within himself is he

2:23:08

acting in accordance to God's will or his own will and I think all these questions are very very relevant and if

2:23:13

he's looking to follow somebody how is he supposed to know whether this is a good man that he should follow and I

2:23:19

think the only answer answer to that I think the only answer to that again assuming that you're in the word and

2:23:24

that you're in prayer you are living a righteous and Godly life so your your heart is clean your conscience is clean

2:23:30

before God you know and you're you're putting up the daily discipline to do that it's a it's an ongoing effort you're confessing sin you're worshiping

2:23:37

on Sundays you're doing Family Worship in the morning in the evening you're doing all the things right so you have a

2:23:42

rightly ordered conscience and then you see a man who's saying we need to do you

2:23:48

know as as Christians we need need to um assert ourselves politically in the

2:23:53

country I won't give it a label we need to assert ourselves economically and politically and so it would be possible

2:24:00

for um for someone who agrees with you not saying that they're wrong to say you shouldn't do that because we're supposed

2:24:06

to righteously submit to God's will for us right you could make that case and you have made that case I would on the

2:24:12

other hand say if you examine the fruits of the life of the man who was calling

2:24:18

you to do to do that does he have a family does he have a successful family does he have kids and grandkids has he

2:24:24

built prosperity for not just himself for other people has he I don't know written tons of books or I don't know

2:24:29

built a school or or all of this is he able to show that the fruits of my beliefs have manifested here on Earth

2:24:37

when someone can say that like my conscience and my daily discipline aligns and says there is something here

2:24:44

to listen to I think that that's valid I think that's I think that's a valid approach it's very delicate

2:24:50

because any person any individual any author any politician whoever that we put our faith and our trust in we're not

2:24:57

supposed to put our faith and trust in that person we're supposed to put it in Christ but if I as a man place my faith

2:25:03

in Christ and I get convicted to act in a certain way can I act in that way even

2:25:09

if it plays in quote unquote plays into the plans of of the of the wicked even

2:25:14

if they say haha I called this does that mean instead I should be like I should not act if my conscience convicts me to

2:25:21

act in a act in a certain way and so that's that's the point that I want to get to is that like different men can be

2:25:27

convicted and perhaps will be and perhaps should be convicted to act differently in this moment and is it

2:25:33

possible that there's no one prescriptive right action besides pursuing individual Holiness and

2:25:39

allowing our our conscience and allowing our our our um our spiritual discernment

2:25:45

to guide our actions because because I want to make it practical for people listening before we start getting into

2:25:51

cuz I think the conceptual stuff is really important I think talking about who are these leaders that are being paraded in front of us as the answer to

2:25:57

everything what are they really representing I think that those are great questions and I I do want to get into those and I also want to say like

2:26:03

is it possible for two different completely well-intentioned well-meaning men to process the same information in

2:26:10

in in two ways that leads to two different outcomes right right so do you

2:26:16

get what I'm saying do you get the question that I'm asking that's what I want that's what I want to land on yeah so so I think that when when we're

2:26:23

talking about stuff like this you know it is certainly a nuanced uh topic and discussion and we do and and that's

2:26:29

where discernment is is definitely needs to be the root of of everything we're talking about like like for example you

2:26:35

know the the meek shall inherit the earth you know um like me for example you know I go to the gym you know five

2:26:41

days a week you know I I'm not you know I'm not some like weak guy who just like let's whatever you know like yeah today

2:26:50

I was telling you about my legs are so sore I can I was I sced a couple leg days unfortunately but which you should

2:26:57

never do amen but but but you know um uh so you know you're right you're right

2:27:03

you know as as far as you know how our lives should look um but again you know

2:27:08

it all goes back to discernment you know earlier you talked about uh you know I me Alice Bailey's plans you know but

2:27:14

like again you know it's not necessarily Alice Bailey's plans but but rather the the spirits the spirit who you know she

2:27:21

channels she's merely a vessel right and even those spirits that she channels are merely puns for God's plan right and he

2:27:28

says you know and and God you know remember second Thessalonians you know God's the one who sends the delusion you

2:27:33

know and and that's the thing is like if if if you are in you know if if if you

2:27:40

are in Rebellion if you are in unrepented sin if you are walking in in in the flesh and not in the spirit you

2:27:46

know the arrow of delusion will find you it's exactly like King Ahab you know he had on a full set of armor you know and

2:27:54

he was neck deep in his delusions and you know he he didn't think you know he you know the Judgment of God will not

2:28:00

get me and what happened you know he got hit with an arrow right in between the crevice of his yeah you know what I mean

2:28:07

I read that this morning oh really oh wow there you go and and and you know it's it's it's it's it's it's a the

2:28:14

deeper spiritual meaning is you know we can put up so many walls and so many

2:28:19

defense is up you know but but but if we're not walking in obedience to the spirit the arrow of delusion will find

2:28:27

us and it will and it will be our downfall right yes so so so we need so

2:28:32

we need so we need to be very very careful and Discerning in all that we do and you know like I always say uh when

2:28:40

it comes to you know how we should how we should uh go about our lives what are

2:28:45

we here to do you know uh Jesus says not everyone who says to me Lord Lord will inherit the kingdom of heaven but those

2:28:51

who do the will of my Father in heaven and you know and what is the will of of of of of of our father you know and and

2:28:59

that and that is our sanctification you know that is you know going forth you know uh spreading the gospel filling our

2:29:06

oil uh F uh putting oil in our lamps walking in obedience to the spirit crucifying our flesh laying down our

2:29:12

desires uh following Christ you know Christ says you know Christ says pick up your cross and follow me right and all

2:29:21

throughout scriptures you know we see the call to to uh to to endure in our

2:29:27

trials to lay down what we want and to follow what what you know God's will

2:29:34

instead and um and and that can be very challenging especially in our current uh in our current world and you know all

2:29:42

the different uh complexities that that and and things that arise and I I I

2:29:49

think that again and you know if if if we want to find a model for how we

2:29:55

should go about our lives you know I think that we need to look back into scripture we need to look at how how did

2:30:02

Jesus you know how did he carry himself how did the apostles the prophets you

2:30:07

know we look even going back to the Old Testament you know look at job you know David you know um you know how how did

2:30:15

they uh uh handle themselves you look at you look at David mhm in his in his in

2:30:21

his uh battle against Goliath of the Philistines and you know a lot it it's

2:30:27

not just an Underdog Story right uh David using a

2:30:33

slingshot as a weapon instead of like a sword or something you know some you

2:30:39

know him using something that was that was seemingly unconventional in the eyes of the

2:30:46

world is is is it points to a deep spiritual meaning and message of

2:30:54

trusting in in in the Lord to give us what we need right in it's exactly like

2:31:01

um it's exactly like the Israelites in the desert you know um and and uh you

2:31:08

know they were complaining and they were you know they were they were you know they wanted some of them wanted to go

2:31:14

back to Egypt you know what I mean because they couldn't they couldn't endure you know and and you know going

2:31:20

back to David you know God God you know you know he used what God gave him and

2:31:27

it and it and although it may seem like it was not uh you know a a good enough

2:31:33

item I guess or tool against his enemies you know he it was it was it wasn't the

2:31:39

slingshot it wasn't his weapon it was his Reliance on God that took down

2:31:45

Goliath amen right and and and and in the same way you know

2:31:51

we have to we have to deeply consider these things I'm not saying to to go be

2:31:56

a weak man and just let people run over you that's not no no I don't think you're saying that I don't think you're saying that at all yeah I know a lot of

2:32:03

people I know a lot of people misinterpret or try to try to make make what I'm saying you know out out to be

2:32:09

that and and that's not it at all oh I don't hear you saying that yeah I'm I'm simply saying we need to we

2:32:16

need to be Discerning in all of our ways we need to be every day checking

2:32:21

ourselves you know am I really walking in obedience to the spirit or am I walking in obedience to the flesh like

2:32:27

it's not a one-time thing that we just think about and then we just move on like this is a daily struggle this is a

2:32:35

daily war against the flesh that we you know that we take that we take uh every

2:32:42

day we wake up you know what I mean it's not like you know I hear a lot of people say oh well you know I read the Bible a

2:32:47

couple years ago and you know you know it's like no like like you read you read

2:32:53

the Bible every day not all the Bible but it's a daily thing like like our walk is a daily struggle it's a daily

2:33:00

War you know and we have to be constantly looking in the mirror and and

2:33:08

and and asking ourselves if what we're doing is truly aligning with God's Will

2:33:14

and and we test that against the word of God yeah we test that against scripture

2:33:20

and you know and and we and and and when we look at all of the examples in

2:33:26

scripture you know they all point to a very consistent theme of uh you know of

2:33:35

enduring a little while on this Earth um you know uh being Sanctified you know uh

2:33:41

going through sanctification leading people to Christ being living examples of Jesus Christ on this Earth and um you

2:33:51

know and we will be rewarded for that you know we will be given a Crown of Life for that and that's and that's and

2:33:57

that's in start contrast to what we see happening today where people are you

2:34:02

know rising up you know trying to take back what they think they're entitled to

2:34:07

and this is you know that that's going to lead to them crying peace and safety when Babylon is thrown down when Babylon

2:34:13

is Fallen Babylon is Fallen they'll be crying peace and safety and and and and they're going to have a harsh reality

2:34:20

check when Christ comes back and sees the world you know that to he's going to

2:34:27

come back and essentially crash their party you know what I mean and and and

2:34:32

and what I'm warning about is is is yoking with the goals of the world

2:34:37

yoking with the rebellions and the movements of the world in pursuit of

2:34:42

something that may seem righteous but actually isn't it's like Jesus said to

2:34:49

the pH to the uh to the Pharisees and Sadducees in Matthew I want to say 23

2:34:54

where he says you guys are like whitewashed tombs you're painted white and beautiful on the outside but

2:35:00

inwardly are full of Dead Man's Bones right and in the same way you know God

2:35:06

doesn't pour blessings on a table full of Dead Man's Bones right he he he burns

2:35:15

down all the dead things and brings new life from them right he burns them down

2:35:22

and and brings new life and in the same way God's not going to pour a uh

2:35:29

blessings onto a world that is full of these Dead Man's Bones he is going to

2:35:37

come back just as the Bible says he is going to dash the kingdoms of the world

2:35:42

with the breath of his mouth and he is going to begin a new and that's where

2:35:49

you know the true kingdom of God will be brought to the Earth when the father has

2:35:55

made the son when when the father has made the enemies of the son his foot stol you know and that's something the

2:36:02

father does you know right so when I hear people talking about you know

2:36:09

throwing down the enemies of God and establishing the Kingdom of Heaven on

2:36:14

Earth today here and now I I don't think enough people are

2:36:20

really taking a moment to reflect because it sounds it's so close and

2:36:26

that's the thing with all this stuff it's so close to the truth and that's

2:36:32

why it's a powerful delusion it's 99 truths to with one big lie etched into

2:36:40

it and that's the thing the best lie has the most truth in it and and more and

2:36:47

more people are accepting these clever uh lies mixed with truth because

2:36:56

they're so hyperfixated on their physical circumstances it's exactly like

2:37:02

when Peter was overcome by fear of the wind and the waves in the storm on the boat

2:37:10

and Jesus said just focus on me and

2:37:15

Peter was so overcome with the fear of his physical circumstances that he lost

2:37:22

focus of Jesus Christ and that's when he began to sink and it's exactly like

2:37:28

later on in the Garden of Gethsemane when you know Peter uh you

2:37:35

know he drew his sword and he sliced the ear of a Roman Authority and you know

2:37:41

Jesus quickly rebuked him for this and you know Peter at the time he thought he

2:37:47

he thought he was doing the right thing caught up in the moment right seeing the physical circumstances he got caught up

2:37:54

in the moment and did that and he didn't see what God was really doing there he

2:38:00

didn't you know he he couldn't see that this was all part of God's plan for

2:38:06

Redemption and restoration and in the same way people are losing sight today

2:38:12

that what's happening is all part of God's Plan of Redemption and restoration

2:38:18

and they're losing focus focus and they're and they're drawing their sword

2:38:23

uh and they're and they're and they're and they're taking matters into their own hands and they're doing these things

2:38:29

because of their fear of the physical circumstances there's a really good uh passage in Isaiah 8 I want to say it's

2:38:37

Isaiah 8 uh 21 through

2:38:43

20 five but uh yeah but yeah so it's it's

2:38:48

uh do not call conspiracy all that these people call

2:38:54

conspiracy and do not fear what they fear nor be in dread but the Lord of

2:38:59

hosts him you shall honor is Holy let him be your fear and let him be your

2:39:05

dread and he will become a sanctuary and a stone of offense and a rock of

2:39:10

stumbling to uh to both the houses to both houses of Israel um so essentially you know what

2:39:18

it's saying is you know don't fear what the world fears you know don't share the

2:39:24

anxieties of the world this is what's happening right now you know as I scroll down my newsfeed and I'm looking all

2:39:30

over and I'm guilty of this too people are fearing their physical circumstances

2:39:37

because of all of the overt darkness and evil and tyranny that's transpiring and

2:39:43

because of this fear they're losing focus and they're not seeing the bigger

2:39:48

picture what God's doing see job he saw the bigger picture he saw God's hand in

2:39:56

his calamities and his tribulations he didn't say that he was under attack by Satan he didn't say you know he didn't

2:40:03

allow that to harden his heart and say you know oh Satan must really hate me

2:40:08

I'm I'm a true you know I'm a true champion for God Satan must hate me you know and he didn't Harden himself no he

2:40:16

said the Lord gives and the Lord takes away and that's what we need and that's the mentality that's going to get us to

2:40:23

overcome the tribulation period right but what's happening right now is such

2:40:28

an influx of this optimism in the world we're gonna win we're gonna have Victory

2:40:35

we're gonna have peace peace it's exactly like the hundreds of false prophets in Jeremiah's day where where

2:40:43

they were saying they were all collectively declaring peace peace when there was no peace at all and there was

2:40:50

only one true Prophet which was Jeremiah who was telling them about God's looming

2:40:57

judgment and tribulation that was going to befall upon them but they didn't want to hear it they said how dare you quell

2:41:05

our optimism how dare you uh that's my son's toy I stepped on uh how you how

2:41:12

dare you you you you you know you you come here with your fear and your doom

2:41:17

and gloom and what do they do they threw him in jail and this is a

2:41:23

picture of what's going to happen to the Saints during the tribulation they're

2:41:28

going to be seen in the same light and they're going to be persecuted just the same as I said earlier John

2:41:34

16:2 verely I say unto you a time is coming where those who will kill you

2:41:39

will believe that they're doing a service to God they will believe that

2:41:44

they're doing God's Will by killing you and this is what all this

2:41:50

optimism is is setting the stage for and and and you know I hate to be that guy

2:41:56

but you know we see this rise o of of postmillennialism and all this and we

2:42:02

see this rise of optimism and misguided hope in the world and the here and now

2:42:09

and you know I think we just should should just take a step back and and and and think like for a second like like is

2:42:16

this truly you know uh is is is this is this truly the the path of the spirit is

2:42:24

this truly the narrow path you know or is this the wide path you know and

2:42:30

remember remember in Proverbs it says you know do not turn your foot to the left nor to the right but remove it from

2:42:36

Evil you know there's multiple ways to fall away so many people think that you

2:42:41

know there's two sides and that you know it's it's uh you're either you're either

2:42:47

on the the freedom move or you're with you're with the tyranical New World Order you know but it's like

2:42:54

there's so many ways to Fall Away uh you know and and and and this is this is

2:43:00

just you know these are all things that we just have to really consider in our daily walk what's what's so interesting

2:43:06

about this is is one of the um one of the criticisms of uh of the way that

2:43:13

premillennialism has typically been framed uh in in let's say uh in American

2:43:20

culture evangelicalism is that its retreatist and it's defeatist and it has led to a generation of of uh of weak men

2:43:29

hiding in their basements and so uh one of the things that initially appealed to me and that still appeals excuse me it

2:43:35

still appeals to me about postmillennialism is that it's very much an active out in the world not defeatist

2:43:42

um posture uh it it we'll call it uh more quote unquote masculine if you will

2:43:48

um but what's really interesting about what you what I hear you saying is uh the the the premillennial position that

2:43:57

uh that you've described is not retreatist or defeatist at all it's actually it has its own particular very

2:44:04

important flavor of uh of masculinity of the ability to Faithfully endure

2:44:10

hardship and I think it's a position that that uh that a man can really land

2:44:16

in and say ultimately I don't know which Direction so I'll I'll speak for myself

2:44:21

ultimately I don't know which direction the world is going to is going to go in those things belong to God the future

2:44:27

could either be you know a long slow steady decline or less slow you know and

2:44:32

and uh and and perhaps the drawing back of the veil as we see ultimate uh reality played out in front of us or it

2:44:39

could be a down slope that we're on for a little while as we begin the next UPS slope you know as we begin to expand and

2:44:46

and uh and uh he will reain until he puts all the nations under his feet like the more post-millennial Vision

2:44:51

ultimately I don't know ultimately I as an individual do not know the future surprise surprise so so I think the way

2:44:57

that I've the way that I've kind of parsed this myself is that I um I will

2:45:04

uh I act in the world in a hopeful fashion like hope for the best and

2:45:11

expect the worst right and so and so I think that's kind of perhaps a place where you and I can both um and perhaps

2:45:17

I think where we do meet in the middle is to say whichever the direction whichever the direction whichever

2:45:23

direction the future goes in is not is not up to us but I as a man am

2:45:28

responsible for how I conduct myself no matter which future comes so if a future

2:45:35

if a future comes where it is it is p persecution you know uh uh various

2:45:40

degrees of the worst case scenario I am still responsible for behaving like a

2:45:45

Christian man and that there is scriptural support for how for what that looks like submission faithfulness you

2:45:52

know uh the uh rejoicing in all circumstances sing singing in the jail in Philippi exam endless and endless

2:45:59

examples and I I really like the example that you pull out of of David where David was God's anointed and yet he

2:46:06

still had to flee and run and suffer persecutions before he could righteously inherit the throne and so there's a way

2:46:11

in which we can we can adopt that posture and still be men and not Retreat to our basements and just like you know

2:46:17

twiddle our thumbs until the end comes like we can still be men in the world and still righteously endure suffering

2:46:22

as Christ did and there's also a way to be a man in the world which is to which

2:46:28

is to uh sanctify yourself build uh build righteous Prosperity build Fitness

2:46:33

build wealth you know build community and and begin to move out there and use the existing um the existing levers of

2:46:41

government and the economy you know to assert an amount of dominion now ultimately which direction things go is

2:46:47

not really up to us right it will go the direction God chooses for it to go but if I can be a man either way then I

2:46:54

think that that's a really powerful perspective that I think men can hear that there's nothing wrong with

2:47:00

submitting as a man to God's righteous judgment and accepting the reproof even

2:47:06

generationally even I was listening to in fact I was listening to a Jeff Durban sermon this morning um about how the 40

2:47:13

years in the wilderness was was designed to weed out the faithless generation right so more faithful rise up now we

2:47:19

might be looking at something similar our own 40 years in the American wilderness as we weed out a couple generations of faithlessness and there's

2:47:26

been a lot of that and I as a man can still go through that in a masculine way

2:47:31

but until that day comes should it come I can go through my life in in a masculine way as well and the

2:47:37

post-millennial position paints that picture because we're still in this ambiguous we don't exactly know what's

2:47:43

going to happen agenda 2030 could land on all of our heads like a ton of bricks and it could be we could own nothing and

2:47:50

and be happy or own nothing and be faithful I suppose or you know we could

2:47:55

see a massive a massive Revival through prayer right or we can see we could see

2:48:01

you know faithful Christian men getting elected to office and putting up roadblocks to unjust legislation like

2:48:06

the path could go lots of different directions but I can still I am I can and I am responsible to be a man in

2:48:14

whatever the circumstances are and I think that's what's that's one of the really important things that I hear you

2:48:20

saying and that I resonate with very strongly is to say like you might be right and if you are right like I'm

2:48:27

responsible for how I conduct myself as a man and to conduct myself in a in a in a in a in a manly way and not surrender

2:48:34

my faith as a man to make an allegiance with a false idol whether that F false

2:48:40

idol be the new age or whether it be americanism or whether it be nationalism as an idol I am responsible as a man for

2:48:47

not giving into idolatry to relieve my suffering and and I think that is such a

2:48:53

that's a crucial thing that I hear you saying yeah absolutely uh you're absolutely right and and one of I think

2:49:00

one of the really important things I guess to get to get across is is the

2:49:05

fact that you know we shouldn't you know whether or not you know there there is

2:49:11

uh you know this this Collective Revival or whatever we shouldn't put our hope in it correct you know we shouldn't put our

2:49:17

our faith in in in worldly uh you know uh uh Solutions or victories or anything

2:49:25

like that you know we should we should you know be steadfast in our in our walk in obedience to the spirit conducting

2:49:32

ourselves as Christ calls us to conduct ourselves and you know and and and

2:49:39

Faithfully you know uh waiting in patience uh like like Revelation says

2:49:44

the patience of the Saints for God's promises to be fulfilled it's exactly

2:49:49

like um you know uh David his uh he had a momentarily a moment a momentary lapse

2:49:57

in his judgment uh when he was being persecuted by Saul at one point you know

2:50:02

he uh it caused it actually led him into sin and he ended up running into the

2:50:11

arms of his enemies into the Philistine Camp which he was famous for defeating

2:50:17

and you know and and instead of laying in bed at night and and and reciting the

2:50:24

promises of God you know he was allowing The Whispers of the enemy to creep in

2:50:31

you know and and what we need to be careful of is that we keep God's

2:50:38

promises in view of our daily walk and not you know let let uh the fears and

2:50:45

anxieties of this world guide us right you either have fear of the Lord or you

2:50:51

have fear in the world and you can't have both in the same way that you can't have two masters right you will you will

2:50:59

naturally love one and reject the other right so um so what I'm saying here is

2:51:08

that you know uh we we we we can't allow these uh

2:51:14

you know the fears of the world guide us but rather let the fear or rather the

2:51:20

awe and reverence of God guide us because we shouldn't fear those who can

2:51:26

kill the body but fear the one who can kill the body and destroy the soul in

2:51:31

Hell amen well I definitely um 1,00% agree with with fearing the Lord and not

2:51:38

fearing the world and I think it's really easy um for for everyone who's so

2:51:45

pluged myself included so plugged into screens Twitter you know whatever

2:51:50

favorite influencer on YouTube not even saying cable news anymore but like even if you don't follow anything in the

2:51:56

mainstream media the quote unquote alternative Media or even the the this new thing called The Conspiracy media is

2:52:03

so invested and getting people absolutely terrified of the world that

2:52:08

it drives them away from scripture and starts driving them again to relieve

2:52:14

their suffering and relieve Their Fear with anything but the word of God so like so with that with that in mind I

2:52:21

wonder if um I wonder if you can I you and I can take apart some of the deceptions that are going on currently

2:52:27

and like just show them for what they are because I think not just in the news but also like various various

2:52:33

charismatic figures who are being raised up to sort of you know to sort of say like hey men and women listening like

2:52:39

don't look o don't look over there don't do the squirrel thing like look look look into the word of God so maybe we can take apart some of the deceptions

2:52:46

you know and uh and and Free People of the fear that they might be experiencing yeah well you know what's

2:52:52

really interesting is you know the increasing lore of truism and you know

2:52:58

the Great Awakening mindset and mentality that is ens snaring many with

2:53:04

uh with a framework that's strikingly reminiscent of ancient gnosticism and uh in gnosticism you know

2:53:12

with its really seductive premise it it suggests that salvation comes from

2:53:17

uncovering ing hidden knowledge or truths that have been deliberately

2:53:22

obscured from humanity and uh you know this this perspective it it really

2:53:29

Echoes throughout the quarters of time from uh for perpetrating 911 you know in

2:53:35

the same way you know Satan is framing God and His angels as being the create

2:53:42

uh the creators and the perpetrators of the New World Order and um you know

2:53:49

and and and mislabeling him as Satan right which goes back to narcism

2:53:55

again you know so so um so I I want to go back to Thanos for a second because you you had

2:54:02

I think you said something really interesting that that like Thanos claims for himself Godlike power to control the

2:54:08

entire universe and make half of half of the entire Cosmos disappear and in order

2:54:13

to push back on on Thanos the the human

2:54:19

the superhumans right need to unite to push

2:54:24

back on to push back on on Thanos who's standing in for God and that's that's

2:54:29

really interesting that you say that because I I saw those movies and it's like the Marvel movies can only exist in

2:54:35

in a universe without an actual God God like that question never comes up right

2:54:40

it never like it would ruin it would ruin the whole well you know truthfully most of the movies that we've that we've

2:54:47

that we've seen in in Hollywood for the past 50 years would be ruined by the presence of a God right so but but like

2:54:53

he does really claim for himself like Godlike power and it's like you know to

2:54:59

to to make this decision and it's like the people have to rise up they have to rise up with like faith in themselves

2:55:05

and their own superhuman abilities to push back on that that's really that's really interesting it is ultimately a it

2:55:11

is ultimately like it's this empowering SL disempowering message like I will never be Iron Man or Thor but it's like

2:55:18

there's still this there's still this implicit message that like there's something there's something uniquely special about you like you are the

2:55:25

superhero right and so in in in a world without real heroes like real real true

2:55:32

heroes standing on a firm foundation like what's the what's the the the the biggest hero that we've had in American

2:55:39

culture quote unquote hero you know for the past decade I I think most people would probably say depending on your

2:55:44

political alignment I suppose be would be Trump exactly the closest thing to your hero but like I in 2016 I was I was

2:55:52

down in South America right so I wasn't paying attention to the election I was liberal at the time I just kind of assumed that it would be Hillary

2:55:58

Clinton's coronation and it wasn't until after the election that I was like okay there was clearly something going on

2:56:04

here that I didn't understand so I reached out to my friends who had posted on Facebook at the time like like hey

2:56:10

hey Trump won I clearly didn't understand the phenomenon will you explain it to me and then they explained

2:56:15

to me why they voted for him and I was like oh oh my gosh I listened to his own speeches and I was like I realized it

2:56:21

been totally lied to and then you know sort of like a lot of the a lot of the pizza gate stuff was happening at the

2:56:26

time which I was familiar with some of that stuff and that was a giant rabbit hole but then he took on this hero likee

2:56:32

status for a lot of people but he but now like I wasn't Christian at the time

2:56:38

but looking back at time eight years hard to believe it was eight years ago wow yeah right looking back in time it's

2:56:44

like there was no way he was coming from a Christian Foundation no matter if he was holding up Bible or standing outside

2:56:49

a church or having people pray over him like come on you're not going to tell me that that Donald Trump is a regenerate

2:56:55

Christian like good good luck with that so but but but he was the closest thing to a hero that we've had and I think a

2:57:04

lot of people are looking for him to play that role again and and maybe and

2:57:09

maybe this is this is part maybe this is part of the point that you're making about Trump being the Antichrist is that

2:57:15

now Christians in desperation like maybe they were Discerning in in 20

2:57:22

in 2016 and maybe even 20 well that's a whole other thing but that but that

2:57:27

maybe they'll be tempted to throw their discernment out the window in desperation you know and and and give

2:57:33

their allegiance to someone who they believe who does not come from their same foundation and is not working towards the same nation that they would

2:57:41

want if if they were really given the chance to choose is that kind of is that kind of the position that you're coming from with it yeah but I don't think

2:57:47

they're going to be doing this knowingly like I don't think I don't I don't think they're going to be saying to themselves

2:57:52

let's let's put discernment aside I think that they're going to believe that they're Discerning right in the same way

2:57:58

that so many Christians believe that they're they're imparted with so much discernment when they you know uh look

2:58:04

at the obvious signs and symbols scattered throughout you know movies and Hollywood and everything you know and

2:58:10

and the Grammys you know they think that's what the serment means right and that's not the that's not the sermon you

2:58:16

know my 5-year-old can can can look at that and say that that's something evil right but but but you know what what

2:58:23

true biblical discernment is is is is you know is is it's it's it's doctrinal

2:58:29

right and that and that's why you know the Apostle Paul warms in timoth that and First Timothy or second Timothy that

2:58:36

people will not adhere in the last days people will not adhere to sound Doctrine you know but will suit but will suit

2:58:42

teachings but will but will follow teachings to suit their own desires and

2:58:47

and and and that's and that's where you know this this Awakening Trump all this stuff comes in is like you know uh like

2:58:54

Trump for example uh have you seen the the interview where he said he doesn't believe in asking God for forgiveness

2:58:59

because he doesn't believe that that he really did anything wrong to to Anchor God I think I did see that yeah yeah

2:59:07

yeah yeah and I mean I mean someone who thinks like that I'm sorry they're not a

2:59:12

Christian right I'm sorry like and it's exactly like J again you know who

2:59:18

thought he was right with God because you know on the surface what he seemed what he what he was doing appeared to be

2:59:24

righteous right he was throwing down Jezebel and he was getting rid of all the foreign Idols of Bal and child

2:59:29

sacrifice so you know of course this all got to J's head you know like I said

2:59:35

earlier nothing boosts the ego more than you know believing you're better than

2:59:40

those other guys right just like the Pharisee in Luke 18 or 19 and uh and uh

2:59:46

you know that's that's you know in the same way that juu said you know he said

2:59:51

come see my Zeal for the Lord but led Israel into more idolatry and continued

2:59:58

it is the same way that Trump thinks that he's right with God and that he's

3:00:03

righteous you know and that he doesn't need to ask God for forgiveness he doesn't need to do any of the of the

3:00:08

spiritual work that the Apostle Paul talks about you know the Waring against the Flesh and walking in obedience to

3:00:15

the spirit he does he doesn't feel like he needs to do any of that because he's fighting against the satanic forces and

3:00:20

that's the mentality that's rising in the Christian church today is they they they see you know spiritual warfare as

3:00:28

an ex as solely as an external external fight against evil and and not as as an

3:00:35

internal battle against the Flesh and because of this they are aligning themselves with PE and calling people

3:00:43

Christians and calling people you know good you know good righteous people who simp are not and Trump is is such a

3:00:50

perfect example of this you know yep yep I I I'm so glad you're saying all this uh

3:00:58

and I'm I'm really grateful for this conversation because um there's no way

3:01:03

uh like the the the subtlety of what you're saying the urgency of what you're saying the the importance of what you're

3:01:09

saying from A discipleship perspective you know is is um I'm I'm glad that we've gotten to parse this all apart

3:01:15

because I think you're saying things that are just very crucial cral for people to hear especially because

3:01:21

because now I can see how it's very possible in the not too distant future that there will be an entire Forest full

3:01:28

of Idols that will pop up that will drag men and women away from the faith

3:01:35

believing like Trump is a solution nationalism is a solution you know your post-millennial eschatology is not going

3:01:41

to save you right like things like right and so and and and then also like Joe Rogan's not going to save you Russell

3:01:48

Brand is not going to save you and Kanye West is not going to save you right David Ike definitely isn't going to save

3:01:53

you definitely not yeah your holistic health practice iasa is not going to save you but it's almost like it's

3:01:59

almost like the the stage is set with all of these screens and podcasts and content you know for for so many people

3:02:07

including faithful lowercase o Orthodox Christians who are undiscerning to have

3:02:14

a parade of Idols you know put in front of them to resolve this pressure of the

3:02:20

satanic cabal and like the cabal is just the setup to get you to buy into it

3:02:26

doesn't matter which Idol just pick one right and so and just exactly y got it

3:02:32

lead people down the path and so in the face of that your own discernment your own daily practice you know in terms of

3:02:39

scripture prayer right confession of sin Etc being a member of a of a faithful

3:02:44

Church all of these things take on even greater importance with the pressure of

3:02:50

all the idols that you're going to watch even your own your your friends and your family your faithful friends and family

3:02:57

dragged Away by even even family marriage can become an an idol if you're

3:03:02

not careful like I don't I think it's overblown but like yeah I get it I totally totally get it absolutely

3:03:08

absolutely and people's and people's Zeal for this for this you know this

3:03:13

this culture war that their Zeal for this fight for this world is in itself another Idol that is really permeating

3:03:22

you know the church and you know Believers and and you know they really see themselves as you know rising up

3:03:30

against the Beast you see a lot of people talk uh you know saying that you know we're living in the Beast Kingdom

3:03:35

right now well that's a very dangerous mentality you have because if we're in the Beast Kingdom right now then that

3:03:41

means that whatever destroys it must be Christ you get what I'm saying so if

3:03:47

Humanity Trump the Great Awakening all step up to dismantle it as they're saying then that then then people are

3:03:54

going to conclude that we collectively are Christ and that you know we take on

3:04:00

the role of Christ by ushering in the Kingdom dispelling the darkness you know and this is this is something that that

3:04:07

that guy ariel you know says all the time that you know the Beast kingdom was Obama and the globalists and Trump you

3:04:14

know he he he he made all that go away you know you know Trump dismantled the Beast Kingdom he he said that to me in a

3:04:21

response to what I was what I was telling him and I said but wait a minute if if if that was the Beast Kingdom and

3:04:27

Trump dismantled it then doesn't that make Trump Christ you get what I'm saying but but that's the thing is is is

3:04:35

people aren't thinking like that right they're they're thinking like this is an Avengers movie they're thinking like in

3:04:40

the terms of one of their Hollywood good guys versus bad guys and the good guys win in the end you know they're they're

3:04:46

not they're not they're not applying a Biblical World viiew onto our uh onto

3:04:52

our current situation and and and when they do they're misapplying it in in a

3:04:58

very seductive way that appeals to our itching ears you know yeah they will

3:05:03

turn away go ahead yeah yeah yeah and and and it's and it's I mean if you really think about it's such a it's such

3:05:10

a brilliant deception it really is you know because it's it's and and you know

3:05:16

in Matthew 24 Jesus talks about a deception that' be so powerful it will deceive even the elect if it were

3:05:22

possible and you know and that's the whole thing is like the great when we look at the great reset and we look at

3:05:28

the the agenda 2030 and the plans of the cabal you know where's the deception

3:05:34

that that even could deceive the elect if it were possible and and there's not any right but but but this but this is a

3:05:43

powerful deception and it's targeting God's people and that's the whole thing it's like you know Satan doesn't he he

3:05:49

doesn't he doesn't care about enslaving and subjugating Humanity he wants to bring he wants to subtly lead you away

3:05:56

from the truth he wants to subtly lead you away from God's truth and that's

3:06:01

what he's done all throughout scriptures the scriptures and that's what he's doing right now and the people who are

3:06:07

saying things like you know Satan wants to destroy the the United States of America you know when they say things

3:06:15

like that they're they're feeding the Beast they're feeding the Beast mentality they're feeding into this into

3:06:22

this deception because because they're G they're ascribing firstly they're

3:06:27

ascribing too much power to Satan right and and you know they're they're they're they're they're they're either

3:06:33

dismissing or forgetting or rejecting God's sovereignty right Isaiah 45:7 you

3:06:38

know God God is God is is Sovereign over all our calamities right and and and

3:06:44

like I said earlier like you know uh uh when it comes to God's judgment

3:06:51

they're GNA view God's judgment God's Wrath as some sort of external attack

3:06:59

you know like like Russell bran says you know uh when he was talking about Jesus you know he was talking about uh Jesus

3:07:06

but on talk Carlson show he was saying you know there's not you know one of the things that Humanity needs to understand

3:07:11

is that there's nothing wrong with you there's nothing wrong with you oh yeah you know what I mean giveaway yeah and

3:07:18

it's like people eat this stuff up Christians eat this stuff up and it's

3:07:23

like they're Satan is trying to get you into this mentality that you're

3:07:29

righteous innocent sinless powerful you know he's trying you know he's trying to

3:07:34

lead you into exalting yourself and what better way to do it than

Exalting our mind, our body, and our will

3:07:42

this than giving you a righteous opponent to take down mhm we will set up

3:07:48

a giant a giant big bad guy cuz that's this has been something that I've been struggling with since since uh since Co

3:07:55

and I it's like it's like the the quote unquote cabal they're so clumsy like

3:08:01

it's just it's just so clutzy it's like it's I I've described them in the past as like a bear on ice skates like it's

3:08:08

clumsy as all heck but if it gets a hold of you it'll still Maul you right but I've been trying to figure out like like

3:08:14

why if they've been executing this really subtle deception for hundreds of years or thousands I suppose why

3:08:21

suddenly did it become really clumsy and the best answer that I've had for it has been like whoever Trump was like he

3:08:27

threw a stumbling block and now they're just kind of stumbling forward trying to execute on a plan that he disrupted I

3:08:33

think that's still I don't know that he does he I don't give him the god Emperor status of him being some you know time

3:08:39

traveler or whatever with his wisdom who disrupted it like he was just he was just the right guy in the right time who

3:08:44

like stuck out his foot and they started tripping and they're still tripping like still falling over themselves and I

3:08:49

think that's possible but I think I also like the suggestion that it's actually meant to be so clutzy and so out in the

3:08:56

open so that you have to be kind of like dumb not to see it and so you see it and you see this bad guy and it's like I'm

3:09:02

going to draw a swords and grow crusading and I'm just going to bring along this Idol with me to give me luck

3:09:08

as I go fighting against this bad guy and it's that picking up of the idol and going charging into battle that's the

3:09:15

thing that's the thing that Satan cares about that's what he's actually going for like no no no like like pick up you

3:09:21

stay stay rooted in the word stay rooted in your daily in your daily discipline and grow in faithfulness right and grow

3:09:28

in Devotion to God and that is really how you fight and and that's not

3:09:33

exciting enough that's not exciting enough for most people though that's the problem you know people people have been

3:09:39

so programmed with all these Hollywood movies and these depictions of these big

3:09:44

Cosmic battles of good versus evil and you pick a side you know that that the true nature of spiritual warfare just

3:09:51

simply is not dramatic and exciting enough for most people and that's you know a big reason why so many are being

3:09:57

deceived and that's my that's my big argument against um against the sort of

3:10:02

like premillennial Rapture kind of viewpoint is like I just I think it it it tap and I'm not saying you but I

3:10:09

think for a lot of people it Taps into that desire for the go the giant space battle and the Monsters you know like in

3:10:15

the first Avengers movie where it's it's like this big caterpillar thing flying through the air right and the Hulk

3:10:22

punches it it's like I want to see the Beast coming down out of the sky it's like I I don't know that I see God

3:10:28

pulling back the veil and giving us this Cosmic view I haven't seen that yet in my life time God tends to work through

3:10:34

ordinary means but I think the appeal of of premillennialism maybe going all the way back to like left behind and all

3:10:41

that is it turn it it tries to position reality as a movie it's like no your

3:10:46

life is not a movie like it's lived here on the ground and the dirty difficult boring work of like quotequote boring of

3:10:52

reading scripture of grow of faith and repentance and sin and confession right

3:10:58

that is the real meat of it and it's so mundane right but if you have but only

3:11:04

if you see things in a certain way because if you truly are indwelt by the Holy Spirit and you have the scriptures

3:11:09

illuminated for you it's the most desirable and delicious thing in the world to read to read this all day and

3:11:15

to experience that it's like and it's almost like why do you need more than this and there's a profound taking

3:11:20

taking it for granted and so that's been my big argument about against premillennialism like I don't see the

3:11:26

big Skybeam I don't see that happening but like but but it doesn't necessarily have to look like that it can look much

3:11:31

more it can look much more Clowny I suppose yeah well well I I would like to distinct myself from a dispensationalist

3:11:39

um right yeah I don't think you're that yeah uh who believes I don't I I don't affirm pre-tribulation Rapture I think

3:11:45

that pre-tribulation rapture is actually one of the one of the many deceptions that is leading people into

3:11:53

uh uh complacency in their faith and uh and their and their uh their vigilance

3:12:00

and and discern and you know need for discernment strong you know what I mean uh you know that this idea that you know

3:12:07

they're just exempt from tribulation you know like God's just gonna beam them up Beam us up out of the sky and there's no

3:12:12

we're not going to have to deal with the Antichrist we're not going to deal with any persecution you know it's all good

3:12:18

you know and and I think this mentality is dangerous uh well I think it's unbiblical number one uh and and number

3:12:24

two I think it's very dangerous because you know when the Beast finally does rise people are going to probably think

3:12:30

that he's Christ or that he's anointed by Christ at the very least because they're not because in their mind the

3:12:36

Antichrist isn't a thing right it's not a thing that they're going to witness so in in Matthew 24 it says you know for

3:12:43

false christs and false prophets shall shall arise to you know performing great signs and wonders they're they're going

3:12:49

to probably think that these false christs and false prophets are real christs and real prophets you know what

3:12:55

I'm saying and I think it's a very dangerous uh mentality um uh and then and then you

3:13:03

know going back to what you were saying about like the the whole d d dramatic thing I I don't think I don't think uh

3:13:09

you know Revelation the playing out of Revelation is going to be like how so many people depict it you know where you

3:13:16

know it's uh where where it's this like huge like you know battle maybe maybe

3:13:23

like yeah like a comic book right like um it's it's it's G to look it's G to look a lot more like like uh like wow

3:13:31

you know things are really changing things are really looking up huh wow like like I guess I I guess uh you know

3:13:38

I guess things are looking forward I guess things are getting optimistic you know that's that's gonna be that's

3:13:44

really gonna be it's it's gonna be something very you know not so it's

3:13:49

gonna don't get me wrong it'll it'll be pretty exciting right to see you know when it says Babylon is Fallen is Fallen

3:13:55

you know that great City you know when Babylon Falls it's going to be very exciting you know for a lot of people

3:14:01

but they're going to be Mis this this excitement is gonna is is misguided because they're going to think that

3:14:06

Satan's Empire has finally been toppled and that the millennial kingdom is is is right around the corner and like I said

3:14:12

they're going to come they're going to have a harsh reality check when Jesus Christ comes back to crash their party

3:14:18

and um you know so so you know um I I

3:14:24

think I I I just think it's important that you know we we we we we be very

3:14:30

careful that you know we're we're we're not looking at it like this this Cosmic

3:14:36

movie Battle you know between light forces and dark Forces like how that

3:14:41

that's how the ult sees it by the way like that's literally like the new age like version of spirit ual Warfare you

3:14:48

know like the new age sees demons as you know very simplistic like you know they

3:14:53

see it as like uh you know they grotesque uh creatures in the Doom video game series you know and it's really

3:15:00

concerning when I see Christians who are taught that you know Satan masquerades as an angel of Light you know and and

3:15:08

they can only they can only um you know they they they view uh the dark spiritual forces as you

3:15:15

know as as the same way that the new age and that Alice Bailey views them and and

3:15:20

and and we're we're just seeing such a subtle merging of new age New Age

3:15:26

spiritualism and New Age ideals uh with with the Christian framework that people have and it's so

3:15:34

subtle you know like most people don't even realize you know that that so many of the things they believe really are

3:15:40

like like a from a a cult framework you know like yoga like that's that's the

3:15:46

whole thing with yoga it's like no you can't just do it because your pastor said it was okay and you can show them that like no it's okay because I say it

3:15:53

is like well where does it say that you get to just do that right and so yeah people are looking they're looking for

3:15:58

anything it it can't just be scripture it's got to be something else there's something else yeah yeah it's like how

3:16:05

what is God's ways are not our ways and and and the most the most powerful weapon in human history is a book how

3:16:12

incredible yeah and people can't can't fathom that especially these really

3:16:17

uh you know truther type people you know and and the thing I I'll hear people say to me all the time is like so you're

3:16:23

telling me the cabal controls the entire world they control everything that

3:16:29

happens that and but yet the Bible has the truth and it's like well first of all your framing is completely off again

3:16:37

ascribing way too much power to Satan and the elite and these Earthly forces or whatever the case is and you know

3:16:44

completely forgetting or rejecting God's sovereignty and and that's the whole

3:16:49

that's the whole trick with the truth or narrative is is that you know it subtly rejects God's sovereignty and and paints

3:16:56

this new AG version of spiritual warfare you know that simply is not biblical and

3:17:04

it SE so much doubt into you know the word of God and to the testimony of

3:17:10

Christ well a lot of people don't have a good doctrine of God's sovereignty right they still right they they don't don't

3:17:17

really understand what that means they don't understand that God is Sovereign overall they don't understand how like

3:17:23

how uh you know Judas played right into Christ's hands they don't understand how like yeah Christ gave him gave him gave

3:17:30

himself up you know Satan's like I've got him now I've got the Son of God watch you I'm G to take him down

3:17:36

like right right so they don't they don't understand that because they haven't been taught that right and and I

3:17:44

don't know like I heard you say that you're not Calvin but this all sounds pretty calvinist to me yeah and you know

3:17:51

what's so funny like um I I was a calvinist for a very long time actually and um you know uh so so so you know a

3:17:59

lot a lot of what I say it can sound calvinist but um not not calvinist yeah

3:18:07

I I I would say that my view of God's sovereignty is um is uh is is is

3:18:13

definitely different from a calvinist but but but but all in all I would say I

3:18:19

I would say that we align very well you know sure um so yeah well but go ahead

3:18:28

no yeah and uh you know I just the whole the whole thing about it to me is is

3:18:35

just really like coming to the understanding that um you know that that

3:18:41

the deception is going to be so powerful you know it's it's going to deceive

3:18:47

people who you know profess to be Christians you know what I mean yep and and and we see it happening right now

3:18:53

but but that's the thing most people don't see it and I think I think things as as things progress forward I think I

3:19:00

think they'll be more obvious to the truly biblically discerned I think that the reason that like uh the reason that

3:19:07

I was able to come to these conclusions number one is because um number one like

3:19:12

I've been like I've been down the the the truther rabbit hole and the the ult

3:19:19

you know all this stuff and and uh also I would really highly recommend um a

3:19:25

Ministry on on YouTube well he got kicked off YouTube but he's on Rumble uh

3:19:31

it's called e511 Ministries and uh yeah he I mean he really helped me understand like uh a

3:19:39

lot of this stuff um because and it took it took me a a long time to really to

3:19:45

really be able to digest all this and kind of you know get rid of a lot of the

3:19:51

delusions that I had that you know that I I thought you know were were scriptural but really weren't you know

3:19:57

they're more cultural you know and uh yeah I just really highly

3:20:03

recommend everybody to check out e511 Ministries on Rumble and uh and yeah okay yeah well

3:20:11

definitely um it's funny a friend of mine uh who's familiar with your work

3:20:17

also mentioned e511 Ministries in conjunction with some of the things some some of the things that you do as well

3:20:22

so that's great yeah perfect so um okay great yeah no I mean um I I know you got

3:20:27

you got your family to take care of and and so I just um just one just one last question then like what beyond beyond

3:20:33

like what we've what we've discussed so far like what recommendations do you have to like men and women who are

3:20:39

listening um you know like okay so so they they hear what you're saying and like wow okay we be we could be looking

3:20:45

at a great apostasy we could be looking at a real you know not a not a a pre like a tribulation in term like in those

3:20:52

terms not necessarily like a Rapture kind of tribulation but in like a real time of testing and a real time of you

3:20:57

know maybe who know maybe it's not you know like you know uh Christ Dominion will spread and cover the Earth like you

3:21:04

know the the secret things belong to God so so like what sort of things would you recommend to men and women are who are

3:21:10

listening for what they can begin doing right now you know to Anchor them to prepare themselves you know or or to you

3:21:17

know to start uh you beyond the things that they can do in the material world because I think there's lots of discussion about that what are the

3:21:23

spiritual what are the spiritual disciplines that that you recommend that you draw strength from well I will say um firstly PE the

3:21:33

whole thing with like you know I know a lot of people are like big time Preppers and they and they love to prep and they

3:21:40

they're building these bunkers and they're building these things and they're stocking up on ammo and guns and

3:21:45

I I'm not I I think that in itself is a bad thing to do but I I just I just want

3:21:50

to caution people not to get too attached to the idea that there're that

3:21:56

that we're going to be able to protect ourselves physically in the tribulation

3:22:01

okay um because you know Revelation says you know that the Beast overcomes the

3:22:06

Saints and that you know the uh people will will deliver the Saints to be

3:22:11

killed like you know people in their own family you know those sisters and brothers and and even mothers and sons

3:22:19

you know will deliver one another to be killed and they're going to believe they're doing God's will they're going to be believe they're doing service to

3:22:25

God as John 16 says you know so you know it I I just really really caution people

3:22:34

about just being to Clinging On To Life way too much because like I said earlier

3:22:39

you know this this this life is is so temporary in comparison to all the

3:22:46

eternal life that's waiting for us you know and and if we focus more on the things in in

3:22:54

heaven and not the things on earth we're going to be able to think way more clearly being Guided by the Holy Spirit

3:23:00

and not Guided by our flesh and the desires of our flesh and the fears of the world right right and like people

3:23:07

you know someone said to me earlier like I was talking about the false Awakening and someone said so what's the true

3:23:12

Awakening then you know and I said the true Awakening is Awakening to our sin

3:23:18

it's humbling ourselves it's recognizing the need for Jesus Christ that we're in sin it's walking in obedience to the

3:23:25

spirit and it's enduring it's enduring patiently for his return and Promises of eternal glory spreading the gospel and

3:23:32

and and being and being Fisher uh Fishers of Men you know that's that's you know our sanctification that's

3:23:38

that's what we're you know that's that's and you know what what we're our purpose here is you know to be to be uh you know

3:23:45

to be separate from the the world right but but but but to but to uh you know to

3:23:51

to advance the kingdom of God uh you know that's not in this world but but that's beyond this world so you know

3:23:58

getting people ready for the coming Kingdom you know warning them of their need for repentance warning them that

3:24:04

they're in great danger you know reproving a lot of the false teachings and false doctrines and subtle

3:24:10

deceptions I think that's very huge you know Ezekiel Ezekiel 33 you know it it

3:24:15

calls us to Watchman you know and it's and you know God says you know if the Watchman sees the sword coming and

3:24:22

doesn't say anything doesn't warn the people then then God will demand the blood of the lost on the hands of the

3:24:29

Watchmen you know what I mean and this is the whole thing it's like you know you know we can't see the sword coming

3:24:35

and just you know sit quietly in our room and just wait you know just and hide in a bunker and and wait for the

3:24:42

that that's not what we're called to do at all you know you look at the two witnesses that that that that come up in the in in

3:24:48

the last days which by the way I think that the that the Beast will say is the false prophet and and the Antichrist I

3:24:54

think that I think that they'll say that the two witnesses are the Antichrist and the false prophet but that's a whole another thing um you know they go out

3:25:01

you know clothed in sackcloth and they're they're preaching and they're and they're and they're prophesying and they're out there they're active you

3:25:08

know and and this is what I think it means to be active in the world you know to to it's about saving Souls not

3:25:14

necessarily saving the world if that makes sense and if you think about it you know the the the the the I think the

3:25:21

the greatest po point of the church was you know was the early Christians and

3:25:27

they didn't have much they didn't really have power political power they didn't really have the ability to go to a nice

3:25:34

air conditioned building and and worship you know a lot of them had to meet underground they had to meet in in in in

3:25:40

in dark hidden away places as to not be persecuted but their faith was so strong

3:25:47

like I said they they sang songs of joy and praise as you know as they were

3:25:53

killed for their faith and we that kind of Faith isn't really isn't really

3:25:59

active today or that or isn't really you know PE people I I think I think that we

3:26:05

need to get back to the mentality of the early Christians you know and and and

3:26:12

the the the faith that they showed uh I think a is a blueprint for

3:26:18

how we are to conduct ourselves in this world brother I've been super blessed by

3:26:24

this conversation like I really I mean I genuinely appreciative of your

3:26:29

perspective and your wisdom and the way that you've put the pieces together like this is this has definitely given me um

3:26:36

a lot to think about it's definitely going to be a blessing and a boon to my faith so I'm very very grateful for you man thank you so much for that I wrote

3:26:42

that down saving Souls not the world there are a lot of guys out there that are trying to save the world and they

3:26:48

are not at all concerned about saving souls and I'm seeing it a lot and so I appreciate you saying that well I really

3:26:53

appreciate you for having me on this has been a very nice long conversation as I knew it would be and I'm very glad it

3:26:59

was because there's a lot there's a lot to say and it's crazy because there's there's so much other things to say you

3:27:04

know I know I know but but but honestly I I'm I'm very glad the conversation went the way it did because I think we

3:27:10

really got to the meat of it you know instead of sitting here and speculating about this St the thir I think we really

3:27:16

got to to to the heart issue and and and and and and that's what's important that's what people that's what Believers

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need to hear and I know you have uh you know uh you have a Christian audience which I think is amazing and I think

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that this is the kind of discourse that we as Christians need to be having instead of what you know what I see on

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social media a lot so very grateful to be a part of this thank you man yeah we definitely like Christians definitely

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need to have these long form discussions more about these issues and and be able to work down to the heart of things so I appreciate your your commitment to

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working through that through all that in the conversation it's very meaningful to me absolutely brother so where would you

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like to send people to find out more about you and what you do uh yeah you can just follow me on X um at Donny

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darkened um I would I would I would suggest going on my highlights t uh tab

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uh X added a feature where you can go on highlights and you can I I put a bunch of stuff on my highlights and I think if

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you read everything on my highlights I think it'll be pretty pretty you know up to date on like things um yeah excellent

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excellent well thank you so much brother I really appreciate again all your wisdom and all of your generosity with your time and your spirit I appreciate

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you brother thank you so much for having me on glory to God man glory to God