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Dino my man good to see you again welcome to the will Spencer podcast live thank you for having me buddy good to

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see you buddy I remember when you and I talked on the podcast the first time I think it was like two years ago I think

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we went for like for three hours that was a pretty that was a pretty was a pretty epic that was wild that was

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absolutely wild I'm fine for anything today man I'm up for anything up for any conversation love talking with you love

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chatting with you brother fantastic fantastic well it's been uh it's been a

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wild couple years for you uh I've been talking about this is season 3 of aop

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not only have you uh not only have you done a face reveal because I think you were you were still anous Anonymous at

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the time but your content has shifted quite a bit over the past maybe year year and a half or so to be much more

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Christian focused which I think is fantastic and so I'm looking forward to talking about that with you and Donald

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Trump and homeschooling and all the other big stuff going on right now absolutely thank you brother for having me on today man so let's start let's

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let's start with season three of aop well actually why don't you run through the the evolution of what you've done as

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art of purpose like where you started where you've been and kind of how you got to where you are today so yeah we'll

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recap season one right like starting so uh I was formerly a public

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school teacher taught for roughly 20 years I have a master's degree in education um did all of those things

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taught public school um was completely chained to my job for a long time and

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then during covid hit right I used that as an opportunity because my classroom got shut down I used to teach banded

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right and so we couldn't teach during Co we were sent home and so I was watching

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the news it was really depressing my son was just born at the time and I was like let's do something positive let's start

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some account I had recently became a millionaire at around that time period so I decided to start an account that

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was from my perspective about like Reflections um becoming a millionaire um some Financial stuff as well and just

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giving some value to the world and trying to give some purpose into the world during a time that was extremely

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negative so if you actually look at my account say started in May of 2020 um we

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grew rapidly from there and we started to build courses and communities that were built upon uh growing online

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creating content online and um how specifically to grow on X and these

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became wildly popular uh we sold over 2,000 uh course 2,000 copies of our

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course create 247 and it sold so much that people demanded that I started a community

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around this which is called masterclass masterclass 247.com and and so what we did there was we then

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decided to uh start a community it blew up we've had a lot of people join we've had a lot of people join us inside the

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community and it is a community that's built around growing online and we have

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around 500 members right now and then we've started cohorts along the way to build all of this and it's become a

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business that I've sold roughly close to around $2 million worth since I started

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um and it's become something that has changed my life forever so uh that's

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what I do that was kind of like season two right season one was teaching season two but so season three right was when I

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decided to start tweeting more about Christianity so there was a long process back for me to go to the faith too I

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think it's almost like the same kind of Alliance Alliance as you right like you were really into like Renaissance and stuff like that this just we were I was

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on the podcast Renaissance of men right now it's the will Spencer podcast right it's different now and so last year uh

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so one of the tenants of our core philosophies in create 247 and in master class is that your content is your life

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right and that you tell your story you tell what's going on you're not you're not building someone else's brand or

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someone else's story you're not a fanboy and you know you're doing your thing and

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um putting your ideas out into the world and so while I was going this ret

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transformation because I was raised Catholic for a long time uh and then came back into the

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faith oh about 14 months ago and this transformation back into it also

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mirrored into my content so that's when I shifted to more Christianity and I was just sharing what I was saying will I

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lost a lot of followers for this but I was only sharing what I was seeing uh which is a real transformation of

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individuals going back into the church my first experience back to the church was this well I could not believe what I

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was saying uh I grew up on the East Coast Catholic and you know when we went to

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church back in the late 90s uh we would just see you know maybe a third of the

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church full a dwindling population people not really taking things in the faith seriously I went back to church in

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December of 2012 and I could not believe what I was saying I showed up to church on the

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first day right we showed up maybe 15 minutes before Mass started they came to

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us and we're like hey you need to go into the Overflow room and I'm like oh my gosh I get my wife I was like you know I convinced my wife to go back to

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church with me right and she had never been to mass before or anything like that um and I have my son with me and we

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show up on the first day the church is so full that they're just like you need to go to another

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room and I'm like okay so we go down to the folding chairs watching mess on a TV

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um and I was like kind of nervous because I was like hey I wanted this to be a really good experience right and

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here we are sitting watching Mass on folded chairs and a TV and you could barely hear it but it was one of the

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most moving experiences that I've ever seen because what I saw then it was like people kneeling on the concrete floor

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people professing their faith people really into it people participating and it blew me away that in such a humble

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location people could experience such a deep connection with God and so I was

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like Hey we're gonna start going so you know my wife and I we explored some Churches and stuff like that we

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ultimately decided um to start attending a local Catholic Church in our area I had been reading

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the Bible for about a year or two before that okay so I just want to be upfront

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with people I had been reading the Bible for a year or two before that just reading it and thinking like well like

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how am I gonna go in like should I go back to church should I start you know being a regular at mass and should I

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still you know this was kind of something that was like Weighing on me for a while until I ultimately decided to do it and it was one of the best

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decisions that I ever made in life when we started tweeting about it to our timeline there were a lot of people that

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were upset because this was a a change in our content and I have something if you guys don't know me I have something

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like 340 something thousand followers on X okay we do uh in the past month we

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have done 1 million impressions on X all organically okay and um we have one of

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the more popular accounts on the platform and when I started to tweet about this it was a a visceral reaction

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like I didn't follow you for this don't follow you for this start talking about money start talking about growth start

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talking about you know productivity and all of the things you used to talk about and I had done this and not only that I

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continued to double and triple down into it because I could see that it was a a

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poignant point but like so for this will I think this is really interesting I've been doing this regularly for so long I

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got a message from one of my followers yesterday are you ready I'm going to read it out loud for you yo Dino go I

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just met with the deacon at the Catholic Church here in Frisco Texas I don't think I've ever shared this with

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you but I went to Catholic High School back on my home Island Parish of St John

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been out of the practice since I moved to the area but I pulled the trigger here I would be lying to say that a part

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of the influence didn't come from you and your post haha I hope all is well for me brother and he's ask asking me to

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actually be a sponsor for him as he gets fully confirmed into the Catholic church so I get a lot of DMS from guys saying

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you know I love what you're doing so what was really interesting I was getting a lot of comments from the

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peanut gallery saying hey don't post about this stop doing this post but at the same time I was getting DMS from

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people okay saying that hey you know what um I'm considering going back to

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the church because of this because you're doing it and so you got you have to understand something why is it important I always think it's funny that

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people like Pearl can't stand people like me okay because what they do is

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they actually get people inside and going back in practice practicing in their churches and so when you see her

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call out and say well why are these influencers call uh you know telling people it's because people follow

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influencers guys whether you think you like it or not people see what they see on their tablets and on their phones and

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on their computer screens and they are more likely to mimic that behavior this is part of like mimetic desire so one of

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the things that we decided to do was tap into that and instead use it as a force of good instead of trying to get people

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to just like buy consumeristic stuff a materialistic mindset and and coins and

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whatever these fake phony things are and so what we decided to do instead was get people to do the most real thing that

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they could ever do in their lives which is start reading the Bible again and start attending church and immediately

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um and by the way this was great will because I knew that I Ed this as a strategy as well I wouldn't be lying if I say because what happened was is I

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started to repel all of the right kinds of people okay so there's only two people that would have a a b so there's

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two people who aren't Christian that would have there's two ways that they could digest this one they could be like

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okay he's just do it as thing you know I like the guy I'm gonna just you know he talks about other stuff too so I I enjoy

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his content we're not we'll just ignore those posts or those that really get upset by it and then really really

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really go after you by it and then they leave I lost community members because of this I lost email subscribers I lost

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followers last year was the slowest my page ever grew because of this I I only

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gained 25,000 followers I know that sounds like a first world problem but but I didn't really care because I knew

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what was happening is a lot were coming in I could see by my numbers a lot were coming in but a lot were leaving and now our page has a lot of momentum now we're

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starting to that's why it just said a a mil 100 million impressions in the past month and the growth is happening again

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because we had to shuffle all the wrong kinds of people out I can say this as a as a Catholic and a Christian here's the

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deal guys a lot of the people who look down on Christian aren't worth doing business with they're

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not facts they're not worth they're not they're not worth doing business with

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especially the now the ones that are you know are open-minded and are like hey but the ones who are actually going to

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unfollow you or be upset by your profession of Faith you should make just

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by you talking you're doing you and them a favor because what you're doing is you're repelling them and they're going

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to stay away from you they're going to stay away from your page and you're you're going to be you're going to you're going to repel all the right

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kinds of dark people that you don't want to be interacting with your content so I strongly recommend doing this even if

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you're just like a regular content creator because all of the right kinds of people they're going to go bye-bye

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okay and it's going to help you in the long run absolutely agree absolutely agree

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season three season three of aop you know I I have a I have a similar story you know having come from uh the

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manosphere and and the red pill world and so to discover the reaction that

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those guys had to actual actual Christianity it's like oh wow you know to see the number of people that left my

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life over the course of I think it was 2021 2022 2023 and to look back on that

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now and be like wow I am so glad I am so glad they're gone and you don't know

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that at the time it's sort of like a transition that you have to go through where people fall away and it's like

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what's happening everybody and then you get to the other side of the far ashore and it's like I am so glad that all

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those people have left because the connection that you form with the people who stick around is so much is so much

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stronger it's culling that needs to go on to build you know to build a more solid foundation right if people are

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genuinely upset that I'm tweeting about going to church on Sunday and encouraging other people they just need

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to leave they just need to leave that's that's that's really that's basically it they can just go and they can follow

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other people and you know who are going to the type of content that you create

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online is going to track the audience that you deserve that's something that I've learned on the long run right and

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you know this is one of the reasons why I tell other Christians to not like attack each other because how much better are you than these other guys

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that just sit around all day long attacking other people and stuff like that but the type of content like if you

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continually move into hatred right and fear you're going to attract an audience that's addicted to those kinds of things

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and so if you're creating content that's inspiring hope and getting people excited about life and encouraging them

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to do the right kinds of things you're going to attract good people you're going to attract honest people you're going to attract people that are going

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to genuinely be interested in who and what you do and over time this is one of the best things that you can do for your

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look at Chick-fil-A right like Chick-fil-A isn't someone that is like ashamed to be who they are and what they

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do and they have and and now people know that right and they feel like they have a connection to that and it's one of the

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best give they give all of their employees off on Sunday right like how how impressive is that right and so I go

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there more often because that's a business that instills Christian values and I would rather be a part of that and

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I think more businesses need to do this regardless of who and what other people are going to think again you're going to ultimately find your tribe and all the

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right kinds of people yeah it's it's funny you mention uh Chick-fil-A because that that single

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policy has such far-reaching effects for them so for example they can't open a store in Manhattan I heard because they

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can't bring in enough money because they're closed that seventh day of the week so naturally they're going to be selecting out of particular of

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particular areas as a result of that business decision but it's not just a business decision it's a moral decision

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and I think people are are hesitant to make decisions like that because they feel like oh it's going to cost me too

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much in my bottom line but they don't want to ask questions about Soul they don't want to ask questions about the

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kind of people that they want to have around they don't want to ask those really uncomfortable like what am I willing to actually give up for my faith

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or the things that I believe that's not a that's not a popular idea in America

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particularly not on social media go ahead moral decisions are good business decisions okay say more about say more

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about that so so so what I think one of the Mis common misconceptions is is that you have to be like this ruthless Tyrant

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to make it all like you know like this defecation of Alex Roi right who is always telling people that like you need

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sacrifice it all man to make it right it's all Bs you can have Rich truly rich

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people spiritually and financially understand that you can you can have it all right you can have that family that

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you want you can have that faith in God you can have the positions and things that you want if you work at it of course right like it's not going to get

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handed to you on the table but you don't need to sacrifice every little moral and value that you have and and I think that

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a lot I think what Society does is they like to put put these people on a pedestal right like these herois in the

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world like these Tates in the world and all of these guys so that they people can see them and like what they're

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really doing to you is they're making you focus everything about money right so I have a funny story like I'm a

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multi-millionaire right now okay I'm not here to brag I'm just here to tell you as a fact from like where I am in life

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okay the the one of the lowest points in my life not lowest points in my life I want to phrase this properly one of the

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most biggest down moments in my life was when the I actually became a millionaire okay and so which ultimately inspired me

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to start my account on X because this happened like during the covid era and such like that and I became through

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investing I did a lot of investing like about in 2012 um did really well um and

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what we did was you know I used to sit on my computer being like Oh you know

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how these guys like take screenshots of their net worth and stuff like that on X like I I would have been that guy if I had an account at that time you know

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constantly looking at the Dig it's making it go numbered the gamification of money and like Higher and Higher and

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Higher and Higher and I was like one day we're going to do this and it's going to be the greatest feeling in the world and

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the day it happened will I was like I thought like balloons were going to fly from the sky and like fall down and a

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big parade was going to nothing happened nothing happened in fact I was like

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looking at the world and being like what's happening to the world what's going on and maybe instead of thinking

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like what H where's my balloon party is like think like maybe we can use this as a way to start a business and put us in

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a position to be able to start doing the things look at it more of like a beginning as an end right and so people

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think about this money perspective is just like this is the end all and Beall and once I get here no what you should

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be doing is you should be using your positions to make the world a better place for not just you but for your

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children as well that's what I mean yeah go ahead oh no I I absolutely agree but there's a I

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think this is where scarcity mind ET comes in this is where laziness comes in

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like real and moral cowardice that's that's the thing that I've been seeing a lot of is you know people are so

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concerned in the way that Society is set up today like well I got to get mine and I got to hold on to mine and I don't

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want to do anything to risk that and the moral cowardice kicks in at that moment

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well if I speak out if I speak about something that'll be unpopular or controversial that's going to cost me

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some of this and they don't have the ability to make the tradeoff between something material for something richly

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spiritual and and that's where the moral cowardice I I see so many people having and really hiding

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behind right yeah I I think it's not just a moral cowardice but I think Society in a way has decided to to

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cleverly funnel people into believing that they need to act like this to be successful right it's like hey I need to

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act a certain way so that I can keep my job and this is one of the reasons why like you know telling kids they have to

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go to college I taught public school for 20 years I already know the funnel okay they tell every single person that they need to go to college and if you don't

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go to college you're a bad person or a stupid person and what this happens is now these colleges are over full and

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they could charge whatever they want and now they have to give you loans and now you graduate you have a student loan debt and then you get a car and then you

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get addicted to commercialism and then you have to get a mortgage and a house and do all of these things but what none

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of this has to do with any of your bit of relationship with God right so um so

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when we're talking about moral cowardice I can see why certain people are cowards

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okay I can understand that okay I can sympathize with them because not

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everybody is in a position like you or I will right and now I almost it's like the the right kinds of people need to

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speak out the right kinds of people need to share their story to to give the rest

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of the world kind of the courage to start seeking and doing the things that they need to do is a way that I see it

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right now will I think this is really the Last Stand of Western Civilization like I think this is it right like I'm

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I'm not trying to this is it this is the The Last Stand of Western civilization

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and what is going to determine whether or not it's going to be successful is one whether or not you believe in Jesus

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Christ and attend church and read the Bible and regular participant in the faith or and number two is that you

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start sharing your testimony start sharing your faith start getting other people along lines with you I'm gonna

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tell you right now like a lot of people they come to me and they go how do we fix the public schools

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how do we fix schools how do we fix public education do we need to get rid of the teachers you do we need to pay

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the teachers more do we need to none of has nothing to do with the real problem the real problem is that schools are

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Godless there's no Foundation of morals it in public schools you know I went to

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Catholic School my whole life right we acted a certain way right if one of us got out of line the a nun could pick up

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a Bible and like go right to scripture and say oh right here these are the rules right here oh you have a problem

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with it take it up with God okay a public school doesn't have that kind of clout what I usually got asked as a

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public school teacher was like why do we have to do things like this why is it like this why is it religious schools

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have an answer Public Schools don't to the question so nobody so it doesn't have a believability factor to the

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children children are always asking well why do I need to do this why do I need to follow the rules why do I need to take the stand I say they're asking the

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right questions all the children are asking the right questions it's the public schools that are failing to

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supply the answers and so the answers are found inside of private schools religious schools that are giving them

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the foundation the Bible what they need to be fulfilled with so you know you

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have these problems it's like hey are we need to pay the teachers more no you're it's a it's a setup for Success it's not

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set up to be successful from day one to begin with none of it is set up to be successful the right way okay so this

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this ties into some current events going on right now uh I guess Trump is going to sign an executive order to abolish

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the Department of Education and so I imagine I imagine that you have a you have a perspective on that I'd love to

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hear what what you think of all of all that both from being having been a public school teacher and also from a

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religious perspective as well based on what you were just saying so I mean I would be for this on paper I think this

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is fine right but there is no real solution to this right like getting rid

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of the Department of Education isn't going to solve the problem okay right it's just going to change the way that

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the landscape is right how do you solve the problem is that you need God in schools like that's how you solve the

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problem like that's it there's no there's no there's no like

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hey let's tweak this or let's make the kids go for an hour longer or make sure that they're taking these kinds of

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classes that will do it no none of that works the the the problem that's going

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on in these schools is that there's no re there's no real reason to do the right thing people don't have a real

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reason to do the right thing right like let me tell you something about how non-christians how their brains operate

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okay this is how their brains operate they go like this because they because they tell me this They Go Dino why

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should I become a Christian there's no benefit to it what there's no benefit to it right

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like what's the benefit of right like they have this Hermos mindset to it I've been told this before they go what's the

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big benefit like what do I get from this what do I get from going to church once

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a week like will like like let's be serious I think a lot of The Outsiders who are skeptical what they really see

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is like why do I need to do all of this work right they don't understand because

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if they understood they would be going to church right like let's be real there wouldn't if they understood what the

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benefits were they would be going to church okay so um here's the problem you

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have all of these people who don't understand what the benefit of being a Christian is they just see a bunch of

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work they just see a bunch of uh you know they don't believe it's true they don't see anything that they can get out

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of it and what really is is they're just chained to a transactional mindset like could you imagine going to God and being

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like hey uh vending machine I'm gonna put in 50

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cents what can you give me right like what do I get out of this and so all of

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these guys look at the whole world this is the the the big plague the young men are consumed by this mindset the

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transactional mindset it's killing our society and right so if you talk like

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talk about trans there's two sides of the coin here right transactional versus Covenant right a covenant is that you

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have faith right and then you lead with love right and and then you have this transactional mindset where it's like I

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give you this what do I get out of it back why do I go to why do I need to go to church right like something like 50%

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of Catholics don't even attend church right they're probably sitting there being like well what am I going to get out of it today they don't understand

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right and so they're looking at God like he's a vending machine it's like the Book of Job right Book of Job was all

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about this it's like you you you job wasn't looking to get anything out of

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this relationship with God right and that the real type of relationship that you need to have with God and so you

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have too many of these people who are like why do I need to do this like I'm not going to make any more money if I

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believe in this I'm not gonna so why is this a poisonous mindset for the west

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and it needs to be eliminated to a degree okay is because it's perversed

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all aspects of our society now right we talk about the low birth rates right Elon wants to say the low birth rates

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Elon is clueless okay do you know why because he has a transactional mindset

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you cannot fix the the birth rates that are low when you Embrace a transactional mindset and when you promote a

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transactional mindset why because any man can go look and say oh well I'm just

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gonna go look at uh pornhub or like all of these things I can get the the what

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my benefit right my needs will be fulfilled right and I don't have to I can pay a few bucks right or free or

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whatever this thing and my same needs are going to be fulfilled by this they're looking at the L they're

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not looking at a relationship from a love standpoint they're not looking at a relationship from a Two Become One standpoint they're not looking at a

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relationship from a covenant standpoint they're looking at a relationship from a transactional standpoint because they've been conditioned and Brad and their OS

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system in their minds works like that and they're NPCs and so what what what

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they are right know I'm smiling I agree anyone who was incapable of embracing

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faith and having a covenant is an NPC right anybody who is incapable of believing in the mysteries of faith is

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an NPC is right because they are chained to a transactional X Plus y equals z type I

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got to do this get that back I have to have it or my brain doesn't work and so you have of these all of these guys and

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young women who are like well why am i g to get married to a man he's going to stop my career right even the women have

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transactional mindsets now it's so sad and this is the reason and well this

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is the actual real reason why people aren't going to church they look at it and they go what am I going to get from it right am I am I gonna go to church

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and get a thousand dollar deposited into my bank account am I gonna get 10 extra likes on my post if I go to church they

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want to know they want to know in quantifiable form what they're gonna get

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from God for believing in him and can you imagine if you were God

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you'd be shaking head no right you'd be like yeah forget these people man these

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people they right right forget these people like why I would turn my back on

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those people too and so this is the this is the re this is what we're seeing in now is public schools the young people

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but I the encouraging thing is that there are people because they do talk to me and they go man I went back to church

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because of what you were tweeting right and I was blown away by the authenticity

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like I keep seeing this word sent to me it's like I went there and it was like the realest thing I ever

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felt and so you have the other the trick for how do you get people to embrace a transactional mindset is to appeal to

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the rational mind only and so you have these puppets like

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Ben Shapiro they go pay facts not feelings right like the facts not

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feelings Right facts not so facts it's all propaganda because like that slogan itself is trying to make you feel

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something Ben right and so what you have is you know what's what is more real

29:40

right what you can see or what you can feel right what what is right like what

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is more real what you can see or what you can feel and I think a lot of you should maybe ask yourself this question

29:53

and um and this is and this is this is part of that trans action mind like they have

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to see it what am I what am I getting here like you know right what am I

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getting here where where is this where is this benefit immediately for me look I sell online I understand benefits

30:10

right like I understand how to sell people want to be able to see quantifiable results right but you have

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so much that it's even pervas people from this too much is g into like relationships and a religious

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perspective and what I mean a little bit about is

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one thing that I've learned while creating content is people react based off of how they feel okay and feelings

30:35

basically rationalize the world to people like people people think what they feel is real even though they don't

30:41

think that what they feel is important right like people really appeal more to their irrational side and feeling side

30:48

as opposed to what they what they see they think they have they believe in facts they think that they are rational

30:54

but they're actually not they use the rational and they use the numbers and they use the facts right to justify all

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of their feelings right so that's what you have right there so you have this feeling right where people are just like

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I don't really get anything from going to church and then they rationalized it's like I went to Mass yesterday and I

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didn't get anything from it why would I need to go again right they asked me for money right like I give I give to

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Charities and I give to the poor like what what do I get from this right and

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why why do I why do I why do I need to do things the right way

31:28

right and so this is again the transactional mindset is the underlying problem it's the it's the disease that

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has sprung from a Godless found body okay the disease that has sprung from a

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Godless body is this transactional mindset with every little thing that we

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do there is so much fantastic stuff in there and and this is why the

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transactional mindset doesn't work in a Christian way of thinking CU Christ calls us to come and die what do you

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what do you get out of it well maybe in this life you get nothing out of it in fact not only maybe do you get nothing

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out of it maybe you lose a lot of what you have and I think it's that hesitation you know to really like well

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maybe Christ will call you to give up this uh this immoral unrighteous business that you're engaged in maybe

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you'll have maybe you'll have all these relationships that you have to let go of because they've they've been built on

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this transactional mindset and they can't be SU in in a covenantal in a

32:30

covenantal way of thinking I love how you how you brought that in as well because a covenant isn't about a transaction a covenant is about is about

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a commitment and that's a word that's very popular in many of my circles and I think you're you're very right and

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saying that we've lost our sense of being covenanted to each other you know it's it's always what will this

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relationship what will this situation do to benefit me if it no longer benefits me anymore then I'll just let it go as

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opposed to know I made a binding commitment to you with blessings for faithfulness and curses for betrayal we

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don't we don't have we don't even have that word covenant anymore especially as it relates to marriage and so I think

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that's that's really spoton that all these these binding relationships of of

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mutual affection and affinity and commitment have been so frayed and torn apart I I don't even know I could say

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when that started maybe a couple hundred years ago maybe hundred years ago it probably started around 5,000 years ago

33:29

okay so what yeah there is that because let's talk about the foundation of Western Civilization right it's found

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it's Foundation is on the idea that you're not going to sacrifice right so you have Abraham and Isaac right the

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religion is founded on like oh well should we sacrifice somebody else for our own personal gains to the gods right

33:49

and so you have a whole shift mentality being like it's not sh it's not

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sacrificing someone else it's used sacrificing yourself it's about what you

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do right is always think like the story Abraham and Isaac is really interesting

34:05

because right like so he leads he's so he's there he's told to sacrifice his son for God right and so this moment

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where the angel slaps the knife away from him at the last second is the moment that Western Civilization is

34:17

created okay now do you know when the transactional mindset

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started five seconds after that five seconds after that because what Isaac or

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sorry what Abraham does immediately after is that he doesn't have full faith in God because he turns to a goat and

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sacrifices the goat instead okay so even though God told him and said hey you

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know don't do this don't do that do you don't need to do this right okay and we're going to even make you do the act

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and then you don't do it at the last second Abraham then still after all of that turns to a goat and decides to

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sacrifice the goat okay and because he didn't have full faith in God at that time not even like full full

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full full full like to the part we're complete trust right and so that

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transactional mindset has always been part of our minds right because it's like okay well I didn't do that so I'm

35:13

gonna sacrifice the goat now to appease God right even though God was probably just like uh whatever okay so you have

35:21

it this this is is is now part of just from instead of that one part right

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there it's now you have all of this in every part every aspect of society and

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um it has really ramped up like if you talk about the use of Technology right

35:39

it's really ramped up to the point where people are overc consumed by this to the point that it could this very well could

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destroy Western Civilization itself I want to check I want to check I haven't actually heard that before that

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um that uh that that was a that that was something wrong that Abraham did um

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Abraham looked up someone on this it's been a while so I'm looking at I just want to

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make sure we get that right so there's there's Genesis 22 um uh let's see uh verse n do not lay

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a hand there was ver verse 12 do not do anything to him now I know this is this is um an angel of the Lord ver Genesis

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22:12 do not lay hand on the boy the angel saido not do anything to him now I know that you fear God because you have

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not withheld from me your son your only son Abraham looked up and there in a Thicket he saw a ram caught by its horns

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he went over and took the RAM and sacrificed it as a burnt offering instead of his son so Abraham called

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that place the Lord will provide and to this day it is said on the mountain of the Lord it will be provided um uh so it

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doesn't it doesn't seem to say anything there that that was something that Abraham should not have done I mean think I think the idea is that God

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provided the sacrifice uh instead of his son so I don't think that that was I

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don't think that's not that doesn't seem to me to be presented in the text is something Abraham should have done it was the righteous action to take um a

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sacrifice was was asked he was going to give his son and God said no withhold

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your son and and here's a ram instead that you're to sacrifice instead so I think that's presented as that was a

37:21

righteous decisions you could see it like that as well yeah yeah yeah but I but I but I definitely know what you

37:27

mean that uh that the idea that well uh the transactional mindset would say I'm

37:34

going to in I'm I'm going to consciously like God tells me to give this this

37:39

thing but I I don't want to give you that this is perhaps Kan and able would be a better example of that commands

37:46

give the best and you're like well no I want to keep that back but I'll give you this instead as opposed to no our covenant means that I'm I will get

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what's demanded and trust that the righteous action itself is will have the

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blessing not simply just doing something that's quote unquote good enough like if you have a covenantal mindset with

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someone that you're in a covenant with whether it be your wife or a friend that you start a business with or whatever

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you give the thing that is demanded of the Covenant and you trust that that righteous action will be rewarded in

38:15

ways that might not add up like something measurable but the spiritual benefit of that to both of you and to

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the bond is is what will be honored absolutely and the way that it's used is

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the way now that it's used as tactically as well to divide people you know you

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look at women how they're told hey you know if you get married and have kids well you're not going to be able to have

38:37

your career you're not going to be able to do XYZ but do you see how that transactional mindset is even used as a

38:43

way to like get people to dislike each other and fight amongst each other right

38:48

so is in the Bible right Satan divides right right s Satan declares war against

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those that are righteous and and those and then the right kinds of people and so how does he do this is he takes

39:00

people and he goes well like look at them look at that man he's going to stop you from having your career look at this

39:07

uh you don't need to go to church you don't need to read the Bible you've got better things to do go build your business instead right so if you're

39:14

looking at again if you're looking at everything from this transactional mind is that how are you

39:20

entering a covenant and relationship with God it's impossible right and so what the the real question will is why

39:26

do people think like this like why do people have the transactional mindset and why is it so obvious to people to

39:34

think like this right and it's because people only believe what they see that's

39:40

right they only believe what they see like and this is something that has been

39:45

like I love the Renaissance and I love Florence Italy and stuff like that but you have this pervasive idea that comes

39:52

into society around this time where people are just like rationalism right

39:58

it's like I only believe in what my two eyes see and like if I don't see that

40:03

well then it didn't happen right and the Book of John ends all right with doubting Thomas this is always reminds

40:10

me is like there's something more than what you can see in this world right there's like you know Thomas comes he's

40:16

like hey he comes back to the party and they're like I hope I get the Bible right this time on this one like I am

40:21

let's do it and so and so you have Tois here and

40:27

he comes back right and he's just like hey what's going on and everybody's like hey well you know Jesus was right here

40:33

he's like where's he at I don't see him right and that is the that is that is part of the transactional mindset as

40:40

well oh I don't see him I don't I want to pull that verse up well one of the

40:45

things that I love right that in there is he turns around and then he runs right into Jesus right and then what I love about this is

40:53

is that Jesus says like now hey look this is my interpretation okay I'm not

40:59

saying that this is the interpretation I just want to make this clear right but the way that I see it is that Jesus

41:04

turns to him and he goes he goes you know you you knew me my whole

41:11

life you saw me all the time you saw me perform Miracles and you didn't believe

41:17

that I was here right think about all of the people who are never going to ever see me in life and still believe in

41:25

me right and so what he is he's talking about the Covenant right there he's talking about like think about you and

41:31

we've never like personally had dinner with Jesus okay but thas did and yet even then he was doubting at that time

41:38

so did I get that right will if you want to read that yeah so here's so here's

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the verse um so I've got John 20 verse 28- 30 28 says Thomas answered and said

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to him my Lord and my God and Jesus said to him because you have seen me have you now believed bless blessed are they they

41:57

who did not see and yet believed absolutely and then I also have Hebrews 11:1 now Faith is the substance of

42:04

things hoped for the evidence of Things Not Seen Faith communicates to us the

42:09

reality of these things but we can't see them with our eyes and and I think that's one of the great limitations of

42:16

what it means to be human is that we are so reliant on our our eyes our senses I

42:23

think it's a modern day problem I do because when you read about the Greeks right and stuff and I've been reading

42:28

Thomas aquinus quite a bit lately as well and so what you have is you have you have you have you have a a a deeper

42:35

understanding of like what the soul is right like this is what the soul is and so Greeks didn't sit around thinking

42:42

like oh I can I can tell everything and these were rational people right but they had a balance they weren't like oh

42:48

there's more than what we see in this world right like we have a soul right this is concept even the Greeks had

42:55

Thomas aquinus is like you have a Soul it's all of the parts that en all of the

43:00

the energy that surrounds you and runs all of your cells and everything that whole being around your body is your

43:05

soul right and so you have what you have now is so many people they don't even

43:11

believe they have a soul right so the real question in what's going on right now and how people are being manipulated

43:17

is they don't understand what it is to be human okay they believe that a human is just capable of doing a task or being

43:24

rational and operating on transactional plane and so I got on a spaces and I did

43:30

a huge debate about Ai and how AI was fake and phony and it's just a language right and this was when like I had all

43:37

of these like neurotic Microsoft Engineers on stage with me and stuff like that they

43:43

were coming up there and they were just like but you don't understand it's gonna D D D D D D you know whatever it's gonna

43:51

be better at being a human than humans right and all these well you don't even understand what it is to be human

43:57

probably because you're not Christian okay so what you have there is like there's so much like what is the energy

44:04

that flows through you how do your cells operate can any atheist ask me answer

44:09

all of these questions like what is the point of you existing what is your purpose and so none of the atheists have

44:15

any answers to that which is just abs and because why they don't understand what it is to be human they think human

44:21

is just your body and your bones and your things and your stuff and you exist just to do XYZ task every single day

44:29

this is absolute nonsense I see somebody in the chat asking this is good um how do you transend the transactional

44:35

mindset without being naive I think it's okay to have some of it like I run a business for a living I do have a like

44:41

you can't walk into my master class and I'm taking a year you told me this was no okay you your Covenant is with God

44:49

for my community it's transactional no but from what you can do from a little bit from this transactional mindset in

44:55

the world I think is that you just need to recognize this I think you need to attend church regularly I think you need to read the Bible I think you need to

45:02

pray right if you're doing those things you're already above the transactional mindset you've already transcended the

45:08

transactional mindset because when you encounter people and things and friends and family and stuff like that you're not going to look at them out of like

45:14

what can I get out of this right you're not going to look at God like that you're already going to be at a higher level of awareness and so then you're

45:20

going to look at it from the right perspective and then once you see these things you can't unsee it I'll on my X

45:27

timeline transactional mindset transactional mindset transactional mindset transactional mindset there it is again and you'll see how it's eroding

45:36

men and destroying men and red pill culture thrives on this transactional mindset right like that's like the

45:42

backbone to the whole thing it's like you don't need to get married you don't need to find a woman they're just so

45:48

like think about this that I even got to fight with some big influencers about this there are there are guys that

45:54

believe that you should get married and then what what did you do as soon as you get married oh I don't even what's it

45:59

called um what's the thing that you do when you prenuptual agreement I don't even know the name of it right because

46:04

it's so stupid right and so can you imagine getting married in front of God and being like hey I know we're getting

46:12

married in front of you today but before we do this I had my wife sign a contract okay and in this contract the two don't

46:19

really become one are you okay with this right and like it's such nonsense and so

46:26

what a lot of these red guys says like you better do this or don't even bother doing this fear fear fear fear fear

46:32

something bad is going to happen to you you know so people who are the transactional mindset or afraid of the

46:39

don't live in fear I don't live in fear right do you live in like I don't live

46:44

in fear what are you afraid of what are you afraid

46:49

of I'm afraid to tell other people about my Christian faith why do you think a shark is going to

46:56

come up and bite your arm off what what do you think is going to happen I'm afraid of living life without

47:04

this transactional mindset in my relationships I'm afraid of getting

47:10

married and then what you should really ask yourself is who installed that fear in front of you because that's who you

47:15

should be mad at who installed the fear those are the people that you should

47:21

that they they should be afraid of you honestly and so what you're doing is you

47:27

are reacting to the world can you imagine being a man and living your life

47:32

in this fearful State pathetic it's pathetic a lot of men do a lot of men do

47:37

it's unchristian what do you what do you have to fear like all fear is a lack of faith

47:45

right all fear is a lack of faith in God I don't fear because I believe in God if

47:51

I were to die tomorrow for my beliefs or whatever I say whatever

47:57

okay one of the things I like to study will is his I like to study military tactics and all these kinds of things

48:03

history all this stuff that's a whole another story but one of the things that I like to study I've been reading a lot

48:09

about the French Revolution okay and it's been blowing my mind away because everything you've been told about the

48:14

French French Revolution Is A Lie okay uh what you've been taught in school like the revolutionaries were good

48:20

people who were like doing the right there okay it's all nonsense no right

48:25

you want to know how they were so one of the things that I find really fascinating because they killed a lot of people right okay well I actually well

48:32

this is so I just started to like read about like Maran tet Elizabeth of France all these people who were like brought

48:38

to the guillotine and eventually all those people that persecuted the king Maran tet and all of the royalty they

48:43

actually wound up on the guillotine as well and I find it really interesting because you know people like Maria

48:50

Antoinette and El especially Elizabeth of France they all Met Death with courage they all Met Death with courage

48:56

and think you could tell a lot about a man a woman or a p a person by the way that they meet death itself okay all of

49:04

the French revolutionaries deep down they might have thought of themselves as atheists or even said they were atheists

49:11

but man when they were about to die they all squealed like pigs it's true they all wept they all they all they all Met

49:19

Death because they knew something was right behind that corner they couldn't see it but they knew because if they

49:26

were really atheist and they were just going to die and they just be like okay whatever right none of them met it with

49:31

courage El Elizabeth of France when she died what she said was Sav me for last and she prayed over every single person

49:37

who was being put to death out loud as loud as she could and then she was put to death no fear because she believed in

49:44

God and so you have this neurotic mentality that's going through Society um like propagated by shows like

49:50

Seinfeld right they don't have any relationships they don't have any covenants they don't have any connections with people

49:57

it's just a bunch of people who are selfish in transactional mindset and into themselves that's what Seinfeld is right like those are all the characters

50:04

why because they fear God and they're all neurotics because of it and it's like ha they're so it is a funny like

50:10

I'm not gonna lie the show actually is funny like okay but what it really does

50:15

is it helps spread neuroticism through this world right and so you have this

50:20

neurotic mindset just like hey people acting like grown adults acting like children taking no responsibility for

50:26

their actions I'm not going to get mared like oh well I broke up with her because of this XY she she had man hands or

50:32

something like that just some like silly things always looking for something right um and so what you have is people

50:38

who are just basically afraid of death itself and so when people are just like hey I am you know afraid of being in a

50:46

covenant um again it's just a lack of faith because if you have faith in God you're G to do what you need you're G to

50:52

do things the right way and guess what things are all you you shouldn't act afraid you shouldn't even be afraid

50:59

right you shouldn't even be afraid of these things you're just being afraid of silly things fear is how you are

51:04

manipulated that's what it is it's just the conduit fear is a conduit to

51:10

manipulation from Satan faith is a conduit to God okay which do you

51:18

choose it's so funny because when you and I talked for the first time whenever that was a couple years ago I I don't I

51:24

wouldn't have predicted that well really either of us but I wouldn't have predicted that our next conversation would be about these really important

51:31

topics and I I think um you know you and I met in person was it October it was late October I think just before the

51:37

election actually and I was so grateful to get to spend time with you and your family and get and get to meet face to

51:44

face and I think everyone can feel it now but like the sincerity that people are feeling from you it doesn't just go

51:51

away when the camera turns off like you and your family like you live this out and I just think that that's really

51:57

great because one of the things that's happening right now is you know Christianity is kind of trendy uh and

52:03

there's a way in which i i c yeah and there's a way in which that's good that's great news actually this is it is

52:09

I think this is good I understand what you're saying yeah I yeah yeah no it's

52:14

very good I think I think it's a good thing that Christianity be normalized you know I think it's a good thing that

52:20

people be talking about it and I think that there's a a way in which people

52:25

still manage to bring the transactional mindset towards suddenly making these these Grand professions of Faith because

52:32

they see it as benefiting them in some in some way socially and so yes so I think it's a good thing that

52:38

Christianity is being talked about more in our sort of Godless secular transactional mindset world as long as

52:45

people are careful not to bring an attitude like oh well all these cool people are talking about Christianity I

52:51

can get in with the cool people if I talk about that and there's a lot of that happening right now I still think that this is a a a still a good thing is

53:01

um now I will I will say that I'm going to preface this by saying that that's

53:06

what it feels like to me okay I haven't like sat here and contemplated this one long enough to maybe come up with like a

53:13

definitive idea but here's the thing is like there is strength in people like for instance I tweeted about it because

53:19

I wanted because I knew people would see it and then that would when they see like a big account online doing it

53:25

they're more likely to do it as well and then so they go there and then they get into it and I've gotten messages I read

53:31

one out earlier saying like hey I am attending church now because of this and I'm doing XYZ and so I do think there is

53:40

I understand like the Russell Brands right like I think that the skepticism is fine like I I caught Fleck because um

53:46

I questioned why Michael nolles would bring on what's her name nla Nyla I don't even Nala whatever her name right

53:53

because what have people have said to me is that she hasn't really actually changed any of the things that she does and she's just using this as a flag

54:00

right now I I think that the it more deserves on Michael nolles for platforming her

54:07

right like he can choose millions of different Christians to choose to have to come onto his platform and right

54:14

because when you have something like as big as he does and as big as audience as he has right you're basically what you

54:21

have is you are you are you you are almost the way as an ement right so when

54:28

when you when you're putting somebody on there on that stage is that is that really the best person that you could

54:33

put up there especially if like there's a lot of questions about XYZ maybe you maybe that's not best for them right

54:40

like maybe they should spend time getting away from the lights and getting away from the camera and getting away

54:45

and doing and building their relationship with God instead of putting in them in front of all of these cameras

54:51

and saying hey this XYZ if especially if they're not doing it like the right kind of way and then so you might go to me

54:57

and go like well this might bring other people back into the church but like there's other people Michael nolles is a

55:02

smart person he can choose from millions of different Christians to bring on to his platform will he could choose you

55:08

right like anybody I'm sure there people who are listening or watching would be better tested Bit of Faith but he's

55:14

doing it for the and then the question would be is but he needs the ratings right but he needs so so really we are

55:19

at the transactional mindset there too because this is that maybe if he was more interesting he would be able to get

55:25

better ratings right right like there's that too right so there I mean I don't

55:31

understand so it's like I have to bring her on so that I can get high ratings maybe you do a better job whenever I

55:36

create some of my content I don't go like I always blame myself I don't think

55:41

like hey I have to promote and platform this horrible person I to get the ratings right then what then what are

55:47

you right what what is this right no I'm going to platform the right kinds of

55:52

people right okay that put the right people promote the right kinds of people endorse the right kinds of people talk

56:00

about the right kinds of people that's what I do with my platform and I'm gonna be successful at it as

56:06

well so this talk where it's like well he has to do it about XYZ you're just making excuses for the guy and he should

56:13

probably take more responsibility if he has to dive that low to get the ratings

56:18

maybe it's a him problem that's just me that's my take on it no I I agree with

56:24

you by the way we can keep rolling man let's let's let's go let's go I I'll

56:30

have to troubleshoot something on my camera in just a second but I'll get to that but I think you're I think you're really right about people who platform

56:37

celebrities that make uh big professions of Faith immediately after doing so I

56:43

think it's I think it's very unkind I think it's unkind to them um it doesn't though it doesn't necessarily seem like

56:49

it I think it is kind of parasitic in a way like oh well this person has this gigantic platform and so I'm going to

56:56

have them here to talk about them and validate them in this decision it's like well wait a second are you actually

57:03

about the thing that you say that you're about as you say should you not step away for a little while and maybe go

57:09

reflect on this before making it part of your public and even your economic identity and that's the part that's kind

57:16

of troubling is that like oh hey I'm Christian now and now subscribe to my members only thing I've been a Christian

57:22

for like two weeks and now I'm going to talk about this it's like well do you know what it is that you've actually signed up for can you know what it is

57:29

you signed up for I didn't start talking about becoming a Christian you know probably for about two years after I

57:35

started my podcast because I didn't know and and I and I had read you know uh

57:40

Mere Christianity by CS Lewis and I had read um simply Christian by NT Wright

57:45

and it you know my own sanctification needed to kick in and even then my whole

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platform just became let me have on people who know what they're talking about so I can talk to them and so I can

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learn from them not let me stand up and start delivering sermons or telling

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people who have believed these things what's what like you people have been Believers their whole Liv can we talk

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about the role okay because I feel like I just went kind of through this as well will right yeah yeah so so so what

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should we be doing instead or like what should like Nyla be doing or all of these people doing instead and so I came

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so I was away for 20-some years from the church again I was raised Catholic my

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family my uh my aunt was a carite nun so it was like my extended family was was

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very Catholic my immediate family wasn't so much okay but I did go to school and

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I did find myself coming back into the faith 20 years later and um what this

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what this was for me was I'm not going to come up here and and try to tell

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people how to be Catholic or Christian okay so from my content it's none of

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this is like this is what we should do or XYZ what I well except for this one little thing here because I do

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understand social media okay only from a social media perspective I think is like what we could do is just encourage

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people to go to church that's all we need to do just encourage people lead people to scripture lead people to

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church anyone can do that right you don't have to have like this deep understanding about XYZ but what you can

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do say is like hey I'm a sinner hey know XYZ I'm I'm learning about XYZ and then

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just encourage other people to be able to participate and do the same as well and I think if I think anyone can do

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these things um so what I did as soon as one of the reasons why I started I started tweeting about how many people I

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was seeing in church when I was like I go to church will it's standing room only 10 minutes before mass starts I

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couldn't I cannot believe this I I seriously cannot believe like I I look around they've haded to they haded to

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add another service there's four Sunday Services now at our church and it is

1:00:00

just absolutely wild and they're building a new church right all at the same time twice the size and I just

1:00:06

started tweeting about this I got retweeted by Jordan Peterson about about this this was really cool and um yeah

1:00:12

multiple times because I was talking about how there was a really great great Revival that I was seeing and it wasn't

1:00:17

just me other people were noticing about that as well and I knew just by talking about other people going to church and

1:00:23

myself going to church what would happen well other people are going to be going to church as well so that's what we can

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do we don't I don't have to be there sitting here being like hey this is what you need to believe or this is like a

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part just encourage people to uh read the Bible go to church pray and then you

1:00:40

the holy spirit will take it course from there that's the way that I view it you don't have to have every little thing

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figured out that's right that and and I think but those are the important things

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the spiritual disciplines are the important things that anyone at any stage in their faith walk can encourage

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people in but talking about Doctrine talking about you know what uh what other believers should be doing or

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should be thinking I think that for for new Believers that's very dangerous territory to get into now for example I

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can talk about hey you'll hear some new age stuff that I see in the church right

1:01:15

because that's my background and I know how to spot it but for me to get up and start talking about well let me tell you

1:01:21

about the Trinity or let me tell you about you know reading scripture like like how to interpret scripture like no

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no no I could say here's what I've learned right and and phrase it that way

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but to but to start you know talking about things like should you know beyond like hey this is just my own personal

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walk of sanctification that's very that's very very dangerous territory and I've been very careful about that

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particularly because there are uh there are men that have been ordained they've studied it for years there's you know

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thousands of years of tradition of just ma like I've got some of the books back here right you know the Westminster

1:01:56

Confession of faith is just over my shoulder like do I fully understand that because until I understand something

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like that I really shouldn't be preaching Doctrine to people Beyond like my limited understanding of it so let me

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invite people on to my platform who can teach others instead of assuming that I am a teacher and I you I had someone

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advise me about that I think it was 2023 it was a great piece of advice he said

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you know will you really have to let people know that you are not to be used your platform is not to be used as a

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substitute for church I was like that's a really good that's a really good point and not because I was preaching Doctrine

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but because I had men on who were and so I did a whole episode I think it was September 2023 about like hey if you're using me

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or other podcasts or other on forms of online content as a substitute for church don't do that go actually become

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a member of a church be part of a body participate in community and to bring it back to what you're saying be part of a

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covenant because that responsibility will help grow you up grow you in the faith faster than anything and I think

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it's very easy for people to participate online and have this illusion of being

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part of something versus like no you go be part of a church and you deal with all the different things that are

1:03:12

involved with being part of a church for example things that you don't like things that you do like people you don't get along with people you do get along

1:03:19

with it's like a family right so you go and you show up and you be part of the family and you grow through that process

1:03:25

as opposed to you know what I'm going to do the easy convenient thing and I'm just going to listen to podcasts I'm going to watch sermons online and I'm

1:03:31

going to call that church well no that's that's that's pretty easy to have this illusion that you're part of something

1:03:37

but you're not actually part of something you're not growing through struggle you're not growing through conflict and Reconciliation and so I I

1:03:43

think being able to talk about things like that is okay but to stand up on a platform of hundreds of thousands or

1:03:49

millions of people and say now I am suddenly the authority on Doctrine because I have because I have these

1:03:55

people who listen listen to me I think it's a very dangerous ego trap for literally anybody but particularly new

1:04:01

Believers right absolutely all you need to do and and again all you need to do is just I just encourage people to go to

1:04:08

church that's what I do that's all I do the way I say is every time you attend church it's a win for God and a loss for

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Satan that's it every single Sunday that's it so you need to go every give

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God a w every single Sunday and go attend your church that's right that's

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pray read the Bible attend church right work on like grow in the faith you know

1:04:31

read things that are challenging read books on read books on Doctrine or or at the level that you're at you don't have

1:04:37

to go diving into you know reformed dogmatics you can start with RC Sproul or something like that something that's

1:04:43

more something that's more popular you don't have to go straight in you know to to a seminary level education but and I

1:04:50

think that's that's the way you someone had asked how do I transcend the transactional mind ET that's the way

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that you actually that's one of the ways that you actually do that is to engage thoughtfully mindfully with the faith

1:05:03

that you say that you profess how might you be wrong about the things that you believe what areas of ignorance and

1:05:09

blindness might you have how willing are you to confront yourself with the things that you don't know risk being wrong

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repent you know confess repent make restitution and that's how you overcome the transactional mindset like Jesus

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didn't die on the cross like what's in from what's in it for me he gave of himself freely and that I think is is

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the real Spirit behind overcoming the transactional mindset is not to think well if I give you this what will I get

1:05:36

from it it's like no this is asked of you you simply give you give for the joy of giving it with no expectation of

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reward or return and so so you we all can be the ones to overcome the

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transactional mindset through our choices not to Simply think that way and act in the opposite direction right

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absolutely I'm with you will I'm with you 100% on this absolutely so one of the things that you said earlier Awesome

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by the way one of the things that you said earlier um was about uh I don't remember how you how you phrased it

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maybe angry voices aggressive voices coming from a a Christian platform and

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that's that's another thing that I've been seeing a lot of lately and okay so

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hey I think a lot of these people now that the election's done they're thinking about this is this is this is

1:06:25

we need to talk about social media and its relationship with Christianity right do it okay so again I'm I hate to I hate

1:06:33

to appeal to me as being an expert but like I have been online I do have a huge audience we do do 100 million impression

1:06:40

350,000 followers I it's like it's like I can see like I know why people are

1:06:46

doing things okay and the why is the disturbing part so I see a lot of and

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this is a lot like you know Protestants Catholics and stuff like they come online I think we're post election now

1:07:00

so there's a lot of people who have built up their audiences online who are now thinking like what do I need to

1:07:05

tweet about to get the similar kinds of Engagement that I was getting back in October and November okay oh let's pick

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a fight with XYZ today you know I need to get to a thousand likes today on a

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post I need to get to my Impressions I need my Elon bucks and X ad Revenue I

1:07:24

want to make sure so so I'm going to find a tweet about the most irrit

1:07:30

irritating point about whoever denomination or whatever it is and I'm gonna post it online and I'm gonna say

1:07:38

they're going to hell or they're not Catholic or they're not Christian or they're not XYZ or they're not good or

1:07:45

like I'm gonna come off with this like really strong thing and and what you're really doing is you're abusing

1:07:51

Christianity for engagement like you are you are like you can I can engineer a

1:07:59

post that will get people up and you know one thing to do it with like triggering a lib or something like that

1:08:06

about and making something look absurd okay but then there's another thing with straw Manning and trying to make put

1:08:13

words in people's mouth and trying to start a fight just to start a fight for argument sake and just being mean to

1:08:19

people like just straight up like if you read the comments they're just they're just mean like good people don't write

1:08:25

these kinds of things and I think what you're seeing is a lot of Christian influencers influencers who are on there

1:08:32

I almost think like they're all run by like the same account too like there's so many like faceless ones I wonder if

1:08:38

like there's like an army of people or something like that they're working behind the scenes like oh you know what really make you know these people mad

1:08:45

today if we all say this together at the same time and like oh you know and then

1:08:50

it gets massive engagement and what it really is is it's really it's really bad

1:08:55

for Christianity um like even even like debates okay like I've even seen like

1:09:03

civil debates happen on spaces and the more I think about it even like those

1:09:08

debates are I think conversation is good I think like what we're doing right now

1:09:14

is good I think finding com commonality is good I think so so so here here's the

1:09:20

problem is like the Facebook ification of X right why was Facebook popular

1:09:25

eight years ago it's because Aunt Margaret could go on Facebook and complain and show her politics and look

1:09:31

like a like this is right what Facebook was was popular like eight to 10 years ago because everybody would just like

1:09:38

rant like shake their fist at this and that's what this is now is like you see the face of now since mus took over it's

1:09:44

the face ofation of X where it's not like genuinely interesting ideas it's

1:09:49

just like Hey we're going to get people all riled up and like say the things and then we'll know and we'll be able to

1:09:55

engineer shots and we'll be able to get people all riled up about it and what

1:10:00

you're doing is is it's it's not even a good way to convince people to be on your side either it's bad persuasion too

1:10:08

and so like if you wanted to convince somebody to be Christian like you don't go to them and go you beat them over you

1:10:16

you get to know the person first okay like actually have a conversation with them get to know who they are look for

1:10:23

commonality between you and them like have have real interest like don't sit

1:10:28

there and go like wag your finger at them acting like you are a better person than them and that's that's just going

1:10:35

to raise their defenses up higher okay what you need to do is people want to build relationships with people that

1:10:41

they know and they like think about how the apostles worked right did they like they they went and actually lived inside

1:10:47

the areas lived inside the communities embedded themselves inside of communities got to know the people that were inside of of course they would

1:10:54

correct them and try to make them know but they would look for commonalities right and so you have all of these

1:10:59

keyboard Warriors Christian keyboard Warriors out there who are just looking to pick fights with other people and

1:11:05

what you're really doing is you're not even convincing them to join your side you're making Christianity look bad

1:11:11

you're getting people upset you're you're there's people that have come to me being like yeah I've had to like stop

1:11:17

being on social media because all I do is just re just put them on mute like just stop engaging with these people put

1:11:23

them on mute and I think actually calling them out would be a good way to do I've actually called a few of them

1:11:28

out just being like my least favorite accounts on X are the Christian accounts that just cause fights with other Christians like that's it like they are

1:11:35

my least favorite accounts on X why don't you do something again by the way I've learned this in a long time the

1:11:41

type of content you create will attract the audience that you deserve okay so if you go online every single day and go

1:11:48

hate hate hate hate hate right it's like the haters it's the haters Club hate all

1:11:53

they do is hate then you're you're going to attract a hateful angry audience those are the people that are going to

1:11:59

click the follow button those are the people that are going to engage with your content not people who are like

1:12:05

naturally curious about Christianity and want to be a better person and want to raise a family and want to do well for

1:12:10

themselves and want to build something and want to do something to glorify God right it you're just gonna attract

1:12:17

people who are just angry and it's like is that the audience so so wind up they wind up like in their own little circle

1:12:23

they wind up like creating this content that's angry all the time they get the good engagement so they think they need to do more of it and then they wind up

1:12:30

getting that audience and then they can't they try to deviate from this path once or twice and it doesn't do well

1:12:37

because they never built that audience they built the angry audience and now that's all they have they are doomed like Copus right they're doomed to go

1:12:44

every day they are now doomed to their fate of going onto the keyboard and typing angry single stuff every single

1:12:50

day and getting people all riled up because they view the world through a transactional mindset that's why and so

1:12:57

they believe their worth is tied into how many likes retweets and comments they're getting under their

1:13:04

posts okay they turned their own faith into a dopamine hit oh my gosh I if I

1:13:13

don't get to my gosh if I don't anger this other denomination today I'm not

1:13:18

gonna hit 200 likes how sad is that like yeah if I don't say these awful things

1:13:25

about these people and lie about them I won't be able to get so I've been

1:13:31

really careful to kind like I have had some funny posts okay look I'm Catholic like I I did have the original like the

1:13:37

Protestant Church in the Pizza Hut thing like I did I I would admit that okay it was it's it's it's it's absurd though

1:13:43

okay that's like I actually don't really believe that guys okay I just want to say that right like it's it's using

1:13:49

humor from an absurdity standpoint I'm not actually trying to like did get so people did message me

1:13:56

about that like that's not true okay fine so like you know I did an opposite of that too where it was all good and

1:14:02

stuff like that of course it didn't do as well but like I don't sit there all day right which is fine I knew it wouldn't but I did it anyway so um I I

1:14:11

don't sit there though and tie every single post into like how many likes or tweets you know that's not what you're

1:14:19

that's not what you should be doing that's not what you you should be your content is your life now if you believe

1:14:25

these things right about XYZ maybe you can come at it from a positive perspective so like through all those

1:14:31

Christian influencers who are just getting other people riled up all day long or telling people they're bad or

1:14:38

they're going to hell about XYZ maybe you should like instead show people

1:14:43

right right instead of just like telling people maybe you should show like hey I'm doing this charity drive this week

1:14:51

or hey I'm working with this I'm working with the poor I'm doing and not for likes right like you could just do it

1:14:57

just to do it because you're a good human being and maybe that'll Inspire somebody else to do it right or or hey

1:15:03

you know what I'm going to church today who's joining with me who's going there I invited two people to go to church with me you know maybe you can encourage

1:15:10

people to start doing the right things by showing that you do the right things instead of just sitting there wagging

1:15:16

fingers and treating other Christians poorly I just think it's it's it's a it's it's an unchristian thing to

1:15:23

do it's very attempting to use social media to fight battles that either you

1:15:28

have no real ability to fight or win or that are deeply counterproductive and I

1:15:33

see a lot of that and you know I I just look at that say that's not something that I have any desire to participate in

1:15:40

I can engage in theological discussions denominational discussions I can do all that I just don't I don't want to

1:15:48

participate in any of that because I don't think it's going to go anywhere and in fact even when I even when I

1:15:53

engage with kind of new Eastern mysticism people I always make sure to differentiate between the uh the

1:16:00

Apostles of false religion because they are out there I have a a I think I'm pretty sure it's a woman who follows me

1:16:07

and she's an advocate for ADV Vidant Hinduism essentially Hindu mysticism it's really bad it's really bad so um I

1:16:16

will and and she engages quite aggressively and I will engage her back you know in the same spirit that she

1:16:22

approaches me with obviously not being rude or descending or anything like that but in the same Spirit of like no this

1:16:28

is this is righte a righteous form of combat but an average person who shows up asking honest questions will get a

1:16:35

we'll get an honest loving response and so I think that that's that's an appropriate way to engage Christ

1:16:41

christianly but like when you do that with your brothers and your sisters in the faith you know over issues that you

1:16:48

guys are not going to work this out on the timeline I'm sorry people were been burned and hanged

1:16:55

yeah like like those things right like what what you're not going to convince anybody because of a tweet that they saw

1:17:02

they're not going to be like oh that's that's a banger that's it like I'm out like you know what I'm saying like it's

1:17:08

so absurd that's just not how the world works okay that Meme totally changed

1:17:14

everything for me right like you know so especially with

1:17:20

things when it comes from a covenant perspective right somebody was talking

1:17:25

about the transactional mindset in the comment section I also want to say something like this is uh and I think

1:17:30

this is an underrated I think one of the most important books that a man can read other than the Bible right or at least a story right you need to familiarize

1:17:38

yourself with Dr Fus okay and so do right so Doc it's I think the most

1:17:43

underrated story that exists and I think everybody should take a look at this so Dr FES right is someone who gets ens

1:17:50

snared because the Satan Works through a transactional mindset right Dr f this is a wealthier guy right I think like he's

1:17:57

a baron or something like that and you know he's bored right he has Idle Hands

1:18:03

and so one day he decides to seek someone who can find him the devil and it's like hey look I want to make a deal

1:18:09

with the devil I want a more interesting life right and so he makes a deal with the devil a transaction like he actually

1:18:16

signs over his life to the devil and what's really interesting will is that

1:18:21

this story right it actually has two endings right I don't know if people

1:18:28

actually know this about Dr FES and you can look this up yourself guys they talk about Mar Marlo or go yeah okay yeah so

1:18:35

Marlo's Dr Fus has two endings to it right and he was actually shortly killed

1:18:41

after he wrote this by the way stabbed in the eye yes right right yeah makes

1:18:47

you wonder right so the original ending to this has before he's about to hand

1:18:54

over his to the devil because there's an actual clock like you have this XYZ amount of years an angel visits him and

1:19:00

tries to convince him that you can get out of it even at the last second right and what he does is I I I'm gonna

1:19:08

actually have to like look up exactly what happens here but this was removed right like this hope part was removed

1:19:14

shortly after Marlo's death to like try to like playcate modern audience even

1:19:20

modern audiences back like in the 16th century right so um what you have is

1:19:25

like understanding that everything works at like this transactional value is like really is what you're doing is like

1:19:31

you're signing away a part of your soul you're signing away a part of who you are you're signing away your authenticity you're signing away your

1:19:37

Covenant you're signing away your relationship with God like hey and and you see so many people now the devil has

1:19:44

gotten so everything is like a fian deal right like in a way right the way the

1:19:50

modern society is like hey you can go to college and get the job but you have

1:19:55

kids right you can right did you sign the contract yeah

1:20:02

right you can you can um get this wealth but you have to commit all of these evil

1:20:08

things to do it you have to get XYZ you can get this sort of Engagement as a Christian influencer but you got to

1:20:13

troll these people and misrepresent them right so what you're really doing is

1:20:18

you're forming a fan deal with the devil when you do this you're signing a part

1:20:23

of you you're part of your soul away to the devil when you do this and so you

1:20:29

need to so how do you how do you do this trans so part of like belief in Christ itself is the truth right so you even

1:20:36

having it is like mental armor right is like I think like Paul talks about is like actual armor it actually is like

1:20:42

mental real Spiritual armor yeah Armor of God arm yeah that allows you to be

1:20:47

able to operate at a certain level where you aren't manipulated by this like fear

1:20:53

and anger and these which where the fan deal comes in to do XYZ okay so that's

1:20:59

one of the ways that you could just Bel in God itself and you can build this life eventually too like even like a

1:21:05

foundation like one of the things is is like one of the best things that you ever could tell an evil person is that

1:21:11

you're not interested okay it's actually really hilarious like um you can tell

1:21:17

people who are looking to make a FY and deal with you that you don't really care okay this takes away all of the from

1:21:25

Satan instantly right so like you know if somebody so I always talk about my top and these tweets never do well but I

1:21:31

always put them out there because they're like kind of coded like build yourself a life that is unbi from Satan

1:21:37

okay that's right it starts with God by the way it starts with your Covenant with God right but there's other things that you can do solidify yourself

1:21:43

participate in church act moral financially responsible all of these

1:21:49

things will help you build a life that is in a way that is makes you un viable

1:21:55

from Satan so you know when Satan comes to you he's like well what's the price right right so like what's the but if

1:22:02

you live a certain way of living you're going to be basically making yourself

1:22:07

unbi right and so then you can have your own opinions you can be authentic these are the people that I find interesting

1:22:12

in the world by the way like you might some people might find Madonna interesting why she just sold out so

1:22:19

you're just watching a Satan's puppet like or whoever like whatever pop

1:22:24

influencer is the fake thing of the day Taylor myth or whatever Swift whatever

1:22:31

thing is Taylor Swift like who cares s you're just watching someone who's sold

1:22:36

out and so none of their what appeals to me and what I find interesting as a

1:22:42

person is authenticity in real people and real conversations and I almost like seek people like will Spencer who

1:22:49

haven't like done this kind of thing because you can you can sense their

1:22:54

authenticity from there especially when you've been there as well so when I when I talk I think it's really important to

1:23:00

build a life that becomes unable and again one of the things that you could do if you want to like

1:23:06

frustrate evil and just say hey I don't care oh you don't want more you don't

1:23:12

want to have XYZ and all these things and da D D D D no I'm fine I already I

1:23:17

do I I every single day I wake up my life is beautiful I'm grateful for the

1:23:23

life that I have M right just telling Satan that himself makes him cower and

1:23:29

fear well the the important thing about that is you can't actually because a lot of people would say I will I will sell

1:23:36

out to make myself unbi right and then and then I'll cross that finish line and then that's when

1:23:42

I'll be unbi I've seen I've seen this countless times you know particularly interacting with some guys on Instagram

1:23:48

years ago when I was more active on that platform like well I'm going to build up my platform really big and then I'm

1:23:53

going to start talking about Christianity it's like no that's not how this works like you're just not suddenly

1:23:59

going to find the courage to step out on stage and to say the thing that you've been wanting to say the whole time when

1:24:06

everything is on the line you're just you're probably not going to find that Courage the only way to do it this is what I decided for myself is I'm going

1:24:12

to talk about this every step of the way and I will get where I get if I get nowhere then I get nowhere right but I'm

1:24:19

not going to say like oh I'm going to get my platform to you know X hundreds of thousands and then I'm going to do this big review like hey everyone

1:24:25

surprise I'm a Christian I don't think it actually works that way you have to have you have to be of Integrity every

1:24:32

step along the way otherwise how can you know you've ever gotten anywhere like you said like the people who who get

1:24:38

trapped in this mode of uh engagement through outrage that they do the outrage baiting their reward is that now they

1:24:45

have outraged followers all the time who need more red meat thrown at them and as soon as you try to say something

1:24:51

positive that's like that's not what we're here for we want the rage bait it's like well I don't feel like doing that today well sorry then we'll go

1:24:57

somewhere else those people are profoundly fickle by the way but if you start out by speaking from this a

1:25:04

position of Truth and integrity every step of the way the people who come to you are the ones who are going to stick

1:25:10

around and it may not be as many as those attracted by the outrage bait but you know that the ones there are loyal

1:25:16

for who you are as opposed to who you're pretending to be right I I think that

1:25:21

that's the way that that's the way that I run my I think has been one of my best business decisions to be able to do

1:25:27

something like this so that's why and it it is like oh well certain people aren't going to like it well then they can deal

1:25:34

with it right oh well then oh well that's big internet that's how yeah like

1:25:39

that's but but that's a beauty of the internet will is that really if you are authentic like with all of the fake

1:25:46

influencers that are out there and all of the fake people who are out there the authenticity is going to shine through

1:25:52

okay so like one of our mantras in class is that you when you're building your business online you're doing everything

1:25:58

from a you're you're building a business for life okay you're not doing you're you're you're getting people you're

1:26:04

You're Building

1:26:11

lifelong coin to them or like you know what I'm saying right you don't do that by abusing your audience you do that you

1:26:18

do all of the right things by creating authentic content that people love engaging with your audience being a man

1:26:23

of the people being truthful making your content your life if you ever release

1:26:28

some kind of like product or offer or you sell something online it needs to be really really really really

1:26:34

good so that people are like wow you actually really care about your audience

1:26:40

and so that's that's the way that I've operate and I know there's some people

1:26:45

in the chat that are like that's cool um the uh there's some people out here

1:26:51

that like oh they think social media has been an social media has been a net negative because human beings are are

1:26:58

bad people okay um so the way that I want to social media itself isn't bad

1:27:05

like I have used social media because I'm aware of what I do and I'm like really hyper aware of it to do

1:27:11

good things for myself and hopefully I have done it to like get people to go to

1:27:17

church and read the Bible more often and be more interested in faith and they can help better themselves in life your so

1:27:23

social media like your take on it is more of a reflection on what you consume

1:27:28

online okay so if I consume all of like these like rage bity people the algo is

1:27:34

going to continually feed those for can I talk a little bit about how the algo actually really works okay do it so the

1:27:40

algorithm was designed by people who are some of the smartest people in the world and have gotten paid million billions of

1:27:46

dollars really uh to design an algorithm that keeps people addicted and looking looking so this has actually been

1:27:52

studied for a lot longer than people think back in like around 20145 they studied uh the mentality of

1:27:59

people who were pulling Jackpot Slots okay like slot machines the way that the timeline really works is to keep you

1:28:06

sitting there like someone who is playing the slot machines at Vegas in an infantile State clicking a button

1:28:12

continually seeing there if you ever watch those people in Vegas they like just hit the thing they pull the thing

1:28:17

again they pull the thing again pull the thing it's actually called jackpot Theory it's like an idea that is inside

1:28:23

from people who who built the algorithm now the way the algo works is is this

1:28:29

it's there to keep you designed on the timeline as long as possible keep streaming it's to keep you on your phone

1:28:35

for as long as possible so the so the the posts get shown to other people right outside of your circle and out

1:28:40

side of your bubble are the ones that people are spending the most time on now there's also another component that most

1:28:46

people don't talk about right this is that it's never going to be something that gets you to be fulfilled for that

1:28:52

reason okay is always going to make you thinking I need one more hit right and

1:28:59

that's the whole jackpot thing like in Vegas the way the slots work it's like oh I was so close oh like and so the

1:29:06

same thing happens to you when you're scrolling the timeline like oh man o that's good oh I need another I need

1:29:12

another anger hit I need another thing so none of the content that's ever shown to you online is going to make you think

1:29:19

like fully spiritually fulfilled that's what you have the Bible for anyway that's what you have church for anyway okay it's always there to keep you there

1:29:26

engaged on your phone in like a zombified state and spiritually

1:29:31

unfulfilled okay now how do you use content social media for the right way

1:29:36

well then you need to understand that social media is really a big networking site okay it's not a Content driven site

1:29:42

it's a networking site X is what we tell is a networking site and you use it to meet people to make connections and so

1:29:49

that you can better your own life off of the platform so one of the reasons why I'm even on this call today is because I

1:29:55

met will I think will responded to one of my emails so I have an email list right I remember this cuz I was driving

1:30:00

my car my wife wrote the email I was voice dictating it right it's like will Spencer was messaging me you were asking

1:30:06

me about create published profit that we were doing and I was like will like respond back to this guy I've heard of this guy before right send him a message

1:30:13

big name right and then we're doing a podcast and now we're doing this and now you have a lot bigger audience because

1:30:18

you've been doing the stuff that we've been talking about that's right what you have here is because what we do is we instill the right X is a networking site

1:30:25

social media is there for you to be social and meet people so that you and

1:30:31

so that's why it's really important about creating the right kinds of content because your content is a conduit to another person it's a bridge

1:30:37

to another person it's going to attract the right kinds of people okay and most people are on there they're just

1:30:42

thinking like it's about the likes it's about the retweets it's about the raate The Impressions and stuff like that sure

1:30:47

like maybe from an algorithmic standpoint but what's more important is the type of people that you're meeting

1:30:53

and getting people DM you and Mee so that's one of the reasons why we run a community called masterclass masterclass

1:30:58

247.com is because what we do there from behind the scenes is then we all get to know each other we do live calls we help

1:31:06

each other build we take we have people helping each other out creating content meeting people and that's what social

1:31:13

media is about like I told you we met in real life will like we get right you

1:31:18

should using social media to meet people that will change your life off of the platform so if you're using it for that

1:31:24

reason then you're using it for the right reasons the only problem is 99% of

1:31:29

people aren't using social media for the right reasons I should write an email about this now that I think about it you

1:31:34

should so yeah that's what you have is just so many people who are thinking like it's about getting the most views I

1:31:42

saw Mr Beast oh he is so awesome yeah but you can be using social

1:31:48

media for a lot of other reasons as well and it starts with making connections with people for far more why do people

1:31:54

go to college guys why do people really go to college do they go for the piece of paper or for like this particular

1:32:01

class you don't really actually learn anything in the classes I'm gonna be honest with you right like you don't

1:32:06

learn how to be a teacher by taking education classes in a room you learn how to be a teacher by being a teacher

1:32:12

right and this is like pretty much with like you don't learn until you're actually Felding live fire in your field

1:32:19

right and so it doesn't really do a great job of preparing you for what you're going to be doing right I think

1:32:25

college by the way could be done in one year really just basically cares all the things get out okay but that'd be bad

1:32:31

for the bottom line anyway what you really go to college for and why you need a degree is because you want the

1:32:36

prestige and you want the association with the people who went to that school for the network but you don't need it

1:32:42

anymore you can just skip the line and go right on social media and the quality of your ideas decides who your network

1:32:49

is okay so that's the power of social media you can build whatever you deserve

1:32:55

on there so okay so question for you so so I think and that's been the greatest

1:33:01

benefit that I've had not just for uh not just for X but also my podcasts like I've I've joked for years since the

1:33:08

first year I was doing it that um if you contact a random famous or successful

1:33:14

person you say do you want to talk on the phone for an hour they'll say no but if you contact them and say do you want

1:33:19

to talk on the phone for an hour and I'll record it and put it on the internet they say yes so that's that's been my observation

1:33:26

with with podcasts in general and and X has been fantast a fantastic networking site in so many different ways but I I

1:33:33

think that there's a mindset out there which certainly I've participated in and which I see around on the timeline all

1:33:40

the time which is part of why I've lost a lot of interest is there's a perspective that X is combat that it's

1:33:46

that it's Warfare that it's maybe it's War for public perception maybe it's ideological Warfare as in the war of

1:33:53

ideas is that still true is that a good thing yes there is there is a ideological war

1:33:59

of ideas but it's won by networking okay okay right so a lot of people think like

1:34:05

hey I'm gonna write the angriest tweet and make the others what you're really doing is you're making them double and triple down look I understand how to

1:34:11

persuade people I studied this for a long time it's one of the reasons why I've been able to get be successful online but I'm going to tell you guys

1:34:17

something you should never enter a conversation with a person like like what's the worst kinds of awkward

1:34:22

conversation it's like those holiday dinners that you have it's like those Thanksgiving dinners those Christmas dinners where you know you

1:34:29

have like the the the person in the family who has a lot of opinions you

1:34:34

know what I'm saying you everybody knows what I'm talking about they want to come over and they want to talk to you about politics it could be like extreme

1:34:40

leftwing or right-wing or religion or they want to tell you how what you're doing is is a bad person right you've

1:34:46

all experienced this before why is it so bad right do any of those people ever

1:34:53

wind up converting the other person to their world frame and world view no because they're argumentative

1:34:59

and they're combative and they already look at you they don't come from a relationship perspective and so that's

1:35:04

how many of you guys operate online with the same you're like the ant you're like the half drunken wine ant at the family

1:35:12

gathering online right just spewing your opinions out into the world and you look

1:35:17

like an idiot okay and so the problem is is that you don't realize that you're actually repelling people from your

1:35:23

ideas you're repelling people from Christianity because you don't look you don't look good while you do it right so

1:35:29

here's a persuasion tip for you guys who are listening never look to win an argument with somebody on the spot ever

1:35:36

ever I never go to if I have a disagreement with somebody ideologically I never go and say I'm gonna have a

1:35:43

conversation with them and during the by the time this conversation is over they're going to agree with me 100%

1:35:49

that's the incorrect way to get somebody to pers to to see your world view what I like to say is I'm going to hear them

1:35:56

out I'm going to understand where they are and then maybe I'll say one or two things to them that will make them

1:36:01

question their world view when they're ready for it okay so like I can hear somebody like um X I'm not going to

1:36:08

specifically like name somebody right now or say something but if somebody came to me with like an AB okay so let's

1:36:13

say that somebody was like an extreme leftist we'll all agree with this one like and was like public schools are

1:36:18

like the greatest thing since sliced bread okay what I would say to them is like wow really tell me about you I used

1:36:24

to be a public school teacher oh wow 20 I did 20 years I it's really tough I remember those teacher LS tell me about

1:36:30

what's going on you do so much good work and you work so hard I understand what it's work like what it's work be working

1:36:36

60 70 hours per week but then I would tell them maybe a story about how I went to like a Catholic school and how

1:36:41

everything was so good in these schools because they believed in God right and then I would say well then there would

1:36:47

be a fundamental I wouldn't say anything like you know I wouldn't like make them

1:36:52

feel bad but I would put like one or two ideas into their mind to make them look into what's going to happen in their own

1:36:59

world and then like maybe they can see it and then like when that happens it triggers in their mind and then they

1:37:04

start to see things the way that I see it okay so that's kind of the way that you actually persuade people the right

1:37:10

way it's like you give them one or two like Torpedoes right like but you don't say anything you don't even make you

1:37:16

just casually say it right and then when they have to confront this into the when

1:37:21

that situation triggers into the real world maybe a month or two or maybe even six months after they then think about

1:37:27

what you said and then that becomes their new frame so what you have is all of these idiots on the internet just

1:37:33

yelling and screaming at each other and really what they're they're not accomplishing anything they're actually not accomplishing anything zero other

1:37:41

than maybe getting a few extra Elon bucks that's it and they're they're act and in fact

1:37:48

they're probably repelling people from church right like and confusing people

1:37:54

I don't think that they're getting people into it no no it it it doesn't put it doesn't

1:38:00

put a good foot forward now there are there are individuals that are worth that are worth engaging with in a

1:38:06

contentious way and I Think Jesus modeled that with the Pharisees but the vast majority of the Jews walking around

1:38:12

in Israel at the time were not themselves Pharisees and so you have to have a you know an apostle a false

1:38:17

religion versus a refugee from false religion and you have to identify who that person is and I think one of the

1:38:23

problems that people can fall into is this belief that anyone who doesn't agree with me is opposed to me right

1:38:29

that's the the ant whoever at Thanksgiving or whatever who needs to engage with everyone because they're all

1:38:34

her enemy and you can't think that way it's not it's not that form of of combat

1:38:40

at least not with Christianity in that way because you're actually trying to win people over through confession and

1:38:46

repentance not through conquering them you can't conquer someone's heart from

1:38:51

the outside I agree with you will and what you see is just basically like you know you're G to do you're going to

1:38:58

feel if you're not this that's it you know and again you're not you're your if

1:39:03

your goal is to do XYZ if your goal is to see more people reading the Bible be Catholic or Christian or whatever or

1:39:10

going to church whatever your goal is if you're just going to yell and scream at the other side that's not going to get

1:39:15

people inside that's not going to get people to see your worldview in fact it's going to do the opposite it's going to make them double and triple and

1:39:21

quadruple down right like that's it's like the the the Scott Adams talks about this like the two

1:39:27

worlds two worlds uh what was it the two screens effect it's where you have

1:39:33

people it's like if you instead of cogni instead of triggering their cognitive dissonance instead what you're doing is

1:39:39

you're making them double quadruple and this is why you see so many libs with such absurd values right like and

1:39:46

embracing many absurd World Views because they have just hammered down in

1:39:52

the same area again and again and again and again and again and again because people haven't actually gone to them the right way and like trying to persuade

1:39:59

them to get over to the other side I think that's kind of hard for some people to hear but like basically just telling them that they're like stupid or

1:40:06

a libtard or something like that isn't going to make a libtard go like oh I

1:40:11

can't wait to be on the other side they're gonna go dude do you see how rude those people

1:40:17

are maybe maybe may maybe I know that they're the bad guys I know that they're

1:40:23

the wrong people and I'll Embrace whatever world view because I know that they're bad I can just I I just know it

1:40:30

okay I just feel it and I know it and now I'm going to rationalize whatever fact right because that's going to allow

1:40:37

me to keep this because I know that they're wrong so you know people need to be careful about that especially in

1:40:44

Christianity because you can repel people to a point where that they may think that they are on the right side of

1:40:50

the fence they may believe like hey you know the last time I dealt with these kinds of people they made me feel this

1:40:57

certain way or they may told me that this was going to happen to me or XYZ so you guys need to be need to be careful

1:41:02

with the way that you're engaging with not just other Christians but with people who aren't Christian as well yeah

1:41:08

there there is a component of understanding the the world view that someone lives inside and coming to see

1:41:15

well you see that pain point that you have right there there's a flaw on how

1:41:20

you see reality that's causing that friction that's causing that pain whether that be are you are you uh in

1:41:27

pain in a relationship or business or something like that part of that could be like you you see that belief that

1:41:33

belief is wrong and that that wrong belief is running up against the world of Truth and if you just get rid of that

1:41:41

lie if you get rid of that wrong belief you'll see that everything goes better instead of saying you're wrong you're

1:41:46

evil Etc now look there there are bad people out there there are bad people with bad intentions who act who do the

1:41:53

wrong thing you know because they enjoy doing the wrong thing so I don't I don't mean that you know there is that

1:41:58

percentage of people who are genuinely uh to borrow Jordan Peterson's word malevolent right there are those people

1:42:05

that are out there but those are not the majority of people that we're going to interact with every day and so by by

1:42:11

taking those glasses off that this person is my enemy or this person I'm in competition again it's a transactional

1:42:16

mindset perhaps where it's like the transactional mindset would say like the the more that there is for you the less

1:42:22

that there is for me let let's talk about how the red pill does this because I I can't wait to talk about the red

1:42:27

there are there are many of you that are listening who are under the spell of the red pill okay so if I wanted to so if I

1:42:34

wanted to divide and conquer you okay and remember I studi like milit like the first thing I would do is I would make

1:42:39

you afraid and fearful of the other side okay and so red pill culture uses this so effectively but they also do it by

1:42:46

gaslighting you right off of the bed okay so here's the gas light okay they go you can you only have two options you

1:42:53

have the blue pill right you can be blue pill NPC or you can be accepting the

1:42:59

truths of the reality those that we tell you that are true by the way okay and then so here's your false dichotomy by

1:43:05

the way let's take a look at that other side they're doing x y z right your only

1:43:11

solution to this is to embrace the red pill we are not the Matrix this is how you get out of the matrix by the way

1:43:16

trust us we are not the Matrix this is what this is what the red pill will tell you if I was The Matrix the first thing

1:43:22

I would tell you is that we weren't The Matrix okay I'd be like we're not the Matrix we are not the Matrix guys I

1:43:29

we're not the Matrix and then so what you really have is you have a lot of young men embracing the red pill because

1:43:35

they were put into the blue pill world of like hey we went to public school and like I haven't seen a male figure in my

1:43:42

my classes and I didn't see a teacher and I was raised without a father and all these XYZ and then so they look to these red pill guys because they're the

1:43:48

first solution to the problem that they created themselves and then so what you have is a lot of these red pill guys

1:43:55

this is what they don't understand is like we talked a lot about like Christ pill right what you really need blue

1:44:02

pill and red pill it's like both like hands of The Wizard of Oz right it's like the light and the dark right and

1:44:08

then so what you have really is like if you want to escape if you really want to leave the ma The Matrix is that you take

1:44:15

the Christ pill right you could take the red pill but you're still ins snared by The Matrix if you want to embrace the

1:44:21

truth you accept Jesus Christ okay you accept the truth and so what you have is you have so many people who

1:44:28

are duped by believing like I got out of the matrix by being in the Matrix and getting all of by worshiping money and

1:44:35

by doing all of these things I'm but they don't realize is that the Matrix just chained them into the Matrix yeah

1:44:42

and what makes Christ so compelling is that that's why it says the way the truth in life right it's like this is

1:44:49

the TR like it's like Christ knew about the red pill 2,000 years before they even tried this because he already

1:44:55

because he did because he knew that they would say hey like here's our false way to do it no the the real way to do it is

1:45:01

here and so you have these red pill guys they operate from a fear perspective

1:45:07

like you can't trust women you can't trust or or or you can't

1:45:13

right you can't trust women I don't again now you have been

1:45:18

preconditioned now they put planted a seed in your mind right the next time you see a woman do something you're now

1:45:25

gonna the cognitive distance is going to hit right so how good they are at persuasion they understand it at my

1:45:30

level right like you just implant this you can't trust women oh I trust women oh next time she breaks up with you man

1:45:36

you'll see six months from now something happens something bad happens to you you got to blame somebody you got to

1:45:41

scapegoat somebody right you can't take responsibility yourself um so now you're looking for an easy answer to that red

1:45:47

pill culture is there to save you and so you have a lot of these guys I think the

1:45:53

worst part about R I am G to dunk on rap I'm G to take my I'm gonna okay the

1:45:58

saddest part about these guys is like they're older than me right they're older than me and they are they're older

1:46:06

than me and they're leading the saddest lives so when I look at their lives I go I don't know to me it's sad okay so I

1:46:13

grew up I I I lived in Miami for a while okay like I lived in Miami for a while

1:46:19

one of the saddest things is you would go to these clubs right and then you would see like all of these older guys who were like in their 50s right sitting

1:46:26

in the club like still trying to pick up chicks and all these things and like every every younger person what's

1:46:32

running through their body is like this is so sad these people are so sad these red pill guys who are Hustlers and are

1:46:38

much older and they're still doing the same shtick because they can't come up with a third Act Right is really what it

1:46:44

is um because they haven't accepted Christ is that could you IM like what is

1:46:49

Andrew Tate gonna be like when he's 65 years old I know do you think he's really GNA have any

1:46:55

influence of course he won't because people are people in their 20s are going to look at him like he's a sad dude well

1:47:01

that'll be the next guy who comes along and takes his place right yeah like it won't the character won't be believable

1:47:07

he's a literal living Meme and so the character won't be believable it's like Elvis right it's like fat Elvis right

1:47:14

and so like Tate is entering his fat Elvis phase right now and like he doesn't even realize it where he becomes

1:47:20

a meme upon the meme right and see this with a lot of celebrities who are worshiped and told they're Gods right

1:47:26

this is true the the the the danger of being told that you're a God and like putting yourself on a pedestal like all

1:47:33

of these like Tates and Taylor Swifts and Elvises and the Beatles as well it's like that ultimately they become

1:47:38

caricatures of themselves okay that's that's the danger of the actual fan

1:47:44

deals that you actually lose touch with reality itself and so you see these guys like

1:47:49

Tate right and so obviously they're not going to have any like he was so irrelevant will that he had to go on

1:47:55

Nick Fuentes is uh election night pocket that's what will that's that's that's where they were at they were like hey

1:48:02

I'm gonna go Nick Fuentes on Election night while Trump was winning is is like I'm gonna have to go and get Andrew Tate

1:48:08

on here to be REM remaining relevant being anti-matrix is a PO is a is an

1:48:14

option in The Matrix no well that could be that could be particularly

1:48:20

true right but if you understand when the Matrix was

1:48:26

constructed right which is actually in the Bible when they explain when the Matrix was constructed the mental Matrix

1:48:32

is that you have a um you have this you

1:48:37

have this is why Jesus says he's the way of the truth and the life that is really the is is do you fear death

1:48:44

right this goes back to my other question is like people who really fear people who fear death are stuck in The

1:48:51

Matrix right I don't do you ever see the one of my favorite scenes is Indiana Jones in the

1:48:57

Last Crusade okay where he's in ven going you know exactly where I'm going I love this scene so much go watch this

1:49:03

one scene it's a great movie and so um he had there's a scene where Indiana Jones and he's looking for the Chalice

1:49:10

right the holy grail and he goes inside underneath the Stree of Venice and so there's like a society that protects the

1:49:17

holy grail and so they find him and you know they get in a fight and like they're on these boats and like he

1:49:22

cornner the lead head guy of this and the dude's like kill me I don't care my soul's already with God and like this is

1:49:29

really the way that you need to operate with Satan it's like whatever I have no fear and then so like that like hits

1:49:36

Indie so hard that he's just like dude he just lets him go like he's just like whoa this is an authentic real dude

1:49:43

right this is an UNF this guy cannot be partaken of fan deal this guy does not

1:49:48

have a transactional mindset he's willing to lay it all on the line and again you know so you see a lot of these

1:49:55

uh people who are like these red pill influencers it's like they're trying to get you addicted to hate they're trying to get you addicted to fear they're

1:50:02

trying to get you and in all of this ways that they're they're really just again it's like the neuroticism of

1:50:07

Seinfeld you're seeing like people just basically are just being conditioned to live these little lives where they just

1:50:15

fear death itself they don't even like contemplate their existence in their soul sad yeah I fully agree with you

1:50:21

about Andrew Tate I appreciate that because you know he became very popular basically overnight

1:50:27

in 2022 and you know of course he's become a subject of discussion again and all he

1:50:34

does is have men jump into the other ditch of the Matrix materialism you know

1:50:41

uh promiscuity right arrogance ego and he will say don't get married don't have

1:50:48

kids you know or don't be a you know sire children but don't be a don't be a

1:50:53

father to them don't die to yourself to actually raise up righteous kids and it's so impoverished and it's so empty

1:51:00

and that is literally the whole manosphere world it was it it's a dead end like all of these influencers who

1:51:06

are young and fit and awesome and they're talking about you know all of the all of these uh Lifestyles and ways

1:51:12

of living and ways of being it's like bro you're going to be 65 or 70 one day and then and then what how much trt can

1:51:19

you take right are you going to be the 70-year-old gray dude who's juicing on steroids still and a lot of guys will be

1:51:26

it's like the life is sterile it's ultimately very sterile and very deeply

1:51:31

impoverished and when you show PE when you when you point that out they get really mad because they have images of

1:51:39

themselves of being this like nii and Uber mench law of the Jungle I'm the I'm the the biggest you know Monster in in

1:51:46

in the jungle or whatever it's like well someone else younger and more powerful is going to come along and take your

1:51:51

stuff and that's happens that's what the law of the Jungle leads to always and

1:51:56

the the flaw in the mindset is that they always say that the strongest will survive but then when someone stronger

1:52:03

comes along and takes their stuff they don't say yes the Triumph of my a

1:52:09

ideology they complain it's not the strong it's not the strongest that survived by the way it's the one that's

1:52:14

the most adaptable it's the one most flexible I just want to say that right so like and they and I agree with you

1:52:20

they always have like this mentality where it's you know and that's and that's what they're going to get by the

1:52:26

way for somebody who studies social media for a living you should always be immediately cautious of people who just

1:52:32

happen to rise out of nowhere okay amen like like like for like I mean I'm sure

1:52:38

that some people most people they like they have enough sense who are listening on this one to be a little suspicious of

1:52:43

people who just oh my gosh they just became the new thing and now we all need to talk about this person it's all done

1:52:50

for a reason right um so you know when you have all of these people who are you

1:52:55

should meet them with suspicion right I I think that that would is is is is the

1:53:01

The Prudent take to have this is is this somebody who understands how social media works I would be extremely

1:53:06

cautious so like the hawk to a girl you know that's a great example where did she come from she was the she was the

1:53:13

biggest thing in the world and then what happens she did a rug pull meme coin it's like why is this person successful

1:53:18

like okay sure you said a funny thing on the street one day fine right but then there was this moment where it

1:53:25

like okay now's about the time where it should die out and then it rocketed to like a podcast and all this different

1:53:30

stuff it's like is anyone like paying attention to how weird this is and how fake this is now feeling but so many

1:53:37

people are not critical enough of what they're seeing through their screens and because they believe everything that

1:53:43

they see is real that's why this is this is this we mentioned this it's like I

1:53:48

saw it on a screen it has to be real this is how this is how this is how the whole Co situation can

1:53:55

happen this is how you can convince people to when they see it on a screen they see it on that big TV it must be

1:54:01

real because I saw it on the TV right and so you have all of these people who

1:54:07

are seeing it on a screen on social media now and you know these other people saying that it's real of course

1:54:13

they believe it's real because they're just so conditioned and just believe whatever they see on their magic screen

1:54:18

you know oh wow this made me laugh see this is I just tell you this is how people really are it made like Hawk Tua

1:54:25

made me laugh I thought it was really funny and now because they laughed it's real okay and now because they they

1:54:31

connected a feeling to it the feeling is a conduit to making it rationalize it in their mind so now when it's like oh now

1:54:37

she has a podcast she'll make me laugh again oh she's so silly right you know so you have people who are like so like

1:54:44

how did these people become popular it's because they people actually think it's legitimate because they have emotional

1:54:51

connection to them you you'd be shocked at how people have like this is what I have like no emotional connections to

1:54:56

celebrities by the way most of these of course if like you met them in real life they would like be kind of disgusted

1:55:02

that you would even like worship them okay like let's be real okay it's true so I had like no emotional connection so

1:55:08

whenever I called out uh like last year I had a viral tweet right it was called Like Us Versus Them oh my like I almost

1:55:15

want to like pull the Tweet up because it was so big I called out like Taylor Swift this is one of my favorite tweet

1:55:22

tweets of all time because this one got

1:55:27

um five million views or something like that but no no no it only got 300 likes

1:55:34

okay oh it was like my most yeah five million views 300 likes okay well how

1:55:40

many comments Dino got ratioed yeah oh yeah and it's so hilarious

1:55:47

because it was just me speaking the truth and like people couldn't really handle this kind cognitive difference

1:55:53

them watching the Super Bowl getting drunk wearing a jersey with another man's name on it participating in a

1:55:58

satanic R ritual us going to mask wearing dress clothes praising God worshiping Jesus spending the day with

1:56:05

loved ones and family and at the end it goes which one are you choosing right that's the Tweet right and so this is

1:56:10

like my least like tweet of all time I it's one of my favorite tweets of all time because it instilled like it hit

1:56:16

them with such a cognitive dissonance and by the way I personally did this before the Super Bowl like hours before

1:56:23

like three hours before because can you share your screen by the way I want to can you share screen yeah but like you

1:56:29

can yeah you can you can see that um so actually wait hold up yeah I got too

1:56:36

much stuff going on here but you have the you have the you have that tweet right and so you you you the thing is

1:56:43

about why that tweet did so well is people see themselves inside the celebrity like they see themselves right

1:56:49

they see themselves in Travis Kel and Taylor Swift like they they they identify with

1:56:57

them which is so sad it's like you know why why would another man right or

1:57:05

anybody have any interest in any of these things like don't you have anything going on in your life that's more interesting like I

1:57:12

do and me going to church is more me going to church is more interesting than watching the Super Bowl that's right if

1:57:19

you don't have if you don't have anything interesting enough going on in your life so that what you're seeing on

1:57:25

your screen seduces you into being more engaged with other people's lives and

1:57:30

your own you're doing something wrong now I don't have a problem with watching sports or watching movies it's where it

1:57:36

becomes an obsession it's where people live out their lives vicariously through the performance of a sports team or an

1:57:43

athlete or an actor or musician that's the part where people give their their

1:57:49

sovereignty away to the lives of these other people who don't know them who are happy to take the attention take the

1:57:56

money take the engagement Etc in this parasitic way and that has to be broken

1:58:02

to get people engaged in their own lives right just and not not even spiritually

1:58:07

that is a that is a b huge part of it but also just like what do you have going on or not going on that you're so

1:58:14

invested in what's going on with Taylor Swift she's not you like you like what

1:58:20

what you have nothing that you're invested enough in to protect that you give your identity away to someone who's

1:58:27

nothing like you and will never meet you that celebrity infatuation is a very strange phenomenon very strange look it

1:58:35

happens in politics too like I don't mean to just say it's Sports and music you see it with politicians all the time

1:58:41

also right and this is one of the reasons why it's like they politicians can get away with whatever they want

1:58:47

okay that's right H it's because they just you know it's like the halo effect it's like oh well you know I like look I

1:58:54

voted for Trump okay I encourag people to do it as well but there are things

1:58:59

that I'm already like hey maybe we you should it's okay to question it's I don't question Trump because he is so

1:59:07

good that nobody should question him already you're falling like give me he's

1:59:12

not like do I don't see him regularly attending church and reading the Bible like if he was doing that maybe I'd give

1:59:17

him a little bit of slack right but he but perhaps like I don't see him with

1:59:23

like you know there are a lot of things that I agree with him with obviously for like three times okay so I'm not sitting

1:59:30

here saying like I don't think he's good but I'm saying that it's not okay to

1:59:36

just let politicians do whatever they want it's unhealthy it is unhealthy in

1:59:42

fact one of the reasons why I was telling Christians and you and I were doing this against all of the there were

1:59:47

other influencers that were like no they're going to sell out as soon as they get in and so and so and XYZ I said

1:59:54

no you need to vote for them show up embed yourself in the party and then when they do the first thing you need to do is call them out that's what you need

2:00:01

to do you don't run the other way you go right at it okay and one of the things

2:00:06

is that you're you're you're you're giving away your power right and we see a real spiritual battle going inside of

2:00:13

the Republican party right now right on Christmas Eve we had that whole thing that was going on or Christmas day you

2:00:18

know what I'm talking about the whole yeah the whole HB One Visa thing as soon as I saw that I put my glass of wine

2:00:25

down and I said let's go right so you know that's what you got like you need so but look at look at what happened

2:00:31

right there there was a big lesson right there was such a push back on that right there was such a push back that what's

2:00:37

his name the Vivic guy that guy I can't figure out why they even put him give him a platform Vivic is was immediately

2:00:46

like you're out okay oh and then we're going to rethink about this and we're going to talk about this we're going to change direction right because there was

2:00:53

such an immediate don't think don't blackpill don't think that you don't have influence don't think that you

2:00:59

don't have that's what they want you to think don't think that they're listen at the end of the day these are politicians

2:01:06

are very vain okay politicians care what people think about them and so if they

2:01:12

know that you care and that you have your opinion of them has greatly changed

2:01:17

or has lessened because of XYZ and then you're going to tell other people about it then they will ultimately care as

2:01:23

well because they care about themselves okay it's common sense so don't think

2:01:28

that you can't have a push back on all of these things in fact every single one of you who's listening should push back 10 10 times harder because the soul of

2:01:35

the Republican party is at stake during this during the next four years oh yeah which one is it gonna be who is going to

2:01:41

lead the Republican party if you don't show up it will be claimed by people don't you will not like the results okay

2:01:49

go ahead you know what's so interesting about that is I remember I think it was probably before the election or

2:01:55

immediately after it and there was all this talk about LGBT and and all this

2:02:00

different stuff going on in the party and that's been a big thing it's like it's a symptom of christless

2:02:06

conservatism what actually are our principles where our principles are where Society was at 20 years ago but of

2:02:13

course as time keeps rolling you know and things keep getting more liberal that if you keep rolling it back 20

2:02:18

years suddenly you find yourself like well you know transgender ISM in the Republican party is fine versus saying

2:02:24

well no we actually stand for a set of transcendent principles and that is the truly conservative position and it's

2:02:32

funny because I think since the election a lot of that crisis conservatism has

2:02:38

kind of evaporated or at least in the public eye it seems like there's been a much stronger push for much more rooted

2:02:45

values I do I do think some of that though you did see that with the hb1 visas I do think like a move was made

2:02:51

and it got shot down so quickly I do think

2:02:56

that that could actually be like a little bit of the trick itself like you're kind we're kind of seeing like

2:03:02

like you know what I'm trying to say here it's like oh now this and now squirel yeah now squirrel now talk about

2:03:09

this other XYZ this conspiracy theory that we're going to tell you to talk about right now so you have all of these

2:03:15

you know you could have like the left hand trying to distract listen just look this is why it's so important that you

2:03:21

bring as many people to church as possible this is why it's important that you get so many uh believing in Jesus

2:03:27

Christ and uh understanding the foundation of God and his morals okay because the more you want like I what

2:03:33

everybody right now here's an exercise imagine what our country would be like if 99.9% of people in the United States

2:03:40

believed in Jesus Christ and were Christian what kind of what kind of community would we have be pretty

2:03:47

amazing it would be pretty amazing wouldn't it it would be pretty amazing if 99.9% of

2:03:55

people attended church every Sunday what do you think are public schools would be

2:04:01

[Music] like what do you think our roads would look like do you think we would be declaring

2:04:08

war and having all of these Wars all around the world what do you think it would look like if the if if our country

2:04:14

truly believed in Jesus [Music] Christ right everybody that's people

2:04:22

can't imag that's the real Solution that's the real solution I'm just telling you that's the real solution

2:04:28

well and if they thought Covenant but I I see that that's part yeah exactly yeah if if

2:04:35

people thought more about their responsibilities and commitments to each other uh and and whether they wanted to

2:04:42

be part of that or not and I think the transactional mindset has extended so

2:04:47

far into society where people just think well what can I get out of this situation as opposed to what do I have

2:04:53

to give what are my Mutual obligations and not having the mutual obligations be defined by some obscure philosopher and

2:05:00

scripture tells us what our obligations are to each other and we have to be called to fulfill them and I think that

2:05:06

would make such an enormous difference versus you know I lived in San Francisco

2:05:11

for a while Anonymous faces walking around disconnected from each other's lives like you know face buried in their

2:05:18

franisco look like if it was 99% Christian it would be the beautiful city that it

2:05:23

thinks be San Francisco right it would be that Utopia that they try to portray the fake Utopia in like Star Trek you

2:05:30

know that's right like oh yeah San Fran you know San Francisco is the capital of like the Federation in start like it's

2:05:36

unbelievable right and you could just that's the result what it is right now is the result of a Godless Society okay

2:05:43

oh tell tell me about it and so what right so that's the real solution to our

2:05:50

problems right that's the real solution I agree I agree and I I wish

2:05:56

that I mean after having lived in the Bay Area for 20 years I wish that they would be more open to that but you know

2:06:02

one of the things I try to explain to people is as bad as you think San Francisco is it's worse it's far far

2:06:08

worse because they reject openly any sort of transcendent moral standard and

2:06:13

their City shows it it's it is so bad even when I lived there I left in 2016

2:06:20

even when I lived there there were still zombies walking around the street screaming at the sky even in the nice

2:06:27

parts of town I went back to visit in uh was November of 2019 just driving

2:06:34

through even one of the nicer neighborhoods seeing someone sitting by a park shooting up like oh look at that

2:06:39

over there and like I don't understand and I perhaps I never will how people

2:06:45

continue living in an environment like that they would they would rather choose to live in filth and squalor and

2:06:52

shoplifting and closed stores then admit like hey maybe we've got this wrong it's

2:06:58

it's baffling to me and of course San Francisco is not the only city That's That Way Berkeley is worse Los Angeles

2:07:03

many you know New York all probably all the major American cities are afflicted with this idea this Tower of Babel kind

2:07:10

of idea you know we will build a tower that reaches up to God nothing will be denied of us like well it's not exactly

2:07:17

how it works and it doesn't work and those you know those those projects get smashed and you know whether they get

2:07:24

smashed from with from the sky or whether they crumble under their own weight it's still what happens and I

2:07:30

think the ideas that we're talking about could actually present that but again

2:07:35

just to sort of tie it all together in a way how we go about talking about these ideas with the people who need to hear

2:07:41

them matters a whole lot because if we truly do want to see this change this change and the shift towards

2:07:47

righteousness how we go about the project of evangelism man that matters

2:07:52

man that matters so it's not done in a contentious combative way to people who are ultimately suffering because of

2:07:58

their own wrong beliefs right I'm with you will I think you just said everything so you said it so well buddy

2:08:06

and you know you have so many people who are just like that's I it's pretty wild man it's wild

2:08:13

yeah it is wild well this has been a fantastic conversation as usual I love

2:08:19

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right now right now I have I have 30 30,000 30,300 400 yeah yeah yeah so I do

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really important what the way that we present ourselves on social media it has a lasting impact to other people all

2:12:47

right so hey man thanks for having me on I really appreciate it brother very grateful and blessed to be in this fight

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with you brother thanks so much for being on thank you brother God bless God bless