Katie Faust is the founder and president of Them Before Us , a global movement defending children's right to their mother and father. In this conversation she reveals her bold plan to overturn gay marriage through the courts by focusing on children's rights rather than adult perspectives. The episode explores how marriage redefinition has created a legal framework that commodifies children through surrogacy, IVF, and intent-based parenthood. Katie also discusses her controversial "one tool" for evaluating family decisions and her surprising work as a Christian matchmaker.

Key takeaways

• Either adults do the hard thing or children do the hard thing in every family situation

• Gay marriage legally weakened every parent’s claim to their own biological children

• No-fault divorce was the original redefinition of marriage that prioritized adult happiness over children

• IVF and surrogacy create mass production and commodification of children through intent-based parenthood

• Natural rights exist pre-government, require no provision, and everyone gets equal measure

• Christians historically protected children first, then dealt with adult comfort second